Neil deGrasse Tyson | Your Personal Astrophysicist

Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: He came up to me and says you know, I came

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: into some money recently.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you, you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, fund a pilot for Cosmos so we can

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: show people what it's gonna look like?

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Alright, here we go Back again.

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Marc Preston: Story and Craft.

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Marc Preston: How are you?

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Marc Preston: I'm, Marc, Pleasure to have you here.

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Marc Preston: If you're coming back, another episode.

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Marc Preston: Thank you for stopping by this episode.

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Marc Preston: Neil deGrasse Tyson he doesn't need an

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Marc Preston: introduction.

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Marc Preston: I mean, who doesn't know Neil deGrasse

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Marc Preston: Tyson?

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Marc Preston: Astrophysicist from the Hayden Planetarium

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Marc Preston: and just a real cool personality.

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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed this chat.

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Marc Preston: We discussed a lot of things.

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Marc Preston: Of course, his new book, Welcome to the

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Marc Preston: Universe in 3D, a visual tour, Kind of an

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Marc Preston: interactive book.

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Marc Preston: We'll discuss that also.

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Marc Preston: Just generally, his origin story.

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Marc Preston: What kind of sci-fi movies he enjoys.

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Marc Preston: Which ones does he think are on point and

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Marc Preston: accurate scientifically speaking?

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Marc Preston: And of course, we're going to discuss Carl

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Marc Preston: Sagan and the chance meeting he had with

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Marc Preston: Seth McFarlane that brought Cosmos back to

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Marc Preston: TV.

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Marc Preston: mischief that I am stirring up twice a week

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Marc Preston: now.

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Marc Preston: Don't forget Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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Marc Preston: Let's get right after it.

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Marc Preston: It is Neil DeGrasse Tyson Day right here on

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Marc Preston: Story and Craft.

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Marc Preston: Well, Dr Tyson, thank you for taking time

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Marc Preston: out.

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Marc Preston: And Neil, please, I got to be honest, I did

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Marc Preston: very little prep for this because I'm like

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Marc Preston: I don't want this to be an interrogation.

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Marc Preston: I'm going okay, Marc, you can ask a

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Marc Preston: gazillion questions you really want the

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Marc Preston: answers to and it was really funny my

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Marc Preston: daughter, Emma, my 16-year-old.

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Marc Preston: We were talking.

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Marc Preston: I was like you know, I got some interviews.

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Marc Preston: I got to talk to actors, directors, Like,

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Marc Preston: do you think I should talk to you?

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Marc Preston: She grew up as well as my other two kids on

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Marc Preston: Cosmos.

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Announcer: She's like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

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Marc Preston: I was like, obviously, so here we are.

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Marc Preston: So my 16-year-old executive producer just

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Marc Preston: arranged, but congratulations on the new

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Marc Preston: book.

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Marc Preston: What a cool idea for a book though 3D

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Marc Preston: visual tour.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, it was a little bit audacious because

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in the world of very high production value,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: visualizations in movies and TV and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: immersive video games, so to have like this

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: thing, which is kind of a retro technology,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: it's two images merged into one in your

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: brain with the help of this viewer.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But people don't do this with cosmic

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: objects, right, and we did it with cosmic

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: objects.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the moon pops and the moon goes from

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: being a picture of the moon to being a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: place called the moon that is there in

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: front of you and it becomes more real and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: visceral and you end up feeling the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe in addition to thinking about it,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and I think that's its value.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just, welcome to the universe in 3D.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, the, as I said on the on that

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: show, we decided kind of at the last minute

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that I would narrate every caption and load

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that up to bonus content in the Welcome to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Universenet web page and in that bonus

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: content as you go through one picture at

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the next, and then I use my planetarium

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: voice to narrate each caption.

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Marc Preston: That brings up a really interesting point.

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Marc Preston: My my kids are like is he always like that

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Marc Preston: in interviews?

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Marc Preston: Like, is there so used to you on Cosmos

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Marc Preston: being this wonderful narrator, this tour

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Marc Preston: guide, is it worth?

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Marc Preston: I was like no, I love his enthusiasm and

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Marc Preston: I'm like that's, that's Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Marc Preston: that I've grown to love.

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Marc Preston: And they're like wow, that's kind of cool.

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Marc Preston: You see, you're still kind of a kid?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, I mean Cosmos.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's so much that had to come together

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to make that work.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We thought of possibly filming it, just me

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ad-libbing all the content.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the timing of everything had to fit.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: With the animations, with the, with the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: special effects, with the, with the, the,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the, the, the narrations, above other

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: storytelling, all that was this huge puzzle

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that had to fit together.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So every word had to fit the timing

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: perfectly, and so that's that's what we did.

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Marc Preston: It reminded me of something a seven, maybe

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Marc Preston: eight years old, somewhere between six and

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Marc Preston: eight, we'll call it that, and of course,

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Marc Preston: at that point in time we're the same age,

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Marc Preston: probably.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I'm thinking I'll remember.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Whatever, if it's a social-cultural thing,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd be right in the middle of that.

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Marc Preston: Well, it was actually just kind of a

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Marc Preston: personal thing, because you're young, you

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Marc Preston: see the sun, you see the moon, you know

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Marc Preston: it's just there.

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Marc Preston: And I remember my parents got me a hardback

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Marc Preston: book.

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Marc Preston: It was about Ye Big.

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Marc Preston: It was a big, big glossy cover and it's a

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Marc Preston: big picture book.

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Marc Preston: It wasn't kind of cartoony illustrations

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Marc Preston: but of the universe, and I remember it was

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Marc Preston: the very first time I had a sense and it's

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Marc Preston: almost an intimidating way of the bigness

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Marc Preston: of the universe.

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Marc Preston: It was the first time I was exposed to that,

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Marc Preston: but at the same time I became deeply

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Marc Preston: intrigued by it, you know.

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Marc Preston: So to the point that I've still never

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Marc Preston: gotten a telescope.

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Marc Preston: That's been something that's been on my

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Marc Preston: agenda since I was six.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No excuse there, but I can tell you my

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: version of that was I realized just how big

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Earth was all right, the fact that you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had to get into an airplane and fly for

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: hours at hundreds of miles an hour just to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: To me Earth was huge.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then to realize that Earth is small

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: compared to the universe, I was already

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: getting my huge mojo going there, you know,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: trying to contemplate things much larger

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: than your backyard.

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Marc Preston: You know another thing?

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Marc Preston: I did, do a little bit of research, Found

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Marc Preston: out you went to UT I'm a native Texan and I

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Marc Preston: was like wait, you're a longhorn, let's

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Marc Preston: complete the origin story.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I was born and raised in New York City,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: attended the public schools all throughout

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the K through 12.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: My high school, however, was the Bronx High

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: School of Science.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was born and raised in the Bronx.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That high school boasts eight Nobel

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: laureates among its graduates, so it's

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: quite the place for stimulating creative

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There I went on to major in physics at

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Harvard and then afterwards went to the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: University of Texas at Austin and got two

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: master's degrees.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: From there I went to Columbia University

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: for my PhD in astrophysics and from there

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then I was called a postdoc, which is what

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you do after your PhD.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You spend a few years in sort of free

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: research, unfettered research.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I postdoc at Princeton University so that's

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: probably how that showed up in your tally

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and from there I was courted by the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: American Museum of Natural History, who

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: wanted to do something about the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: planetarium, which was growing long of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: tooth, and so I helped them rethink and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: reimagine the new place, got in some very

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: creative architects, exhibit designers, and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then I became director of that facility,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was the first place I'd ever seen a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dark sky was the Hayden Planetarium.

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Marc Preston: It begs the question of were you wanting to

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Marc Preston: do this at a young age, or is that

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Marc Preston: something your parents like?

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Marc Preston: Let's get him to this school.

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Marc Preston: He's a smart guy.

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Marc Preston: Let's see where this takes us.

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Marc Preston: Or was that more something?

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Marc Preston: Was that a path that you kind of initiated,

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Marc Preston: you know, like you wanted to go to this

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Marc Preston: school.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So my parents would never put things ahead

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of us to try to attract us into one path of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: interest or another.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Instead, what they did was expose us to all

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: manner of things that talented adults do.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Every weekend, my brother, my sister and I

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: went as family with my parents to some

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: other place in the city.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That was at the Art Museum, the Aquarium,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the Science Museum, the Natural History

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Museum, the Planetarium, even sporting

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: events was it hockey, basketball, football,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the ice capades.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: These are all grown-ups with high-level

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: talent, doing things beyond just if you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to be a doctoral lawyer when you grow

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: up.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: These books were my window to the vast

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then I would take many more visits to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And among that were educators and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and when I ever became an educator I wanted

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You couldn't help but smile as you listened

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they know Without realizing that they spent

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I didn't have.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But so you want to think of role models?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A mind were assembled a la carte and I

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think that's a flaw in the role model

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The role models I want to be you.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, you want to be.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to have their expertise or you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to have this thing about them.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do you want to actually be them?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, you are an individual.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Stay that way.

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Marc Preston: That's how I've always felt you kind of

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Marc Preston: translated the knowledge, the experience

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Marc Preston: You know, start talk.

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Marc Preston: How did you decide it's like, okay, you

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Marc Preston: you're doing your thing.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, no, I just enjoy knowing the universe

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, as Carl Sagan once said famously,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so I, you know I'd be on an airplane

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and some.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So what do you do?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I do astrophysics.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, tell me about black holes and quasars

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and the big bang in God.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And you know all these questions.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I would monitor their eyebrows, right,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and I would monitor their eyebrows like up

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I would hone future conversations with

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I would do this.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then, you know, the press asked me a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the best friend of everybody who wants a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that if I had declined these overtures, I

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and here, in my chosen field, who am I to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's really how that unfolded.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, I really like that quote.

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Marc Preston: If you're in love, you want to tell the

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Marc Preston: I've got to remember that one.

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Marc Preston: I love that.

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Marc Preston: One of the things that I'm curious about is

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Marc Preston: You look at the Egyptians or you look at

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Marc Preston: Fast forward to now.

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Marc Preston: Do you think there are things that we are

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Marc Preston: previously, and that information is just

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think there is certainly cultural

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: There is certainly information, regional

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: civilizations came and went and are just

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So something died with them and you kind of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know what that is.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But to wonder whether they somehow had

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: that is not a feasible suggestion.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That is not plausible Only because I'm not

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: because I want it to be true, but it

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sensibly stated as fact, because it's a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: very likely fact, because so much of what

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: we do know about the world was only enabled

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: particle accelerator, space travel, space

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: probes.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ancients had none of this.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They only had their five senses, which are

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: At best, Science and technology,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: replace our five senses with machines that

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: could do it better and faster and more

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: accurately and more reliably.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, there's not a bit of science that

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm imagining was known by the ancients and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the lost, and we're still going to have to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discover it one day.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't think that for a minute.

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Marc Preston: Well, very good, well, that kind of tethers

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Marc Preston: together.

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Marc Preston: The second part of the question is I'm

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Marc Preston: trying to figure out a way to ask you

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Marc Preston: without sounding at all political, because

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Marc Preston: it's not, but you can sound political, I

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Marc Preston: don't care.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: We live in a world that has politics right,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: so let's not stand a denial of that.

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Marc Preston: Well, in the US, depending on the century,

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Marc Preston: the idea of anti-intellectualism.

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Marc Preston: You're a scientist, Like you said.

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Marc Preston: Over the course of hundreds of millennia

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Marc Preston: we've come up with a scientific method.

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Marc Preston: What do you think about generally

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Marc Preston: anti-intellectualism?

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Marc Preston: Do you think there is an aspect of that in

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Marc Preston: our culture that kind of holds us back from

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Marc Preston: where we could be?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, anything, if we recognize science and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: technology as the engines of progress,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: however we might define that and we could

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: debate even that.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But let's assume progress in civilization

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: is something that's in the interest of your

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health and longevity and harmony with the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what civilization has done enabled,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: empowered by the methods and tools of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, especially since the Industrial

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Revolution has greatly enhanced human

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: health, wealth and well-being.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if anyone wants to stand against the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: intellectual foundations that bring these

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries to civilization that, by the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: way, in a free society, sure go ahead and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: do that.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you rise to power and then you have

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: the power to legislate anti-intellectualism,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: then that's a regressive force on

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: civilization and you will delay future

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: discoveries on what would happen.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, you can ask why would someone

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: like that even arise in the modern world?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I don't remember there being much

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectualism in the 1960s, for

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: example, when we were going to the moon.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I can tell you this that I know a lot

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of people who are intellectuals and they

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have like a disdain for those who are not,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and that's not good.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That can't end well.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's because intellectuals are

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: outnumbered by non-intellectuals, so that's

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: not going to end well.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you're an intellectual and you can't

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a conversation with someone without

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: having them feel inferior to you, then you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: should just shut the fuck up, okay, go back

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to the lab and get out of the public.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Pardon my language.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm just saying that you're.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The attitude that so many people have who

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: would count as intellectuals is

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: counterproductive if you want people to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: embrace what it is intellectuals do.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The very title of intellectual carries a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: value judgment, and so when I give public

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: talks, well, we introduce you.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, don't just say you're personal

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: astrophysicists.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your degrees?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't even put the degrees.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about your PhD?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't that's irrelevant.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know why it's irrelevant?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because if you need to know what degree I

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have to decide whether you're going to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: listen to what I say, then my arguments

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can't really be that compelling.

555

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The burden is on me to be compelling to you,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: without regard to status, educational or

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: otherwise.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's how I think about this.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I think the intellectuals are half to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: blame for the intellectual, the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anti-intellectual climate that we've seen

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in recent decades.

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Marc Preston: You had a wonderful quote.

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Marc Preston: I found this somewhere.

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Marc Preston: Don't even ask me where, because I don't

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Marc Preston: remember.

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Marc Preston: But if I'm misquoting you please let me

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Marc Preston: know.

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Marc Preston: But I love this.

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Marc Preston: You said the problem in society is not kids

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Marc Preston: not knowing science, the problem is adults

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Marc Preston: not knowing science.

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Marc Preston: They outnumber kids five to one, they wield

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Marc Preston: power, they write your legislation.

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Marc Preston: When you have scientifically literate

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Marc Preston: adults, you have—I'm sorry—when you have

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Marc Preston: scientifically illiterate adults—I need a

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Marc Preston: better glasses here—you have undermined the

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Marc Preston: very fabric of what makes a nation wealthy

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Marc Preston: and strong.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: For context, that came off of a question.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've said that multiple ways and different

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: ways, but often it comes off of the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: question what do we need to do to get our

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: kids interested in science?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said kids are born curious about the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're born scientists.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not worried about the kids, I'm worried

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: about the scientifically illiterate adults.

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Marc Preston: And then it leads into that entire set of

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Marc Preston: sentences that you accurately conveyed,

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Marc Preston: like coming out with this book again—let me

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Marc Preston: go and make sure I say a title—Welcome to

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Marc Preston: the Universe and 3D Visual Tour being

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Marc Preston: turned on by what's out.

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Marc Preston: There is such an easy thing.

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Marc Preston: It's infinite curiosity, there's infinite

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Marc Preston: bigness, you know.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got good material.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The Universe is good material.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, by the way, that book is one in a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: series of four books.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't know if I said it at the beginning.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Welcome to the Universenet.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That website has all four books, the most

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: recent one in 3D and that's the one that

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: has my narration of the captions.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But that entire series is an attempt to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: make the Universe accessible to you in many

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: different formats, because not everyone

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: receives knowledge in the same way.

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Marc Preston: When I was younger I remember watching the

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Marc Preston: movie the Right Stuff.

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Marc Preston: That era of space travel and that

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Marc Preston: excitement—you know about the 60s that

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Marc Preston: predated me a little bit, you know to where.

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Marc Preston: I wasn't as aware of it, but I was really

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Marc Preston: loved that movie.

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Marc Preston: It brought me to NASA.

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Marc Preston: I was always intrigued by NASA.

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Marc Preston: Now we're living in an era where you've got

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Marc Preston: private industry getting involved more

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Marc Preston: directly.

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Marc Preston: What are your thoughts about that kind of

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Marc Preston: mix?

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Marc Preston: How much should NASA be doing?

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Marc Preston: Our billionaires are getting involved.

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Marc Preston: Should NASA always be leading the charge,

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Marc Preston: you think, or do you think that private

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Marc Preston: industry really is going that direction?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a simple answer, actually.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you want NASA to do things that have

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Private Enterprise has no business model to

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: justify doing things that have never been

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: done before.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If that thing that has never been done

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: before is expensive and dangerous and has

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: no obvious return on the investment, then

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they just simply won't do it.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But you could do it as a vanity project,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Bezos and Branson can get together and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: say let's put humans on Mars.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: They could do that, they have enough money

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do that.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But the shareholders, in whatever pocket of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: money that's coming from, would definitely

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: object because there's no return on that

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: investment.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: A nation can do that, because a nation has

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: geopolitical reasons for doing things and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a much longer time horizon for a

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: return on their investment.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: In fact, they might not even need a return

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on their investment.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The return might just be soft power

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: projected around the world.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be economic power, it could be

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It could be an actual literal enemy, as we

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: had in the Cold War.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you need NASA to do things that have

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: never been done before and then, once you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: can characterize the cost, the risks, the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: benefits, then Private Enterprise comes and

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: does it.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was just so surprised when Elon Musk had

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: a ship to cargo resupply to the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: International Space Station and the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: headline was new era in space, the Private

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise taking over the thing they're

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: doing, what NASA's been doing for 30 years.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So yeah, let Private Enterprise do the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: routine things and with proper business

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: models they could probably do it more

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: cheaply and more efficiently and grow the

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: industry.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the mix is very simple If it's never

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: been done before, you let NASA do it.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Once NASA figures out how to do it, private

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Enterprise comes in see if they can make it

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: work.

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Marc Preston: You mentioned the moon and Mars.

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Marc Preston: I don't know why, I don't know this, but is

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Marc Preston: there any kind of set like, ok, we're going

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Marc Preston: to go to moon, the Mars, beyond that, I

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Marc Preston: don't know what.

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Marc Preston: Is there a plan?

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Marc Preston: Is there a discussion?

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Marc Preston: For where are we going?

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Marc Preston: What's the objective once we do get the

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Marc Preston: Mars?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, you're thinking linearly, as are most

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: people, so I'm not accusing you of that.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm highlighting that fact.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If, instead, you think in terms of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: capability rather than sequences of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: destinations, imagine a future where we

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: have a warehouse of launch vessels of all

702

00:26:40,441 --> 00:26:42,625

Neil deGrasse Tyson: combinations, and you tell me what you want

703

00:26:42,645 --> 00:26:42,785

Neil deGrasse Tyson: to do.

704

00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:47,301

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to look for life in the craters of

705

00:26:47,341 --> 00:26:47,622

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Mars.

706

00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:49,195

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, that's this combination of rockets

707

00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:50,994

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and it's a science mission.

708

00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:52,894

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you get funding for that from the

709

00:26:52,935 --> 00:26:54,559

Neil deGrasse Tyson: National Science Foundation or from NASA,

710

00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:56,214

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and then you go look for life on Mars.

711

00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:00,455

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You want to set up an amusement park on the

712

00:27:00,515 --> 00:27:04,983

Neil deGrasse Tyson: moon where all the rides are in 1-6th G.

713

00:27:05,744 --> 00:27:06,913

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would be kind of fun.

714

00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:10,097

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's this set of things.

715

00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:13,233

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And now you need habitat modules and you

716

00:27:13,393 --> 00:27:18,043

Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to mine an asteroid for its natural

717

00:27:18,103 --> 00:27:21,190

Neil deGrasse Tyson: resources and the rare earth elements that

718

00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:23,317

Neil deGrasse Tyson: are common on an asteroid, even if they're

719

00:27:23,377 --> 00:27:24,019

Neil deGrasse Tyson: rare on Earth.

720

00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:27,179

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's this combination of launch vehicles.

721

00:27:28,031 --> 00:27:31,057

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to sell water to everyone else

722

00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:33,202

Neil deGrasse Tyson: who is in space without having to bring it

723

00:27:33,242 --> 00:27:33,643

Neil deGrasse Tyson: from Earth.

724

00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:35,335

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you're going to lasso a comet.

725

00:27:36,051 --> 00:27:37,517

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, let's go ahead and do that.

726

00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:40,135

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Put the ices sell liters of water to

727

00:27:40,215 --> 00:27:41,919

Neil deGrasse Tyson: whoever needs it in orbit.

728

00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:42,921

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.

729

00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:44,634

Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an asteroid headed our way.

730

00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:46,876

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We need somebody to deflect it.

731

00:27:47,612 --> 00:27:49,575

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh my gosh, maybe the military is involved.

732

00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:52,617

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a different set of vehicles, a

733

00:27:52,677 --> 00:27:54,421

Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of launch parameters, a

734

00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:57,036

Neil deGrasse Tyson: different set of tools necessary once you

735

00:27:57,117 --> 00:27:57,939

Neil deGrasse Tyson: arrive there.

736

00:27:58,711 --> 00:28:01,496

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you want to beam energy from the sun

737

00:28:01,637 --> 00:28:04,402

Neil deGrasse Tyson: back to Earth from a special Lagrangian

738

00:28:04,442 --> 00:28:06,454

Neil deGrasse Tyson: point, that's, you're going to build that

739

00:28:06,514 --> 00:28:07,276

Neil deGrasse Tyson: in free space.

740

00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:09,936

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not on the surface of anything.

741

00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:11,535

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a whole other task.

742

00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:13,034

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You add all this up.

743

00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:16,176

Neil deGrasse Tyson: These are capabilities brought to you by a

744

00:28:16,276 --> 00:28:17,680

Neil deGrasse Tyson: warehouse of launch vehicles.

745

00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:21,196

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what I imagine the future of our

746

00:28:22,499 --> 00:28:23,882

Neil deGrasse Tyson: relationship to space will be.

747

00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,700

Marc Preston: Yeah, it's kind of sort of like, instead of

748

00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,069

Marc Preston: just like a lab, we kind of look at our

749

00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:29,794

Marc Preston: solar systems as one just big lab kind of A

750

00:28:29,814 --> 00:28:31,525

Marc Preston: backyard, I wouldn't have to say lab.

751

00:28:31,545 --> 00:28:32,595

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you might want to just joyride.

752

00:28:32,896 --> 00:28:34,081

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not a lab, you know.

753

00:28:34,737 --> 00:28:35,439

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You don't have to think of this

754

00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,102

Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically.

755

00:28:36,162 --> 00:28:38,162

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If it can make a buck, I'm all down with

756

00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:40,455

Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to that amusement park on moon.

757

00:28:40,535 --> 00:28:42,280

Marc Preston: That actually, it seems like you know you

758

00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,042

Marc Preston: get Disney enough.

759

00:28:43,062 --> 00:28:44,747

Marc Preston: You know Disney, I got a couple bucks.

760

00:28:44,775 --> 00:28:45,981

Marc Preston: They'll figure it out one way or another.

761

00:28:46,276 --> 00:28:48,098

Marc Preston: Yeah, exactly Exactly when you were talking

762

00:28:48,118 --> 00:28:48,258

Marc Preston: about.

763

00:28:48,278 --> 00:28:48,901

Marc Preston: That reminds me.

764

00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:50,538

Marc Preston: I don't know if you ever have seen the TV

765

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Marc Preston: show the Expanse.

766

00:28:51,955 --> 00:28:52,798

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's on my list.

767

00:28:52,858 --> 00:28:54,724

Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, in the next month I'm going to

768

00:28:54,764 --> 00:28:56,283

Neil deGrasse Tyson: binge and I probably get.

769

00:28:56,586 --> 00:28:57,515

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I expect to get through all of them.

770

00:28:57,575 --> 00:28:59,547

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I know that several years of them but it's

771

00:28:59,587 --> 00:29:01,140

Neil deGrasse Tyson: on my list, it's not going to spoil it for

772

00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,521

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you at all.

773

00:29:01,635 --> 00:29:03,540

Marc Preston: I just think it's the most eloquent blend

774

00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:06,607

Marc Preston: of science, sociology, psychology.

775

00:29:06,755 --> 00:29:07,979

Marc Preston: I mean it's you know.

776

00:29:07,999 --> 00:29:09,564

Marc Preston: You look at it like what if I was talking

777

00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:10,738

Marc Preston: with my kids the other day about it?

778

00:29:11,336 --> 00:29:12,922

Marc Preston: What if we put humans on Mars?

779

00:29:13,435 --> 00:29:14,681

Marc Preston: Hopefully, I mean it's going to happen one

780

00:29:14,701 --> 00:29:14,861

Marc Preston: day.

781

00:29:15,375 --> 00:29:16,820

Marc Preston: But let's say they're there a few decades,

782

00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,205

Marc Preston: 100 years, I'll say a generation.

783

00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,114

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But, by the way, they said that in 1969.

784

00:29:20,415 --> 00:29:22,254

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We'll have people on Mars by 1985.

785

00:29:24,038 --> 00:29:25,682

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you have to ask yourself what is

786

00:29:25,762 --> 00:29:28,208

Neil deGrasse Tyson: motivating you to presume that to be true.

787

00:29:28,837 --> 00:29:31,345

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And once you do that analysis, don't be so

788

00:29:31,445 --> 00:29:32,850

Neil deGrasse Tyson: certain that we'll just have people

789

00:29:33,291 --> 00:29:33,973

Neil deGrasse Tyson: frolicking on Mars.

790

00:29:33,993 --> 00:29:34,495

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just don't be so certain.

791

00:29:34,938 --> 00:29:36,772

Marc Preston: I'm trying to be infinitely optimistic and

792

00:29:36,812 --> 00:29:38,646

Marc Preston: just hoping one day I'll say I'll hope one

793

00:29:38,686 --> 00:29:39,553

Marc Preston: day we actually get the better.

794

00:29:39,573 --> 00:29:39,835

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's better.

795

00:29:40,357 --> 00:29:41,743

Marc Preston: That's the more accurate thing to go.

796

00:29:42,776 --> 00:29:46,706

Marc Preston: Let's say we land there decades or a

797

00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:47,568

Marc Preston: generation or two.

798

00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,931

Marc Preston: I'm fascinated by the sociology, the

799

00:29:50,972 --> 00:29:51,515

Marc Preston: psychology of it.

800

00:29:52,086 --> 00:29:54,732

Marc Preston: We're there, but what's their connection to

801

00:29:54,772 --> 00:29:55,761

Marc Preston: generations down Like?

802

00:29:55,862 --> 00:29:57,075

Marc Preston: Do they consider themselves Martians?

803

00:29:57,541 --> 00:29:58,515

Marc Preston: If you're born on Mars, you're a Martian.

804

00:29:59,017 --> 00:30:00,704

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You'd have to ask what is your citizenship?

805

00:30:01,497 --> 00:30:02,683

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do you have a citizenship?

806

00:30:03,377 --> 00:30:04,904

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is it a Mars government?

807

00:30:05,718 --> 00:30:08,269

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you know, if it's not Earth government

808

00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:09,574

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and someone kills somebody else, is it

809

00:30:09,594 --> 00:30:09,715

Neil deGrasse Tyson: murder?

810

00:30:10,236 --> 00:30:13,044

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If there are no laws that say it's murder

811

00:30:13,204 --> 00:30:14,528

Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Mars, is it a Wild West?

812

00:30:15,244 --> 00:30:16,035

Neil deGrasse Tyson: These all need to be resolved.

813

00:30:16,517 --> 00:30:17,723

Neil deGrasse Tyson: By the way, I love the.

814

00:30:17,924 --> 00:30:19,531

Marc Preston: it was one of those things I put off and I

815

00:30:19,611 --> 00:30:20,395

Marc Preston: finally started binging it.

816

00:30:21,242 --> 00:30:22,235

Marc Preston: I thought it was so well done.

817

00:30:22,417 --> 00:30:26,062

Marc Preston: I'm kind of a nerd, so I it satisfied that

818

00:30:26,102 --> 00:30:27,877

Marc Preston: side as well as me being an actor, I can

819

00:30:27,917 --> 00:30:29,040

Marc Preston: confess being a nerd.

820

00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:30,505

Marc Preston: Be where it proudly.

821

00:30:31,675 --> 00:30:33,540

Marc Preston: But the thing I'm curious about is what

822

00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,948

Marc Preston: sci-fi show, movie, what do you think has

823

00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,243

Marc Preston: gotten it pretty right in terms of the

824

00:30:39,343 --> 00:30:39,784

Marc Preston: science?

825

00:30:40,216 --> 00:30:41,681

Marc Preston: What has come out of Hollywood do you think

826

00:30:41,721 --> 00:30:42,444

Marc Preston: has been on point?

827

00:30:42,755 --> 00:30:44,737

Marc Preston: Who's gotten the science right so?

828

00:30:44,937 --> 00:30:45,681

Neil deGrasse Tyson: definitely the Martian.

829

00:30:47,617 --> 00:30:49,624

Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, there's almost no contest there.

830

00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:54,100

Neil deGrasse Tyson: The author was an engineer, I mean Andy

831

00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:54,400

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Weir.

832

00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,306

Neil deGrasse Tyson: He's an engineer and he thought long and

833

00:30:57,366 --> 00:31:00,039

Neil deGrasse Tyson: deep and hard about how to keep Marc Watney

834

00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:03,857

Neil deGrasse Tyson: alive for two years on Mars, the, the, the

835

00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:06,324

Neil deGrasse Tyson: botany, the engineering, the astrophysics,

836

00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,760

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the mathematics, the all of this.

837

00:31:09,575 --> 00:31:11,821

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And for me that film, which had Marc he

838

00:31:12,383 --> 00:31:15,016

Neil deGrasse Tyson: director and Marc he actors in it, was the

839

00:31:15,096 --> 00:31:18,624

Neil deGrasse Tyson: first of its kind, in that science itself

840

00:31:18,725 --> 00:31:20,028

Neil deGrasse Tyson: was a character in the film.

841

00:31:20,659 --> 00:31:22,071

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You wanted to know what the science was

842

00:31:22,091 --> 00:31:25,486

Neil deGrasse Tyson: going to do next, more than you cared about

843

00:31:25,948 --> 00:31:26,089

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the.

844

00:31:26,109 --> 00:31:27,174

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know the you know every one of these

845

00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:27,838

Neil deGrasse Tyson: space movies has.

846

00:31:27,878 --> 00:31:29,488

Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's the astronaut in there and there's

847

00:31:29,508 --> 00:31:32,028

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they have a newborn back on earth and

848

00:31:32,048 --> 00:31:34,787

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're touching the video screen and look

849

00:31:34,828 --> 00:31:36,078

Neil deGrasse Tyson: at your new, your new daughter, and I'll

850

00:31:36,098 --> 00:31:37,115

Neil deGrasse Tyson: think could you hurry that up please?

851

00:31:37,236 --> 00:31:38,549

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I want to know if Marc Watney is going to

852

00:31:38,589 --> 00:31:39,155

Neil deGrasse Tyson: live another day.

853

00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:44,232

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, other than one scientific flaw, which

854

00:31:44,252 --> 00:31:45,437

Neil deGrasse Tyson: was necessary, otherwise that was not a

855

00:31:45,457 --> 00:31:47,553

Neil deGrasse Tyson: story the rest was just brilliantly done.

856

00:31:49,521 --> 00:31:52,753

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another one is deep impact, very good

857

00:31:52,773 --> 00:31:56,149

Neil deGrasse Tyson: asteroid science, in fact, excellent

858

00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:56,754

Neil deGrasse Tyson: science, asteroid science.

859

00:31:58,681 --> 00:32:01,029

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And another one very close in time to that

860

00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:02,334

Neil deGrasse Tyson: one was contact, based on the Carl Sagan

861

00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:02,495

Neil deGrasse Tyson: novel.

862

00:32:02,975 --> 00:32:04,133

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That doesn't take place in the future.

863

00:32:06,004 --> 00:32:07,190

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's in the present, but it's an

864

00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:08,956

Neil deGrasse Tyson: exploration of how we might all respond to

865

00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:10,709

Neil deGrasse Tyson: such a discovery if it happened in our

866

00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:14,033

Neil deGrasse Tyson: times and not all of it is pretty.

867

00:32:16,442 --> 00:32:19,952

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think Carl was very honest with ourselves

868

00:32:19,972 --> 00:32:20,835

Neil deGrasse Tyson: about how we would treat that information

869

00:32:20,835 --> 00:32:22,264

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and the sociology of and they had the you

870

00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:26,284

Neil deGrasse Tyson: know, of course, matthew McConaughey, you

871

00:32:26,304 --> 00:32:27,770

Neil deGrasse Tyson: have something, somebody theological, you

872

00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:28,071

Neil deGrasse Tyson: got science.

873

00:32:28,091 --> 00:32:29,267

Marc Preston: You have, you know, money involved, and I

874

00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,454

Marc Preston: love movies that have you asking questions

875

00:32:31,546 --> 00:32:33,041

Marc Preston: afterwards, you know, and have you

876

00:32:33,061 --> 00:32:34,135

Marc Preston: contemplating things you didn't before.

877

00:32:34,155 --> 00:32:35,834

Marc Preston: Well, that way they get you to see it twice.

878

00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:37,509

Marc Preston: You see, and then you get they get twice

879

00:32:37,529 --> 00:32:37,955

Marc Preston: the revenue.

880

00:32:38,757 --> 00:32:39,441

Neil deGrasse Tyson: What I love, having kids.

881

00:32:39,562 --> 00:32:40,045

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I got three teenagers.

882

00:32:40,065 --> 00:32:43,362

Marc Preston: I can go back to this whole bank of like

883

00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:44,808

Marc Preston: movies and I'm like you must watch this

884

00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:45,632

Marc Preston: movie.

885

00:32:45,692 --> 00:32:46,054

Marc Preston: It's so good.

886

00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:47,964

Marc Preston: I'm realizing all these movies came out

887

00:32:47,984 --> 00:32:49,639

Marc Preston: they still haven't seen but interstellar.

888

00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:50,704

Marc Preston: I remember taking my oldest, who's now 19,

889

00:32:50,724 --> 00:32:53,600

Marc Preston: to go see that and because of some level

890

00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:56,213

Marc Preston: that was to me it's kind of a daddy

891

00:32:56,273 --> 00:32:56,635

Marc Preston: daughter movie.

892

00:32:56,635 --> 00:32:57,861

Marc Preston: At some level there was a storyline in

893

00:32:57,882 --> 00:33:00,717

Marc Preston: there, but it really was intriguing the way

894

00:33:00,737 --> 00:33:02,268

Marc Preston: they address black holes.

895

00:33:02,288 --> 00:33:03,135

Marc Preston: Which brings me to the question.

896

00:33:06,064 --> 00:33:08,211

Marc Preston: The idea that black holes destroy data and

897

00:33:08,231 --> 00:33:09,255

Marc Preston: information is one thing.

898

00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:11,903

Marc Preston: That information is one theory and then

899

00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:12,605

Marc Preston: there's no other theory.

900

00:33:12,675 --> 00:33:14,495

Marc Preston: It's like no, it's just it still exists, it

901

00:33:14,576 --> 00:33:16,162

Marc Preston: just goes somewhere.

902

00:33:16,435 --> 00:33:18,821

Marc Preston: What is the current theory on what?

903

00:33:18,861 --> 00:33:20,606

Marc Preston: What happens when something goes into a

904

00:33:20,646 --> 00:33:21,227

Marc Preston: black hole?

905

00:33:21,535 --> 00:33:24,903

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We're leaning towards the idea that black

906

00:33:24,923 --> 00:33:27,096

Neil deGrasse Tyson: holes do not destroy information, that all

907

00:33:27,116 --> 00:33:29,100

Neil deGrasse Tyson: of the information that passes through the

908

00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,876

Neil deGrasse Tyson: event horizon is remembered and, in fact,

909

00:33:33,056 --> 00:33:37,246

Neil deGrasse Tyson: encoded on the event horizon itself All

910

00:33:37,286 --> 00:33:37,727

Neil deGrasse Tyson: information.

911

00:33:38,116 --> 00:33:40,547

Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is, this is the emergent understanding,

912

00:33:40,607 --> 00:33:42,979

Neil deGrasse Tyson: based on what the theories of physics are

913

00:33:42,999 --> 00:33:44,890

Neil deGrasse Tyson: telling us that these are theories of

914

00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:46,498

Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics that are well tested in other

915

00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,043

Neil deGrasse Tyson: realms, and so we're extrapolating into new,

916

00:33:50,244 --> 00:33:53,175

Neil deGrasse Tyson: new realms with the same theories.

917

00:33:53,536 --> 00:33:57,269

Marc Preston: So the confidence we have derives from how

918

00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,298

Marc Preston: successful these theories have been in

919

00:33:59,399 --> 00:34:02,200

Marc Preston: other, in other regimes, because isn't

920

00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:04,451

Marc Preston: there a theory that that there was, in turn,

921

00:34:04,632 --> 00:34:06,158

Marc Preston: what we call it the multiverse, or

922

00:34:06,198 --> 00:34:08,145

Marc Preston: alternate universes that may exist?

923

00:34:08,636 --> 00:34:10,323

Marc Preston: Isn't there a theory that black holes may

924

00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:13,378

Marc Preston: be some kind of portal or link, or is that?

925

00:34:13,459 --> 00:34:14,775

Marc Preston: Is that still just purely theoretical?

926

00:34:15,036 --> 00:34:16,802

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you look at the what's all, it's all

927

00:34:16,983 --> 00:34:17,384

Neil deGrasse Tyson: theoretical.

928

00:34:17,776 --> 00:34:19,323

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Don't just say it's just theoretical,

929

00:34:19,384 --> 00:34:21,655

Neil deGrasse Tyson: because equals MC squared is Einstein's

930

00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:24,564

Neil deGrasse Tyson: theory of relativity and it you make bombs

931

00:34:24,624 --> 00:34:24,905

Neil deGrasse Tyson: out of that.

932

00:34:25,256 --> 00:34:27,746

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So there's never an occasion to denigrate

933

00:34:27,786 --> 00:34:29,875

Neil deGrasse Tyson: something being theoretical if it's been

934

00:34:30,078 --> 00:34:31,075

Neil deGrasse Tyson: tested and supported.

935

00:34:31,616 --> 00:34:33,520

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So so his.

936

00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:39,351

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you follow the, the math into the black

937

00:34:39,391 --> 00:34:42,999

Neil deGrasse Tyson: hole, what happens is an entire other space

938

00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:46,026

Neil deGrasse Tyson: time opens up in front of you as the one

939

00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,289

Neil deGrasse Tyson: behind you closes off.

940

00:34:48,757 --> 00:34:51,546

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so, yes, black holes may indeed be

941

00:34:51,626 --> 00:34:52,930

Neil deGrasse Tyson: portals to whole other.

942

00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:56,445

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we can call them universes, sure,

943

00:34:56,908 --> 00:34:58,174

Neil deGrasse Tyson: because they don't connect with the one you

944

00:34:58,194 --> 00:34:58,959

Neil deGrasse Tyson: just came from.

945

00:34:59,946 --> 00:35:02,699

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But it's intriguing, and this is highly

946

00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,267

Neil deGrasse Tyson: untapped material for science fiction.

947

00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,409

Marc Preston: What do you think is a good book, or a

948

00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:09,455

Marc Preston: movie or explanation?

949

00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:11,022

Marc Preston: It's, let me say, time space.

950

00:35:11,856 --> 00:35:13,159

Marc Preston: It's kind of hard to get.

951

00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,264

Marc Preston: Even I sometimes have a hard time getting

952

00:35:15,284 --> 00:35:15,845

Marc Preston: my head around it.

953

00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:16,747

Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, it's easy.

954

00:35:16,887 --> 00:35:17,388

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'll tell you why.

955

00:35:18,156 --> 00:35:20,241

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If I say, hey, let's, let's go have lunch

956

00:35:20,301 --> 00:35:24,876

Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at 12 noon, you say sure, what's

957

00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:25,699

Neil deGrasse Tyson: your next question to me?

958

00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,488

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Where, where, where.

959

00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:31,180

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You intuitively know that the time

960

00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:36,129

Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate is incomplete in order to assure

961

00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:38,720

Neil deGrasse Tyson: that the two of us meet up for lunch.

962

00:35:39,923 --> 00:35:41,566

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, I'm in New York City.

963

00:35:41,586 --> 00:35:44,177

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Those are sirens, right, you know that

964

00:35:44,277 --> 00:35:44,839

Neil deGrasse Tyson: intuitively.

965

00:35:45,943 --> 00:35:50,503

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so now I say, hey, let's go meet at

966

00:35:50,563 --> 00:35:53,509

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.

967

00:35:54,535 --> 00:35:55,620

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And what's your next question to me?

968

00:35:56,116 --> 00:35:57,681

Marc Preston: Uh, corner deli tomorrow for breakfast.

969

00:35:57,801 --> 00:35:58,062

Marc Preston: It'd be.

970

00:35:58,102 --> 00:35:58,905

Marc Preston: What time, what?

971

00:35:58,965 --> 00:35:59,286

Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.

972

00:36:00,476 --> 00:36:03,844

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So the first case, I gave you a place a

973

00:36:03,884 --> 00:36:06,399

Neil deGrasse Tyson: time but not a place, and you said I need

974

00:36:06,419 --> 00:36:06,781

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the place.

975

00:36:07,176 --> 00:36:08,721

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And next time, I gave you the place but not

976

00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:09,945

Neil deGrasse Tyson: a time, you said I need the time.

977

00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:13,223

Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is evidence that we live in a space

978

00:36:13,283 --> 00:36:13,624

Neil deGrasse Tyson: time.

979

00:36:13,684 --> 00:36:17,341

Neil deGrasse Tyson: World, space and time only have meaning in

980

00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:22,733

Neil deGrasse Tyson: our lives when they connect in what we call

981

00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:23,455

Neil deGrasse Tyson: world lines.

982

00:36:23,857 --> 00:36:25,847

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Your world line is your movement through

983

00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:27,515

Neil deGrasse Tyson: space and time at all times.

984

00:36:28,056 --> 00:36:30,685

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's why, when you cross a street, you're

985

00:36:30,705 --> 00:36:33,896

Neil deGrasse Tyson: not flattened by the truck that was in the

986

00:36:34,016 --> 00:36:35,099

Neil deGrasse Tyson: very same spot.

987

00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,626

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You are because it's not in the same spot

988

00:36:38,827 --> 00:36:39,709

Neil deGrasse Tyson: at the same time.

989

00:36:41,216 --> 00:36:44,245

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So world lines are this ingenious way to

990

00:36:44,325 --> 00:36:47,775

Neil deGrasse Tyson: understand the world, so that everything

991

00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:49,691

Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't all happen in the same place at the

992

00:36:49,732 --> 00:36:50,115

Neil deGrasse Tyson: same time.

993

00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:53,448

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Now, one thing that zoom calls have done

994

00:36:53,469 --> 00:36:55,075

Neil deGrasse Tyson: during the pandemic a silver lining there

995

00:36:56,498 --> 00:36:56,578

Neil deGrasse Tyson: is.

996

00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,287

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It has removed the time coordinate that is

997

00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:04,145

Neil deGrasse Tyson: normally required for people to connect All.

998

00:37:04,165 --> 00:37:05,313

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, I'm sorry, it's removed the space

999

00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:05,555

Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinate.

00:37:06,861 --> 00:37:09,312

Neil deGrasse Tyson: All you need is a time coordinate zoom call

00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:10,035

Neil deGrasse Tyson: tomorrow at noon.

00:37:10,035 --> 00:37:11,795

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't care where you are in the world,

00:37:12,617 --> 00:37:14,735

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you dial into the zoom call and we're there.

00:37:17,685 --> 00:37:18,708

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it's a reMarcable.

00:37:18,728 --> 00:37:20,133

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to think about it on a deeper

00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:20,575

Neil deGrasse Tyson: level, a zoom call.

00:37:20,595 --> 00:37:24,949

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is our space time coordinates intersecting

00:37:25,771 --> 00:37:26,634

Neil deGrasse Tyson: without space being a parameter in that

00:37:26,654 --> 00:37:26,915

Neil deGrasse Tyson: intersection?

00:37:28,101 --> 00:37:29,488

Marc Preston: When I hear space time, I never really got

00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:30,755

Marc Preston: a full definition to where I understand it.

00:37:30,978 --> 00:37:32,034

Marc Preston: No, yeah, just you overthink it.

00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:34,861

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's simple.

00:37:42,274 --> 00:37:43,356

Marc Preston: Now Cosmos.

00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,040

Marc Preston: My kids grew up on it and it's funny

00:37:46,081 --> 00:37:48,344

Marc Preston: because I remember being younger in Carl

00:37:48,364 --> 00:37:48,625

Marc Preston: Sagan.

00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:50,274

Marc Preston: Did you ever have a chance to sit down and

00:37:50,314 --> 00:37:51,318

Marc Preston: spend time with Carl Sagan?

00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:55,180

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So people like to describe him as my mentor,

00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,408

Neil deGrasse Tyson: but I was probably only in his company

00:37:57,970 --> 00:38:00,817

Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe four times in my life, maybe five

00:38:00,957 --> 00:38:04,995

Neil deGrasse Tyson: times in my life, and so again, I don't.

00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,462

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It wasn't about role models as people.

00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:10,342

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was about whoever they were and whatever

00:38:10,382 --> 00:38:10,864

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they did.

00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:12,290

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Was it something worth emulating?

00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,291

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then you emulate it, Whether or not

00:38:14,311 --> 00:38:16,237

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they're standing next to you as a coach.

00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:18,739

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, if you study someone hard enough,

00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:20,270

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you can figure out how they do it and why

00:38:20,491 --> 00:38:23,441

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and what motivates them and what they do.

00:38:23,522 --> 00:38:25,509

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That would best fit for how you do it or

00:38:25,529 --> 00:38:26,313

Neil deGrasse Tyson: how you want to do it.

00:38:28,153 --> 00:38:29,797

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So, yeah, so we were never beer drinking

00:38:29,817 --> 00:38:31,080

Neil deGrasse Tyson: buddies, but we knew each other.

00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,778

Marc Preston: Yes, Well, did Seth MacFarlane?

00:38:33,838 --> 00:38:35,385

Marc Preston: Did he approach you with this idea?

00:38:35,506 --> 00:38:37,493

Marc Preston: Or who knocked on whose door about the idea

00:38:37,553 --> 00:38:39,759

Marc Preston: of bringing back cosmos and its current

00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:40,401

Marc Preston: incarnation?

00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:43,818

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So Andrewian is the Carl Sagan's widow.

00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:46,596

Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's the secret sauce of all three

00:38:46,656 --> 00:38:47,258

Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmoses.

00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:50,134

Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's, though, not a scientist herself.

00:38:50,194 --> 00:38:53,822

Neil deGrasse Tyson: She's deeply connected to what it is to be

00:38:53,882 --> 00:38:58,094

Neil deGrasse Tyson: scientifically literate, and she doesn't

00:38:58,314 --> 00:39:00,520

Neil deGrasse Tyson: simply know the universe, she feels the

00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:00,941

Neil deGrasse Tyson: universe.

00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,535

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Almost every amazing line to come out of

00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:07,421

Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos, all three cosmoses, almost every

00:39:07,481 --> 00:39:10,534

Neil deGrasse Tyson: line where you just have to pause and say

00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:13,333

Neil deGrasse Tyson: wow, I feel that it's traceable to

00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:20,123

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Andrewian, and so she and I met as serving

00:39:20,303 --> 00:39:22,929

Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the board of the Planetary Society, an

00:39:22,949 --> 00:39:24,957

Neil deGrasse Tyson: organization that Carl Sagan co-founded

00:39:24,997 --> 00:39:27,770

Neil deGrasse Tyson: back in 1980.

00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,695

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And the conversation came up about whether

00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:31,379

Neil deGrasse Tyson: cosmos would be resurrected.

00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:35,639

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And then she asked would I be interested in

00:39:35,739 --> 00:39:36,220

Neil deGrasse Tyson: hosting that?

00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:37,734

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, there's probably a dozen

00:39:37,774 --> 00:39:38,897

Neil deGrasse Tyson: people who want to host that.

00:39:38,937 --> 00:39:39,759

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I don't need to host it.

00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:41,473

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then I thought wait, I have certain

00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:44,223

Neil deGrasse Tyson: memories of Carl Sagan, though we only

00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:46,331

Neil deGrasse Tyson: spent four occasions together.

00:39:46,974 --> 00:39:49,141

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That first one was hugely influential,

00:39:50,145 --> 00:39:51,570

Neil deGrasse Tyson: which was when he sent me a letter when I

00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:54,095

Neil deGrasse Tyson: was in high school to ask me to visit

00:39:54,156 --> 00:39:55,960

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Cornell to see if I want to go to Cornell

00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:56,741

Neil deGrasse Tyson: for college.

00:39:58,012 --> 00:40:00,448

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was a stupefying thing.

00:40:01,392 --> 00:40:02,617

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was like what is it?

00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:04,054

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Who would do this?

00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:05,092

Neil deGrasse Tyson: He did it.

00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,819

Neil deGrasse Tyson: To this day, I treat students the way he

00:40:08,859 --> 00:40:11,889

Neil deGrasse Tyson: treated me, giving them time in the middle

00:40:11,949 --> 00:40:13,876

Neil deGrasse Tyson: of your day, no matter how busy your day is,

00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:17,035

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and so can't do that with all students, but

00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:22,058

Neil deGrasse Tyson: when the time I do it, and so he probably

00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:23,844

Neil deGrasse Tyson: did it better and more consistently than

00:40:23,945 --> 00:40:24,607

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I've been able to.

00:40:24,988 --> 00:40:26,815

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Just if you want to rank that.

00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:30,977

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But I said okay, if you want me, I'd be

00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:31,678

Neil deGrasse Tyson: happy to do this.

00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:37,400

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So then we all agree we'll resurrect Cosmos.

00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:39,734

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've got the original co-writer, Steve

00:40:39,754 --> 00:40:44,183

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Soder, and along with Andrew Ian, and so

00:40:44,423 --> 00:40:44,824

Neil deGrasse Tyson: there it was.

00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:46,195

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But then we started knocking on doors to

00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:46,978

Neil deGrasse Tyson: see who would.

00:40:48,183 --> 00:40:50,050

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We went to PBS, we went to Discovery

00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:53,497

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Channel, we went to a bunch of places, and

00:40:53,537 --> 00:40:56,342

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they all wanted to assign their own writers

00:40:56,443 --> 00:40:56,703

Neil deGrasse Tyson: to it.

00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,035

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I think they felt that the original Cosmos

00:40:59,095 --> 00:41:00,680

Neil deGrasse Tyson: needed some sprucing up.

00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:02,815

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Get a young writer in there, they'll know

00:41:02,855 --> 00:41:04,571

Neil deGrasse Tyson: what to say and how to do it, and Andrew

00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:05,575

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ian would have none of that.

00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:08,675

Neil deGrasse Tyson: She knew she had a vision statement of what

00:41:08,695 --> 00:41:11,310

Neil deGrasse Tyson: she wanted and how it would look, and

00:41:11,491 --> 00:41:15,041

Neil deGrasse Tyson: though she was 35 years older than when she

00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:17,448

Neil deGrasse Tyson: first co-authored it, she was not

00:41:17,608 --> 00:41:20,597

Neil deGrasse Tyson: responsive to their requirements to do this.

00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:23,337

Neil deGrasse Tyson: At the time I became friends with Seth

00:41:23,377 --> 00:41:25,466

Neil deGrasse Tyson: McFarlane through something called the

00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:28,456

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Science Entertainment Exchange, an actual

00:41:28,496 --> 00:41:30,160

Neil deGrasse Tyson: branch of the National Academy of Sciences.

00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:33,203

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We got to know each other and he came up to

00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:34,489

Neil deGrasse Tyson: me and says you know, I came into some

00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:35,092

Neil deGrasse Tyson: money recently.

00:41:35,132 --> 00:41:36,115

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is there any good I can do?

00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:40,877

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said, oh my gosh, why don't you fund

00:41:41,338 --> 00:41:43,482

Neil deGrasse Tyson: a pilot for Cosmos so we can show people

00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:45,612

Neil deGrasse Tyson: what it's going to look like, and then

00:41:45,713 --> 00:41:46,476

Neil deGrasse Tyson: sponsors would come.

00:41:47,111 --> 00:41:48,294

Neil deGrasse Tyson: He says no, I have a better idea.

00:41:48,314 --> 00:41:49,898

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Why don't I just take it to Fox?

00:41:49,918 --> 00:41:51,221

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because all his shows are on Fox?

00:41:51,831 --> 00:41:53,236

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And I said no, that's a terrible idea.

00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:56,476

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was thinking in my head you know, cosmos

00:41:56,516 --> 00:41:57,779

Neil deGrasse Tyson: on Fox, that's not going to work.

00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,782

Neil deGrasse Tyson: This is a mistake.

00:41:59,190 --> 00:42:02,173

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, I asked, but then I thought about it

00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:04,219

Neil deGrasse Tyson: for 10 seconds.

00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:05,411

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Wait a minute.

00:42:05,491 --> 00:42:10,211

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Fox is huge, way bigger than PBS, and a lot

00:42:10,231 --> 00:42:12,379

Neil deGrasse Tyson: of liberals think of Fox as just Fox News.

00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:15,571

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But Fox is Fox flagship, which has the

00:42:15,771 --> 00:42:18,600

Neil deGrasse Tyson: liberally acerbic Simpsons on it and Family

00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,479

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Guy, and they had what's that highly

00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:23,722

Neil deGrasse Tyson: progressive show, glee.

00:42:24,451 --> 00:42:26,536

Neil deGrasse Tyson: All right, these are all Fox programings.

00:42:26,597 --> 00:42:28,040

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Another show called In Living Color.

00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:30,957

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so I said this is a brilliant idea.

00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:33,590

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So we took it to Fox and they bought in and

00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:36,234

Neil deGrasse Tyson: they said we'll do 13 episodes and we trust

00:42:36,274 --> 00:42:37,116

Neil deGrasse Tyson: that you know what you're doing.

00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:39,534

Neil deGrasse Tyson: And so they didn't even want to put a

00:42:39,594 --> 00:42:40,156

Neil deGrasse Tyson: writer on it?

00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:42,894

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, and so that's how it landed on Fox,

00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:47,863

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and Fox bought National Geographic, and

00:42:47,903 --> 00:42:49,409

Neil deGrasse Tyson: then it landed on Fox and National

00:42:49,429 --> 00:42:50,614

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic at the same time.

00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:53,097

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Then Disney bought both Fox and National

00:42:53,117 --> 00:42:54,634

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Geographic, and now you want to find Cosmos?

00:42:54,835 --> 00:42:55,577

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's on Disney Plus.

00:42:56,613 --> 00:42:58,420

Marc Preston: As a parent who's I've always been really

00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,749

Marc Preston: into the space, learning is something I've

00:43:01,070 --> 00:43:03,491

Marc Preston: always drunk up really easily and I'm

00:43:03,611 --> 00:43:06,599

Marc Preston: jazzed that my kids kind of got that same

00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:08,042

Marc Preston: bug a little bit.

00:43:08,330 --> 00:43:09,775

Marc Preston: Like I said, my daughter said, why don't

00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:10,999

Marc Preston: you talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson?

00:43:11,171 --> 00:43:13,954

Marc Preston: And I was like sure, I certainly appreciate

00:43:13,974 --> 00:43:14,958

Marc Preston: you being generous with your time.

00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:17,632

Marc Preston: This means a lot to me, certainly, and I

00:43:17,652 --> 00:43:19,559

Marc Preston: got these seven questions I like to ask.

00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:21,757

Marc Preston: The first question is what is your favorite

00:43:21,817 --> 00:43:22,459

Marc Preston: comfort food?

00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:24,941

Marc Preston: That thing that like brings you back to

00:43:24,961 --> 00:43:25,483

Marc Preston: your center.

00:43:25,544 --> 00:43:27,091

Marc Preston: You know, you just can sit down, munch on

00:43:27,151 --> 00:43:28,896

Marc Preston: it, whatever, or maybe a thought it brings

00:43:28,917 --> 00:43:29,378

Marc Preston: you back home.

00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,536

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You said munch and implied something

00:43:31,556 --> 00:43:31,877

Neil deGrasse Tyson: crunchy.

00:43:32,330 --> 00:43:34,997

Neil deGrasse Tyson: A strawberry multi-milk solid food, a New

00:43:35,058 --> 00:43:37,011

Neil deGrasse Tyson: York pepperoni pizza, those two?

00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:39,298

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I could go to Mars on those two food groups.

00:43:40,231 --> 00:43:41,696

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I have them every single day and I would

00:43:41,736 --> 00:43:42,217

Neil deGrasse Tyson: not get tired.

00:43:42,297 --> 00:43:43,381

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm not quite tired of them.

00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:44,876

Marc Preston: Now, if you were going to sit down and have

00:43:44,916 --> 00:43:48,130

Marc Preston: a cup of coffee three people either alive

00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,195

Marc Preston: or in history, just to talk story for a few

00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:53,860

Marc Preston: hours who would those three people be?

00:43:54,541 --> 00:44:00,248

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would say Joan of Arc, isaac Newton and

00:44:04,594 --> 00:44:05,896

Neil deGrasse Tyson: maybe Martin Luther King Jr.

00:44:07,606 --> 00:44:11,710

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yeah, these are people who represent sort

00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:12,713

Neil deGrasse Tyson: of extreme.

00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,759

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, two of them gave their lives

00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,444

Neil deGrasse Tyson: right for what they believed in, and I just

00:44:18,504 --> 00:44:25,592

Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know what it feels like to think so

00:44:25,693 --> 00:44:28,356

Neil deGrasse Tyson: strongly about something that your life

00:44:28,396 --> 00:44:31,667

Neil deGrasse Tyson: doesn't even matter because the cause is

00:44:31,728 --> 00:44:34,804

Neil deGrasse Tyson: greater than your own life and that cause

00:44:34,985 --> 00:44:36,509

Neil deGrasse Tyson: is for the progressive.

00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,218

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the cause is a good cause, not

00:44:40,418 --> 00:44:41,060

Neil deGrasse Tyson: some other cause.

00:44:41,642 --> 00:44:42,905

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You know, the Nazis had a cause.

00:44:42,925 --> 00:44:44,229

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's not the kind of cause I'm talking

00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:46,885

Neil deGrasse Tyson: about here, and so, and Isaac Newton, just

00:44:46,925 --> 00:44:48,390

Neil deGrasse Tyson: for his sheer brilliance, I think he's the

00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:51,659

Neil deGrasse Tyson: smartest person I ever walked the face of

00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:51,940

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the earth.

00:44:52,782 --> 00:44:54,547

Marc Preston: Now, as a kid growing up, who is your

00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:55,450

Marc Preston: celebrity crush?

00:44:56,823 --> 00:44:56,883

Marc Preston: I?

00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:58,488

Neil deGrasse Tyson: didn't really have celebrity crushes.

00:44:59,602 --> 00:45:00,625

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I wasn't really into that.

00:45:01,047 --> 00:45:02,721

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I like baseball players I wanted to be.

00:45:03,443 --> 00:45:05,908

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Ron Bloomberg was the very first designated

00:45:05,928 --> 00:45:08,212

Neil deGrasse Tyson: hitter in all of baseball for the New York

00:45:08,252 --> 00:45:10,385

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yankees and I loved how often he hit home

00:45:10,425 --> 00:45:11,028

Neil deGrasse Tyson: runs and logs.

00:45:11,341 --> 00:45:12,864

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So you know, as a kid growing up in the

00:45:12,884 --> 00:45:14,989

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bronx home of the Yankees, of course I

00:45:15,029 --> 00:45:16,051

Neil deGrasse Tyson: wanted to play for the Yankees.

00:45:16,071 --> 00:45:18,725

Neil deGrasse Tyson: When I grew up I wanted to hit the way he

00:45:18,805 --> 00:45:19,286

Neil deGrasse Tyson: hit the ball.

00:45:19,808 --> 00:45:20,470

Marc Preston: I enjoyed the baseball.

00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,251

Marc Preston: You answered my second question Mets or

00:45:23,271 --> 00:45:23,412

Marc Preston: Yankees?

00:45:23,432 --> 00:45:23,934

Marc Preston: So that's.

00:45:23,995 --> 00:45:26,429

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, you got the Did I sound like the Bronx

00:45:26,449 --> 00:45:26,530

Neil deGrasse Tyson: dude.

00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:29,547

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, so no, I didn't really have a

00:45:29,908 --> 00:45:30,891

Neil deGrasse Tyson: celebrity crush.

00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:32,625

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush on my seventh grade math

00:45:32,645 --> 00:45:32,946

Neil deGrasse Tyson: teacher.

00:45:33,548 --> 00:45:34,050

Neil deGrasse Tyson: How about that?

00:45:34,321 --> 00:45:34,382

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You?

00:45:34,402 --> 00:45:36,532

Marc Preston: know I had one of my eighth grade English

00:45:36,552 --> 00:45:37,738

Marc Preston: teacher but she was a Dallas Cowboy

00:45:37,779 --> 00:45:39,205

Marc Preston: cheerleader, so you know it was.

00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,486

Marc Preston: Let me tell you eighth grade boys and a

00:45:42,546 --> 00:45:43,849

Marc Preston: Dallas Cowboy cheerleader as a teacher.

00:45:45,963 --> 00:45:47,287

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's a bad mixture right there, yeah.

00:45:49,797 --> 00:45:50,040

Marc Preston: Indeed.

00:45:50,626 --> 00:45:51,858

Marc Preston: Now let's say you're going to be going to

00:45:51,878 --> 00:45:52,060

Marc Preston: an island.

00:45:52,523 --> 00:45:53,590

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Or let's say you're going to go to the

00:45:53,651 --> 00:45:53,771

Neil deGrasse Tyson: resort.

00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:55,405

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Sorry, no, let me back up.

00:45:58,768 --> 00:45:59,430

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I had a crush.

00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:01,466

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I guess we could call it a crush.

00:46:02,862 --> 00:46:05,669

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I was a big fan of the TV series I Dream a

00:46:05,709 --> 00:46:09,665

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Genie and it couldn't have just been a

00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:12,049

Neil deGrasse Tyson: crush on Barbara Eden, because he was an

00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:15,201

Neil deGrasse Tyson: astronaut going into space at NASA and I

00:46:15,241 --> 00:46:16,867

Neil deGrasse Tyson: was already interested in the universe.

00:46:17,261 --> 00:46:20,229

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this was like double dipping for me,

00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:20,650

Neil deGrasse Tyson: right?

00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,125

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Because she's beautiful and she has huge

00:46:23,205 --> 00:46:26,293

Neil deGrasse Tyson: powers that are just mind-bogglingly,

00:46:26,834 --> 00:46:30,526

Neil deGrasse Tyson: staggeringly amazing, and he's an astronaut.

00:46:33,847 --> 00:46:35,190

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I guess I had a crush.

00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:36,908

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoyed the show.

00:46:36,989 --> 00:46:38,886

Neil deGrasse Tyson: For all of those reasons combined, I was

00:46:38,926 --> 00:46:39,912

Neil deGrasse Tyson: kind of honestly.

00:46:39,993 --> 00:46:41,000

Marc Preston: I was kind of the same way.

00:46:41,641 --> 00:46:44,687

Marc Preston: I was into the space thing and you know.

00:46:45,408 --> 00:46:46,750

Marc Preston: And then when I was a kid, one of the first

00:46:46,871 --> 00:46:48,874

Marc Preston: acting jobs I ever did was Dallas.

00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:50,104

Marc Preston: I was seven years old.

00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:52,365

Marc Preston: It was kind of wild seeing him.

00:46:53,969 --> 00:46:54,959

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, with my old guy.

00:46:54,979 --> 00:46:56,966

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Yes, Major Nelson was a star of Dallas.

00:46:57,087 --> 00:46:58,522

Marc Preston: yes, yeah, he was.

00:46:58,602 --> 00:47:00,047

Marc Preston: Yeah, the 80s in Dallas.

00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:00,909

Marc Preston: That was a whole different story.

00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:02,365

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Tell me his name on that show again.

00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:05,709

Neil deGrasse Tyson: His name was JR Ewing.

00:47:06,301 --> 00:47:06,682

Marc Preston: JR.

00:47:06,822 --> 00:47:07,926

Marc Preston: Yeah, who shot JR?

00:47:07,966 --> 00:47:08,548

Marc Preston: I remember that.

00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:10,703

Marc Preston: Now, if you were to go, from the time you

00:47:10,722 --> 00:47:12,085

Marc Preston: get up to the time you put your head down

00:47:12,105 --> 00:47:14,709

Marc Preston: to go to sleep, if you have a perfect day,

00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:17,413

Marc Preston: what are some of the component parts of

00:47:17,453 --> 00:47:18,735

Marc Preston: that perfect day for you?

00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,002

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh, so I would make a brunch for the whole

00:47:21,022 --> 00:47:26,850

Neil deGrasse Tyson: family and then we might go somewhere fun,

00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,974

Neil deGrasse Tyson: just somewhere with nothing to do, like to

00:47:29,994 --> 00:47:31,876

Neil deGrasse Tyson: the beach or hiking.

00:47:32,461 --> 00:47:34,527

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'm less a fan of hiking than I am laying

00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:35,369

Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the beach doing nothing.

00:47:38,828 --> 00:47:39,289

Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's that.

00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,324

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Curl up altogether, make popcorn with

00:47:42,364 --> 00:47:44,688

Neil deGrasse Tyson: slightly too much butter on it and watch a

00:47:44,728 --> 00:47:46,771

Neil deGrasse Tyson: movie that none of us have seen yet, and

00:47:46,811 --> 00:47:50,353

Neil deGrasse Tyson: then have a nice barbecue dinner and that's

00:47:50,434 --> 00:47:51,060

Neil deGrasse Tyson: a day with family.

00:47:51,621 --> 00:47:56,270

Neil deGrasse Tyson: A day at work I would wake up, knock out

00:47:56,290 --> 00:48:00,206

Neil deGrasse Tyson: about 500 emails I would get 1500 a day or

00:48:00,266 --> 00:48:04,425

Neil deGrasse Tyson: so and then check my calendar, get some

00:48:04,445 --> 00:48:06,569

Neil deGrasse Tyson: things done, allocate three or four hours

00:48:06,649 --> 00:48:07,711

Neil deGrasse Tyson: for quality writing.

00:48:09,441 --> 00:48:12,247

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I enjoy having written, as they say, and so

00:48:12,287 --> 00:48:13,770

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you need good time slots for that.

00:48:15,682 --> 00:48:17,666

Neil deGrasse Tyson: There's an old saying, which I didn't want

00:48:17,687 --> 00:48:19,511

Neil deGrasse Tyson: to agree with, but I think it's deeply true

00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:21,725

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If you want to be creative, you have to

00:48:21,785 --> 00:48:22,848

Neil deGrasse Tyson: become less productive.

00:48:24,421 --> 00:48:27,307

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't think of your day as a good day if

00:48:27,327 --> 00:48:28,710

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you've got a lot of stuff done.

00:48:30,341 --> 00:48:31,744

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Think of a day where you don't get anything

00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,329

Neil deGrasse Tyson: done, but you did a lot of thinking, a lot

00:48:34,349 --> 00:48:35,352

Neil deGrasse Tyson: of creative thinking.

00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:38,822

Marc Preston: There's no substitute for that it's kind of

00:48:38,843 --> 00:48:40,970

Marc Preston: like the Greeks back in the day.

00:48:41,261 --> 00:48:43,950

Marc Preston: They probably sat around just contemplating.

00:48:44,502 --> 00:48:47,264

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Thinking yes, yes, so on, where you just

00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:50,414

Neil deGrasse Tyson: sort of trade ideas in ways that you don't

00:48:50,535 --> 00:48:52,843

Neil deGrasse Tyson: fight about the ideas because you really

00:48:52,883 --> 00:48:54,348

Neil deGrasse Tyson: want to know how the other person thinks.

00:48:55,602 --> 00:48:57,307

Marc Preston: Man, we need more of that, yes.

00:48:58,742 --> 00:49:01,169

Marc Preston: Now, if you were not doing what you're

00:49:01,189 --> 00:49:04,318

Marc Preston: doing now for a living, what would be

00:49:04,338 --> 00:49:06,466

Marc Preston: choice number two, what would you be doing?

00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:08,586

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Well, it doesn't work that way for me.

00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:11,546

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It'd have to be another universe, because I

00:49:11,586 --> 00:49:13,471

Neil deGrasse Tyson: don't have the talent to do what I would do

00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:13,832

Neil deGrasse Tyson: next.

00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:15,465

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So it'd have to be another universe where

00:49:15,505 --> 00:49:16,327

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I'd have that talent.

00:49:17,281 --> 00:49:21,291

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I would write songs for Broadway musicals.

00:49:22,323 --> 00:49:24,020

Marc Preston: So do you check out musicals regularly?

00:49:24,763 --> 00:49:25,265

Marc Preston: Yeah, I love them.

00:49:26,401 --> 00:49:28,605

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I love the perfectly composed sentence,

00:49:29,427 --> 00:49:35,619

Neil deGrasse Tyson: sung in a way that rhymes but doesn't feel

00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,165

Neil deGrasse Tyson: forced, and it communicates information and

00:49:38,205 --> 00:49:39,689

Neil deGrasse Tyson: advances the plot.

00:49:42,604 --> 00:49:44,408

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That takes brilliance to do that,

00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:46,473

Neil deGrasse Tyson: especially when it's perfectly scored

00:49:46,694 --> 00:49:48,880

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Correct, correct, yeah, and I can't score

00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,040

Neil deGrasse Tyson: music.

00:49:49,622 --> 00:49:51,389

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is a whole other world that I'd be

00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:54,060

Neil deGrasse Tyson: in, a music world that I'm not in right now.

00:49:54,481 --> 00:49:57,491

Marc Preston: Well, I've got one last question for the

00:49:57,552 --> 00:49:58,776

Marc Preston: young and has a question for you.

00:49:58,816 --> 00:50:00,060

Marc Preston: But, delorean, jump in.

00:50:00,882 --> 00:50:02,406

Marc Preston: You're going back to when you were 16 years

00:50:02,546 --> 00:50:04,371

Marc Preston: old and you have a couple minutes to share

00:50:04,431 --> 00:50:07,158

Marc Preston: a piece of wisdom, guidance, advice,

00:50:07,218 --> 00:50:10,485

Marc Preston: whatever have you that is going to put you

00:50:10,525 --> 00:50:12,791

Marc Preston: maybe on a better rail or maybe get you

00:50:12,831 --> 00:50:14,742

Marc Preston: where you want to be faster, better, more

00:50:14,782 --> 00:50:15,985

Marc Preston: comfortably, whatever you want to put it.

00:50:16,005 --> 00:50:17,890

Marc Preston: But what's that piece of advice to your

00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:18,872

Marc Preston: 16-year-old self?

00:50:19,581 --> 00:50:22,788

Neil deGrasse Tyson: I object to the question because it assumes

00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:25,253

Neil deGrasse Tyson: yeah, yeah, I know, I'll tell you why.

00:50:26,035 --> 00:50:32,508

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It assumes that there's a lesson that I

00:50:32,548 --> 00:50:36,695

Neil deGrasse Tyson: could be told about instead of experience,

00:50:37,837 --> 00:50:40,021

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and having been told about it would be as

00:50:40,121 --> 00:50:42,727

Neil deGrasse Tyson: impactful on my life as having experienced

00:50:42,787 --> 00:50:42,847

Neil deGrasse Tyson: it.

00:50:44,892 --> 00:50:48,180

Neil deGrasse Tyson: My life is anybody's life is only about the

00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:51,006

Neil deGrasse Tyson: sum of your life experiences, and your life

00:50:51,046 --> 00:50:53,370

Neil deGrasse Tyson: experiences define who you are.

00:50:54,472 --> 00:50:56,502

Neil deGrasse Tyson: The mistakes you made, the triumphs you've

00:50:56,522 --> 00:51:01,551

Neil deGrasse Tyson: had, the turmoil, the struggles all of

00:51:01,611 --> 00:51:04,081

Neil deGrasse Tyson: those go into who and what you are.

00:51:05,085 --> 00:51:06,931

Neil deGrasse Tyson: If someone says, do this, don't do that, do

00:51:06,951 --> 00:51:09,159

Neil deGrasse Tyson: this, don't do that, then what am I at the

00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,885

Neil deGrasse Tyson: end of that, Having not experienced it,

00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:13,008

Neil deGrasse Tyson: just being told it.

00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:18,660

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So I will not trade my life experiences for

00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:19,101

Neil deGrasse Tyson: anything.

00:51:19,682 --> 00:51:21,607

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So no, I would go back to my 16-year-old

00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:24,553

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and say keep going doing what you're doing.

00:51:25,062 --> 00:51:26,672

Marc Preston: That would be the advice if you want to

00:51:26,712 --> 00:51:27,758

Marc Preston: think of it that way, or maybe don't doubt

00:51:27,778 --> 00:51:29,282

Marc Preston: what you're doing, just keep on going.

00:51:30,044 --> 00:51:32,970

Neil deGrasse Tyson: No, that's not, no doubt.

00:51:33,110 --> 00:51:34,433

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Is you need to doubt sometimes.

00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:36,063

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Am I really into this?

00:51:36,463 --> 00:51:37,706

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Do I really want this?

00:51:38,347 --> 00:51:41,974

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Doubt has value because it can strengthen

00:51:42,034 --> 00:51:44,329

Neil deGrasse Tyson: your resolve for having had doubt in the

00:51:44,389 --> 00:51:44,931

Neil deGrasse Tyson: first place.

00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:47,060

Neil deGrasse Tyson: You can't have someone come up to you and

00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,961

Neil deGrasse Tyson: say don't doubt it.

00:51:48,242 --> 00:51:49,645

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Okay, therefore, I'm not going to doubt it.

00:51:50,526 --> 00:51:55,261

Neil deGrasse Tyson: The question is flawed in the actual real

00:51:55,341 --> 00:51:55,683

Neil deGrasse Tyson: world.

00:51:56,325 --> 00:51:58,291

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Unless you're a person who keeps making the

00:51:58,372 --> 00:52:02,183

Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake, then you could use a Someone

00:52:02,223 --> 00:52:04,489

Neil deGrasse Tyson: slap you in the head, say don't make that

00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:06,213

Neil deGrasse Tyson: same mistake nine times in a row.

00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,826

Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if you learn from your mistakes, that

00:52:10,987 --> 00:52:13,332

Neil deGrasse Tyson: is the character profile of who and what

00:52:13,352 --> 00:52:14,842

Neil deGrasse Tyson: you become as you get older.

00:52:15,644 --> 00:52:15,945

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Period.

00:52:15,965 --> 00:52:16,626

Marc Preston: Very good.

00:52:17,087 --> 00:52:18,691

Marc Preston: Well, when I was speaking with a good

00:52:18,731 --> 00:52:21,604

Marc Preston: friend of mine who is the ultimate Star

00:52:21,644 --> 00:52:23,835

Marc Preston: Trek fan, loves everything space, he had a

00:52:24,076 --> 00:52:25,321

Marc Preston: good friend of mine, trey Elliott, back

00:52:25,341 --> 00:52:26,965

Marc Preston: home in Texas, whose son is going to your

00:52:27,005 --> 00:52:28,148

Marc Preston: alma mater right now, ut.

00:52:28,689 --> 00:52:30,012

Marc Preston: He had one question.

00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:33,348

Marc Preston: Two parties said just quick thought not the

00:52:33,388 --> 00:52:34,931

Marc Preston: men and women serving, but the idea and

00:52:34,972 --> 00:52:37,569

Marc Preston: concept of Space Force and the idea that

00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:39,436

Marc Preston: they're using the Star Trek logo.

00:52:39,517 --> 00:52:39,858

Marc Preston: What are your?

00:52:39,878 --> 00:52:41,002

Marc Preston: Do you have any thoughts on that?

00:52:41,705 --> 00:52:44,052

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's a variation on the Star Trek logo.

00:52:44,975 --> 00:52:46,420

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's inspired by the Star Trek logo.

00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,565

Neil deGrasse Tyson: They're not actually using the Star Trek

00:52:48,585 --> 00:52:48,866

Neil deGrasse Tyson: logo.

00:52:49,287 --> 00:52:50,410

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've always had a Space Force.

00:52:50,810 --> 00:52:53,024

Neil deGrasse Tyson: It was called the Air Force Space Command

00:52:53,426 --> 00:52:55,312

Neil deGrasse Tyson: and we've had it since the dawn of

00:52:55,352 --> 00:52:55,814

Neil deGrasse Tyson: satellites.

00:52:56,335 --> 00:52:58,021

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So this is like an accounting shift.

00:52:58,724 --> 00:53:00,451

Neil deGrasse Tyson: People say, oh my gosh, we'll militarize

00:53:00,471 --> 00:53:00,752

Neil deGrasse Tyson: space.

00:53:01,153 --> 00:53:02,720

Neil deGrasse Tyson: The military has been in space ever since.

00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:03,702

Neil deGrasse Tyson: We've had satellites.

00:53:04,303 --> 00:53:05,586

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what spy satellites are.

00:53:05,847 --> 00:53:08,633

Neil deGrasse Tyson: That's what any of that, that's what GPS is

00:53:08,913 --> 00:53:11,006

Neil deGrasse Tyson: was launched by the Air Force to give

00:53:11,066 --> 00:53:14,175

Neil deGrasse Tyson: coordinates for missiles and anyone else

00:53:14,536 --> 00:53:16,982

Neil deGrasse Tyson: navigating where there aren't navigation

00:53:17,082 --> 00:53:20,367

Neil deGrasse Tyson: lines, street signs like, for example, the

00:53:20,488 --> 00:53:21,770

Neil deGrasse Tyson: ocean or the desert.

00:53:22,611 --> 00:53:25,782

Neil deGrasse Tyson: So don't overreact to the existence of the

00:53:25,823 --> 00:53:26,003

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Space.

00:53:26,023 --> 00:53:26,123

Marc Preston: Force.

00:53:26,143 --> 00:53:27,828

Marc Preston: So you said it's just an accounting shift.

00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:28,510

Marc Preston: I got you.

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Marc Preston: I got you, we'll tell you what, if you

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Marc Preston: don't mind.

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Marc Preston: I have one question.

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Marc Preston: My little one here.

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Marc Preston: The little one this is my height has for

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Marc Preston: you.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Oh cool, Hello.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Hey, how old are you?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: 17.

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Marc Preston: Cool, cool.

00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,882

Marc Preston: If time travel is theoretically possible,

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Marc Preston: does that mean our pasts and our futures

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Marc Preston: are?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: currently existing right now.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if we can imagine traveling both forward

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: and backwards in time, since the time is

00:53:55,882 --> 00:53:59,230

Neil deGrasse Tyson: just like a coordinate, like you walk out

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: on the street and you can go up town or

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: downtown, right, we go east and west.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: If time is just a coordinate, then it makes

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: sense to think of your life as always

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: existing.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always being born, you're always

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: being 17.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: You're always a grandfather, you're always

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: dying, and then you just reoccupy that same

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: timeline, worldline, if you will, and then

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: you live out your life, that it preexists

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in the same way the street preexists.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: It doesn't change every time you go out

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: there.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: But if, let's say, you cannot go backwards

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: in time but we know you can go forwards in

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: time with relativity there had to be some

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: rule that's preventing it.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: And Hawking imagined what we call it time

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: travel conjecture, where if you go back in

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: time and prevent your parents from meeting,

00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:47,000

Neil deGrasse Tyson: then you're never born, so that you can't

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: go back in time to prevent your parents

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from meeting.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So that's a paradox.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So he said there must be some law of

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: physics of the universe that prevents you

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: from going back in time because you can't

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: let that happen.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: So if that's the case, then you can think

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: of us as, not on a preexisting timeline,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: but always, forever transitioning from an

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: inaccessible past to an unknowable future.

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Marc Preston: Dr Tyson.

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Marc Preston: Again, thank you for being generous with

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Marc Preston: your time.

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Marc Preston: Best of luck again.

00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:15,028

Marc Preston: The book Welcome to the Universe in 3D a

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Marc Preston: visual tour, part of four books and it's

00:55:16,877 --> 00:55:19,403

Marc Preston: Welcome to the Universenet, correct?

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Marc Preston: You can find them all there.

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Marc Preston: Exactly what a cool guy.

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Marc Preston: Really enjoyed the chat with Neil deGrasse

00:55:27,205 --> 00:55:30,134

Marc Preston: Tyson and very cool, my son had a chance to

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Marc Preston: you know, come in, ask a question.

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Marc Preston: My kids grew up watching Cosmos so this was

00:55:35,568 --> 00:55:37,813

Marc Preston: kind of a neat thing for him and of course,

00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,187

Marc Preston: for me and of course for you as well.

00:55:40,408 --> 00:55:43,538

Marc Preston: So if you're kind of a space nerd like me,

00:55:43,598 --> 00:55:44,801

Marc Preston: this had to be a lot of fun.

00:55:45,222 --> 00:55:46,986

Marc Preston: Don't forget the book he has out.

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Marc Preston: It is really neat.

00:55:48,329 --> 00:55:51,442

Marc Preston: It is called Welcome to the Universe in 3D

00:55:52,003 --> 00:55:53,006

Marc Preston: a visual tour.

00:55:53,366 --> 00:55:54,730

Marc Preston: It's an interactive book, a little

00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:55,933

Marc Preston: something different than you're used to.

00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,127

Marc Preston: I think it's something kind of neat to get

00:55:58,167 --> 00:56:01,719

Marc Preston: a kid who is into space stuff space stuff

00:56:01,739 --> 00:56:04,228

Marc Preston: that's the technical term, you see, and, as

00:56:04,268 --> 00:56:06,095

Marc Preston: he mentioned, you want to catch Cosmos.

00:56:06,356 --> 00:56:08,663

Marc Preston: Disney Plus is where you can find Cosmos

00:56:08,864 --> 00:56:09,305

Marc Preston: right now.

00:56:10,228 --> 00:56:12,474

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00:56:12,534 --> 00:56:13,678

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