Kevin Kane | Shy Man’s Revenge

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[SPEAKER_02]: The episode was about something very personal that happened to me and at lunch I got in a van and I rode the SVU and I was with iced tea and prostitutes

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[SPEAKER_00]: on City Street York, but welcome to Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's your host, Mark Preston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, here we are back again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I, another episode of Story and Craft, hey, if this is your first time stopping by the show, thank you so very much for checking it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, sitting down with actor, director, writer, producer, Kevin Kane,

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[SPEAKER_01]: really enjoy the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably know Kevin from Law and Order SVU.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also had a long standing collaboration with Amy Schumer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he's one an Emmy Award, one a Peabody Award for Inside Amy Schumer and multitude of her projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been involved with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, just a very talented guy also was in the Irishman with Robert De Nero and Joe Peshie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, really enjoyed the conversation in the sit-now, and I'm sure you'll enjoy it as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're post lunch here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have yourself a little bit teet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a very busy day here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had school at home today because of the snow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, no, where are you living full time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, you're the second Brooklynite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the correct phrase, Brooklynite?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just talked to the actor Ken Lung and he's in Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know Ken, but I lived in a story and there's a very famous karate school that I think Ken's uncle is the teacher at, he was the brag about Ken all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what families are supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to brag like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You must know my in like that, like those folks like, you know, whenever you move out to LA people, like, you know, oh, do you know, so-and-so is like, LA's kind of a big town, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get a little people out there, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm quite envious, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always envious of people who can live in a place where you can walk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and get yourself some good foodie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I finally have the kind of walkable thing here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I live on an island in South Texas and we've got, uh, I think 3,000 full-time residents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a resonance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, tourism season at this, multiplies many times over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's only, I think, the, the whole drag, the whole main thing of the island's only five miles long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can walk anymore now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, now that being set, I still think my car most places I need to get out and do some walking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, now are you originally from Brooklyn, are you from the New York area or are you finding way there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm originally from the Philadelphia area, but then in, I think probably similar to where you live now, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_02]: in high school, my father moved us all to Mertal Beach, South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we were in that seasonal town living for for a few years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Mertal Beach is Mertal Beach a big vacation destination in the on these coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, we we've fluctuated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I spent all my summers at the Jersey Shore as a kid, and then in high school we were Mertal Beach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were always we were always

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[SPEAKER_02]: sort of close to the bar beach business most of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's something my, I don't know if you can see him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're my golden retriever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still like a year and a half old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's still got a lot of puppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he runs over to the window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our street is how people get to the beach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he just loves watching people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a whole new crew every time new dogs to bark at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all kinds of fun stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so you live in South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you grow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of your home base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you folks still out that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They both passed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our whole family sort of originates in South Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've lived in South Carolina for a few years and I ended up getting a scholarship to college at Coastal Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was kind of an interesting, I ended up getting an academic scholarship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got to swim with me, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe at the time for Coastal Carolina, I think it was a bit of a party school at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't since grown and it's become a thing now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it just allowed me to kind of experiment a little and take some acting electives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, let me kind of touch bates with some professors there that really kind of open my eyes that like this this could be a possibility for for what to do with my life and it was it was because where I had come from it not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was very, you know, I always joke for the job I have now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have my father's family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're a lot of like civil servants or coaches and athletes and my mother's side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're a lot of criminals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's prepared you in a very unique way for your current.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just laughed at the, like, and fully, like, the arts, you know, it felt so weird to tell them that I was kind of going in that direction, but if I really kind of remember them all correctly with a very artistic life they live, they were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All in string bands and the momma's parade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were rehearsing choreography for New Year's Day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were coming up with the momma's parade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So many months ago, I worked in Rio and Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going back to the mid-90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a song I remember playing called, it was called the momma's dance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to ask you, what is that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's this, it is this wild little secret they keep and fill it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is, it is just as crazy as Marty Gra, and it's, it's New Year's Day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

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[SPEAKER_02]: These kind of neighborhood clubs work on a theme and they rehearse all year and there's different divisions, some divisions, like the bands, all play instruments, some of them are just costumes and choreography.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they basically compete against each other in front of the judges down in the center city Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's intense, it's wild, it's like it's so huge and it becomes such a wild kind of parade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody has an open house, everybody has a bar and hot food in their living room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can walk in anyone's house and hang out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that doesn't remind me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't live in New Orleans for like 20 plus years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it reminds me of the Mardi Gras cruise down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like their clubs, basically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'll tell you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's really connected is, you know, these bands go if they spend all day going up broad street or it's market street enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they would come back down into their neighborhood like South Philly and like open their private clubs that they've been working at, you can't get in all year and they're really just a bar and they open it up to the neighborhood and they have a party on the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: corner of where their club is and most of them will hire New Orleans bands to play for the rest of the night because they've been playing music all day and now they're now they're taking the night off and party and would have a lot of Marty Grott bands come up and play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all these, you know, for weddings, make corporate events and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, it's kind of a thing to rent out a band for, you know, a cliche, not a cliche.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have a New Orleans wedding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to do this second line dance, and, uh, but that's well, yeah, I have heard of these private clubs where I want to say private clubs, you know, like it's, it's just, you know, it's like a member thing for the neighborhood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you know, the, you know, the whole family's involved in getting the, the, the, the, the, the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the whole club ready for New Year's Day all year long and the first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you've cleared up a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could have very easily googled many years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just remember the song came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The members down was like, what's the bomber's dance?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was we were doing the second season of Life and Bath.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got the shooting preservation hall and then we put Benjafi in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Ben Jaffee, like who's parents found a preservation hall, were from Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he grew up in New Orleans, and he is so in trench in the New Orleans scene, and I would have these conversations on them like it's set.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's such a weird connection I keep feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is before I knew his parents were from Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I knew that, I said, oh, wow, that was something they must have been always gravitating around, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Preservation hall, that's right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's kind of one of the main arteries of the cultural scene down in New Orleans, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, go back to when you're in school in Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you were there, what was the initial acting bug caught there, or were you know, through the elective process, or was it after?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I think I've always had, I had this weird fascination with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: prior to me being able to knowledge that it was something I can do for living or that it was something that I would be a part of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a kind of a fascination, an interest that

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[SPEAKER_02]: My mother found this trick when I think it was like in the fourth grade, we had to do a report on any artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the caveat from the teacher was that it had the artist had to be born before 1900 because at the time they thought we'd all be doing like Michael Jackson or

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so my mother learned that Jimmy Cagney was born in 1899.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She knew this fact.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I did the report on Jimmy Cagney.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as just a young kid started watching all these movies from the 1930s and 1940s, it just, I just made me bounce out of that idea as a kid of watching movies and kind of star wars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And all those things that you're just

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[SPEAKER_02]: that is your entertainment and start watching, oh, this guy did this, he lived a life and how did they make these things and how does it change?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And old movies became like not a scary thing to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It became a thing that I would investigate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was already like, those things were already circling around my new actors, I knew directors, I knew things like that, but I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: in college they just it was like no stakes for me and I just have the freedom to kind of step out and scare myself with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know you're you're I guess Gen X kid, what were you watching outside Jimmy Cagney, you know what were you watching what was the stuff you were consuming at that young age.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you know I I.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was really just, you know, the 80s were these, I found like the typical, like the Star Wars, the Indiana Jones series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those things were just kind of event type pictures, but I think through that, I, you know, and I guess the family from Philadelphia, cliche, you know, you'd find a movie like Rocky, and you'd notice it was smaller and it was different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think,

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[SPEAKER_02]: through my older cousins, I'd find these movies from the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was really kind of digging at film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I was, I was watching how Ash be in high school, wondering what was going on here, like this is this kind of secret that I had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like diving for like deep bands or something like he would do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had your cousins who watched off in the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have always thought I was born in 73.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought like I was on the, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: starting to be on the younger back end because all the the backpack and all that were always a few years ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they the young the older Gen X remember the 70s or that was part of their ecosystem musically movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All that was definitely in the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The 70s were just like, you know, that was my older cousins just like you, you know, like music, it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a great time to grow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I taught whenever I discuss it with my kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, I remember the, when I worked in a radio one of my first years on, I was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think and we still had like, we had like Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had new kids on the block and erosmith and like two live crew and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the music was all just kind of mismatched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had like all the best stuff that was just kind of rolling and you know, and here you are working with iced tea, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I told them all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to have that body count.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was like a little secret contraband cassette.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd all sneak to a pass off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that right, but I have a time they started rating, but those like warnings on the cassette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cassette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's one thing I hope they never bring back a set because, you know, they tell about bring back vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes total sense bringing back vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason ever bring cassettes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was just not maybe a track and you never know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were in a quality, but no, the whole tape thing was just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but the kiss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So world doesn't have time to rewind, anyone?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, so you started, this thing was firing up for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say you kind of caught the bug when you were young, was you're just, like the Jimmy Cagny thing, was that just sort of something that just kind of held on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was around, I was around a lot of, you know, I grew up in the bar business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were kind of Irish cliches, you know, like we'd, I'd watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My uncle was an Irish singer in a comedian, and I'd watch these people entertain from afar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, a bar is just like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was in there was a stage there, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A real real in an action stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Philly can be very throwback place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I even my grandmother and her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: all her relatives they they'd have their song made sang with the piano player at the bar back even when I was a little kid you know everyone had their chance to get up and entertain and I was just their crippling shy kid like I just I didn't want any attention I did not

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[SPEAKER_02]: My brother's four years younger than me, if we were in the mall and I wanted to ask directions, I'd make him go out but ask somebody like that's how much I'd want to avoid attention all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think in college it was just touching a fear mostly, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: trying to satisfy an interest, and then I found good results with it, and I got really encouraged to do it, and I just, the second I graduated, I moved in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's part of the ecosystem of people who do this thing, that being shy is probably the norm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like when you're younger, you know, being shy, and you're not trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the New York thing was it, what made you choose that as opposed to going to LA?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I, you know, using that like Jimmy Cagney, like I, I'd technically kind of par late into studying all these other actors and the fifties and the actors studio and all this stuff and I started realizing like a lot of the actors that I had most in my

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, sort of, we're New York based and theater based and I, I wanted to do theater and, um, uh, so it kind of made the decision for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's like on your Mount Rushmore, who are, like, you mentioned like 50s actors or who are the ones you looked at and I like that, you know, that guy's cracked the code.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to keep an eye on him or her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, I could kind of do it by decade, like, because I have so many that I'd kind of appreciate, but I, you know, I've always been like a Daniel de Lewis or a Sean Penn or

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as a kid, you get into Brando and De Niro and but then then you read like I read this amazing book of the Carl Maldon's autobiography and it was I get lost in some of those kind of worlds that don't exist anymore really it's not it's not what New York is anymore but I think you know I guess at any age if you would ask me that I'm probably would have still name those people but I would have different

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[SPEAKER_02]: different names to add because I think you're always constantly changing and what you appreciate and how you kind of navigate this business is gives you whole other level of appreciation of like how hard some things are and how hard it is to stick to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was there any kind of magnetism that was pulling you in the direction of comedy or drama or some kind of specific thing you're like, or even like star wars, you know, that was a sci-fi thing was that I mean, what was it that was a brass ring you're reaching for in a specific genre?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really, I really kind of wanted to just, I don't think I ever thought of pursuing comedy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think like a lot of things for me, it was like in retrospect, I was like, I knew too way too much about comedy to say I wasn't interested in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I knew so many comedians and I knew so many comedic performances and directors

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I really did come here as a blank slate, but I think I always had in mind those kind of big swing roles of actors that were versatile, I could do everything, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because we grew up in Europe, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back when Saturday night, I'd like Billy Crystal, you had Eddie Murphy, you had, you had, that was kind of the golden era of comedy, you know, you had Sam Kennison, all that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but you had people that were all like Robin Williams, who's also doing the dramatic thing, you know, so maybe that was incredible, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always kind of had this idea of that, it wasn't, there wasn't a road to go down to identify yourself as one thing or the other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of organically worked out that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I don't know, I, you know, all of a sudden I found myself in the middle of all this comedy and working on this comedy that that, you know, I are training was the same, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the same kind of work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes in comedy, you just kind of have to inject a little steroids into the stakes, but it just made me just kind of approach to work the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: your family your folks what how were they perceiving this thing okay okay the kids often in york he's he's doing this was it well received go was it like what the heck are you doing

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I had to say my father, he didn't get it, but what he, what was important to him is that I just took a huge swing for whatever I really wanted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all, was really important for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, he could get other people jobs, he could help them out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could, he just looked at me and he says, I don't know how to help you in this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the only thing that really kind of stumped him about the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like this is a whole world I can't even give you advice on and my mother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was like just Really begging it that it was a phase that was gonna pass

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[SPEAKER_02]: just out of her security issue of like she just wanted me to be okay and be able to take care of myself and and she didn't really understand like I think I think it was confusing for a lot of people because of how shy I was like they thought I was a last person the world to go swing after a

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[SPEAKER_02]: feel that could get you a lot of attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there was always this one moment where my mother was watching some kind of interview or one of those interview shows and Gabriel Burn was a guest on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And him being an Irish actor was really given more weight with my parents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he says acting as a shy man's revenge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the only time my mother just had this aha moment of like, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard that phrase before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, so when you were, what kind of studying were you doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Were you in New York?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there any kind of specific school or path or theory,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was working a little bit, like I booked a couple of jobs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I felt like I needed something to ground myself and keep me active more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a few people I'd worked with that worked with Bill Asper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the William Asper studio, which is, which is a Myesner based,

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[SPEAKER_02]: training program and it's a studio that's been there for I think since maybe the late sixties early seventies, but Bill was like one of the first teachers that Sam provides their trained.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you started in that studio was it who was kind of in your not class, but you know who were your who's got to end there with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I tell you, you know, because it's very, you know, it's, it's kind of an old school kind of thing too like New York these studios where the training is just very hyper focused and you learn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a specific technique and you become a master of that technique.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, I think now is more of a younger people or more of kind of curated from grad schools and things like that, but this, this was really, I think the coolest thing about it was I can remember I could like, I basically went to grad school like in a way of like, I could bartends and then hand-bill like a lot of cash in his hand and pay him every month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for a couple hundred bucks, and I got some of the best training, like some of the greatest actors in the world of trained with Bill, and that was the access, and so your class was very diverse in experience and age, and you really bonded with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You really opened yourself up two years with people of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's really about breaking down your instrument and like, like, what are your tells, what are your things that you kind of do to survive and lie if that doesn't that don't work on the stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's, so it's, you go through a lot of psychology with people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So your, the vulnerability.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the shared vulnerability really bonds you and our particular class Bill had kept saying to us that it was a special class and it was We should stay together and we should we should work together and

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[SPEAKER_02]: So one person in my class was Amy Schumer, and she, uh, so the first thing we ever produced together was our showcase from that class.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, we loved how that went, and so we ended up starting a theater company with, with the core of the company being that class in New York for like, for almost 11 years, 12 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you find yourself on a path of like, okay, I wonder if the actor or a director or a producer writer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the thing that was pulling on you the most?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just an actor, but I think what happened was there was an acknowledgment of this shift going on in the industry and even in theater of what were people they were calling their actors from.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we felt like a little bit like we were kind of the mutts we weren't the pedigrees

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was more in a sense of okay, we won't make our own stuff and make our own waves and make our own kind of attention to

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[SPEAKER_02]: to kind of get the things that we're thinking about, like I'm up doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was in the doing of that, of raising each other up and taking care of each other, trying to showcase each other that we were just kind of forced to apply those kind of situations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we're gonna learn directing on the fly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna learn producing on the fly, and it was really, really trial and error.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So making your own stuff, everybody thinks like now that's what everybody's doing, you know, you can get out there with a kid, you can get out there with your phone and start creating stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back then, that was kind of a novel idea, you know, so it's just me, I was, you're kind of the precipice of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But being in New York, that, I mean, I've talked to a number of people, the Dick Wolf ecosystem, you know, is sort of like, if you're a young actor, you're in New York,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be on one of his shows, you know, that kind of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When did you come on board with, uh, law and order, uh, SVU?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I got sort of in the Dick Wolf universe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I just told the story to get a night because law and order had had their big anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just sort of got off a bus and wasn't here that long and met at Agent through a friend and got an audition for law and order and I booked the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before I really had training or knew what I was doing, it was like my first, my first onset experience was with Jerry Orbach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jesse Martin, and it was, you know, I was just this young, scared kid and Jerry Orbach was kind of getting me through the day and just said, look, kid, you're going to be great, don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something that really kind of was overwhelming thinking about at the 25th anniversary party.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would book that here and there and then right when I graduated from Espariah, I had booked a guest lead on SVU.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe eight, nine years after that, I was booked again as a guest star in an episode that Mariska was directed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I got the bond with Mariska.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I had to, I was holding the DA hostage in a bar, that was the, that was the episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was very, very focused and it was a lot, you know, it was a lot to carry, but, uh, I, I kind of think Marishki, you know, kind of kick my name around when this role now, um, when Terry Bruno became available and, uh, it was, it was a, it was just like the right fit and I just felt great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time I hear a name, I think of the love guru with, uh, uh, yeah, where her name was a prayer, you know, or like a, you know, yeah, not a prayer, but a greeting or whatever big Mike Myers fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but having you done some stuff with Bill Hader, uh, haven't y'all connected as well, or well, I, um, so from our theater company, we used to do this comedy fundraiser.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because Amy Schumer was starting to do well and stand up and we could get these comedians and we knew how to throw a big party and Amy sort of bluffed her way into a beer sponsorship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so in fact we had like 30, 30 packs of beer being delivered before we had a show so we had to come up with a show on the fly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know bonding like that with Amy was was how her and I started to

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[SPEAKER_02]: really worked together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she had an opportunity to do a show, we had just started doing sketches on stage with, you know, like, more of a party atmosphere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, I think comedy central originally wanted to do a talk show after one of her rows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she just didn't want to be a talk show host.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm an actor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she pitched this sketch comedy show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I she pulled me on to that show and wanted me in there with with that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we worked on

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[SPEAKER_02]: when I, you know, was giving notes and helping out with, with the train rec script and she told Judd that I should be on set and I got to meet Judd and then Judd and I hit it off and I was like, oh yeah, it's not a big Judd fan, I got to be gotten his head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look how thick that book is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the new, uh, comedy nerd but, uh, unintended plug there but, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a comedy crush on Joe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm very I'm I'm that's a good end of the Mel Brooks one tonight, so I can't wait to see that one

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I was on trainer every day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was sort of a weekly thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, do you want me to come back Mondays again?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he'd give me and Amy's sister would, would he give this assignments to write like, alt jokes for, because he likes to have a million jokes rat fire and every stain, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he kind of like, he directs with like a god mic sometimes like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: in the scenes after they get the scene and then he's just throwing out jokes that he direct train record he to produce it he direct train wreck if i'm not mistaken train wreck was a big deal for him because it was the first feature that he didn't write that uh no really no it was very much in the process of like

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[SPEAKER_02]: like mentoring Amy through the writing of it, but you know, it was Amy's script.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I have to say like I kind of came from this like stage shows with like $20 all you can drink to like inside Amy Schumer, you know, on a very small budget.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was it like was it like a matter of a year or two of how fast it had happened?

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[SPEAKER_02]: 2009.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Inside Amy Schumer was 2012.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Tray and Eric was 2014.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, I think we had like five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nothing, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That goes by just like yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would I, you know, it's, it's that kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Complex of like, dude, am I supposed to be here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they gonna like throw me out of here like what am I doing here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it You become you're like on a studio comedy movie with Judd Apatau, and he's literally willing to take any idea and like Listen to you and just kind of teach you and it's just he's such a Beautiful human being in that way that he's just he

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[SPEAKER_02]: focuses on the positive and he just keeps a lot of love around him during the making of everything that it's just, it was kind of an eye-opening experience to be around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've heard him, I think it was out, not outtakes, but bits from, I think it was anchor man or something, or he'll throw out like you said a bill heater or throw out lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they do that with y'all, where he's throwing out, okay, just kind of see how it sounds coming out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a, I mean, it was so fun to, you know, tomorrow it's John Cena, so now you would have got to write all these kind of crazy things that John Cena would say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: or sometimes depending on who was in town and the ability to do it, like he was trying to throw together this crazy intervention scene that wasn't really in the original script.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, who's coming?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Marvel, LeBron James, Chris Everett, like you've got to write something for all these people to say that an intervention and you just

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like a kid, like I, there was a video game when I was a kid called NBA Jams, that Marv Albert was the voice of, just all of these, you know, if a player was dunking from far away, he'd be like, from down, down, you know, in Marv Albert's voice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, there, you're just giving, like, lines for Mark, the feed Marv Albert to say, to see if I can get

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, is this real life, like, I can't believe this just came together on a Tuesday, out on a random.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just with just like one of those kind of fun things on a movie set where you're just, you just, it can be so much hard work, but that that movie in retrospect just felt like play every day, every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fast forward to, you know, law and order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I'm curious about is if you're on law and order and you're walking down the street, people know you're on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does New York cops relate to y'all?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they, do they watch the show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of, is that kind of like, are they plugged in?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they think it's cool or like, oh, you don't know what it's really like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, at the opposite, I think, um, I think they're, they're very into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very appreciative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never met

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[SPEAKER_02]: one that wasn't excited about it and I've been around some cops that were that are thankful that they're portrayed in a light that they care, that they, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think Dick Wolf does a good job of

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[SPEAKER_02]: presenting that side that I think that they feel like can be missing a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as the drama-based stuff, like, you know, one thing I still have not seen is the the Irishman, you know, this the score says of England, New York, so the being in a score says he film, you, you know, what was that experience like for you to, you know, in DaNero and, you know, and when Joe Pescian that as well, or am I just imagining that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was funny as I knew a little bit of the Irishman because he was from Philadelphia and I knew older people had told stories about before like, and he was a teamster where I, my,

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[SPEAKER_02]: My grandfather was friends with a few of the teamsters that he was with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I knew a little bit about the story and, but when I, when I got the role, you know, I wasn't exactly sure what I was auditioning for and, uh, it was that what was one of those times where I felt very old for the first time because I was very disappointed that I was like, ah, I wanted like a 1940, I wanted to be an a period, I wanted to try something and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was very thankful I was in, but I'm like, I'm going to be in the 90s part of the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't believe it because you got to make a commitment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a three plus hour of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because so our stuff was just with dinner when he was a very old man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I go in for a fitting and I'm like, oh, like, I live during this era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm going to put on a 90 suit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just looked in the mirror, I was like, holy, oh my god, people were just like, I was like, oh my god, a part of my life feels like a period of time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I feel like I'm getting older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, yeah, in that weirdest thing when you look at pictures of what you were wearing in the 90s and that phrase I've said, I was last couple of chats I've had is like if you look,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you don't look back on yourself in your 20s and think you were a knucklehead, you're still a knucklehead, but when you do look back, oh, what was I yeah, what was I think and yeah and the fact weren't too outrageous because me we went through the 80s, I mean, you know, that was pretty pretty out there, but what's

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[SPEAKER_01]: not necessarily easier for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what is it that you prefer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the on camera or is the off camera?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What, where is, where do you feel the work, you know, the second part of the question is, where do you feel the workload the most?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you are on camera, do you feel like, okay, this is a lot of, or is it when you're sitting down, blinking cursor, trying to write something and come up and be creative?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I always feel, you know, a lot of the projects where you have to wear a three hats on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always like, oh, well, I have to be here for every shot or I'm at video village from, you know, the whole time and the actors get to go home when they're done their scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I always assumed it was, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the reverse, but I think when you're just an actor all the time, it is, I feel it is more mentally draining than for me personally than being there on set because I get a charge out of meeting the new actor on set, I get a charge of making things work and it kind of revives you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like with the acting, you're just there to give, you give, you give, and then, you know, hope it works out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for me personally, I feel like just the acting is to me as the most grueling part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is we kind of wrap up one of the things I love doing is something I call my seven questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do this with everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little extra fun, a little extra get to know you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always like talking food at least one time during our show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious, is a fairly guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your favorite comfort food?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you a great day, Crimey Day, either way, is just like just the dislands for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, yeah, I think that's influenced by a lot of my friends, especially my friends, mothers, I would have to say Italian, I, that's my Italian is, is, is the comfort for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything in particular?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, there's nothing like just a great sauce and then all a pasta after, like, I was Friday night, I was chasing a guy for about four different setups and 10 degree weather and nothing feels better than that when you're done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you having the real deal of Italian food is, you know, I'm quite invious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next question is, now if you're going to have for a few hours sit down, have a cup of coffee or two or three with three people living or not, who are those three people be you would like to be sitting at the table with for a few hours having a conversation and talking story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: living or not, oh, that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say Amy Schumer's and I have a great great time together and we kind of use each other to kind of touch base into reality so that that she's always a good anchor for me and then the other I think there's this bar

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[SPEAKER_02]: that everyone's trying to save in New York right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Jimmy's Corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the owner who had passed during COVID, his name was Jimmy Glenn, and he is a kind of boxing cut man manager legend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's sort of a Harlem legend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a guy who

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[SPEAKER_02]: like Miles Davis as his best man at his wedding, it's just this kind of colorful, wonderful life, and he was just always full of mesmerizing stories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of the stuff Amy and I worked on, we kind of dreamed up in that bar, so I think that would be a fun, fun threesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody else you'd like to add into that, into that mix?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just love being around funny, do like somebody like Colin Quinn or somebody that is just a joy to be around and I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Judd is just, we're just so, I found myself interested in so many of the things he was interested in and we kind of bonded in that way that would just be just a fun, fun table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd love to be at that table next to y'all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of eavesdrop on on what y'all got going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now, to go back to the next question, go back to when you were a kid, who's your very first celebrity crush?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Celebrity, you mean like an admiration?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it could be an admiration or someone who you're like, but you mean like a female crush that's happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A crush on this girl and the co-agre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't you end up with didn't the co-agre, didn't she end up doing a Baywatch or am I imagining that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something, yes, I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up in an acting class with her in the LA when I was in LA for a little period and I took this acting class.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we did as seen together and that was very surreal, but I kept that buried deep.

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[UNKNOWN]: You got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're those moments like I'm a professional but they might entertain these going this is awesome now if you were to live on an exotic island you know you're gonna be there for an entire year somewhere you want to be it's not rough living you know you're not there with Wilson the volleyball or anything

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no streaming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to watch him, you'll only get one movie to watch all your long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got a DVD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can bring with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you also have an album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to over and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's one DVD or one CD or I'll even see like a box set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's all you can bring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you taking to the island with you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: One DVD.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, this is, this is, these are always my hardest questions because I could do one per decade, but, um, I think, uh, I think I would have, I'd think I'll have to stay on the Jimmy Cagney theme and I think I'd have to say angels with dirty faces in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not familiar with it, but I love hearing about, this is how I find out about things and need to go check out is when I talk with folks or like, they mentioned something I haven't seen before and I'm like, I'm going to go check that out now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something about this movie to me that the device of the ending of this movie, where it's, Pat O'Brien is his best friend growing up, and they're getting trouble as kids, and they go in two different directions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Jimmy Cagney, of course, becomes the crime boss, and Pat O'Brien becomes the priest, and Pat O'Brien's in charge of these kids, and these kids are worshiping Jimmy Cagney, and he's going to the electric chair,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and says, please, can you just not go out of hero for these kids?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never get them back, the worship you forever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets into a fight and he sends his best friend away and then the march to the electric chair, he starts to break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have to decide whether he's doing it for his friend or it, that's really, it's he's really going through it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the movie doesn't tell you and it just makes you choose what you want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always infasinate it by the end of that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's something about that era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I was watching something, I was looking, don't even know how to stumble across it is on YouTube as Margot Robbie was, I guess she bartended in Australia and she was talking about her, making a few of her favorite drinks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was talking about how she loved watching movies back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just shot them differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the technical, the way they could set up camera shots, and you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the wide and when they went in for a touch, their movies are just made different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, the way they costuming it, it was just a different, and I was like, you know, I never really thought about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the way they did close up, were just these, you know, it was just different, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something special about that era, which is kind of fun to rediscover it, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like I love hearing about these movies, because now I gotta go,

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[SPEAKER_01]: see if Turner classic movies has this now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got to go through some rummaging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, next question, if you were to say, okay, today is a perfect day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the component parts for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would be in a perfect day for you from beginning to end?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the things that are kind of the recipe for that perfect day?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you were asking about acting or directing and producing things like that, like my experience from directing and producing has just been with friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we would do Insight Amy Schumer, we would be able to get all these friends on, we would be able to get these actors that we wanted to work with on and it was that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think a creative day for me were we kind of kind of explore them and I had this day like on my first season on SPU as this character were

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the morning, I was shooting a scene with Amy Schumer and Cola Scholar, and the episode was about something very personal that happened to me that we were able to put out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at lunch, I got in a van, and I rode to SVU, and I was with IST and prostitutes on City Street, New York, and I couldn't imagine of a more polar opposite day, or a more

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[SPEAKER_02]: everything happening to me coming together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think I think it's a very, very, very feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very full day, but it's very fun day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I hit yourself and go, I get to do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my gig.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all the time, all the time, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think for me, it was like whether we were doing it in a small theater for just to challenge ourselves or there where there's a lot at stake, you know, you're responsible for a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think,

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[SPEAKER_02]: just watching other people shine or being able to come together and get something to elevate is just the high that I chase all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm invious right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, last couple of questions I got one of them is, if you weren't doing this, if somebody said, yeah Kevin, the whole acting thing is not possible for you anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would be the next thing that you'd be like, this is what I want to do, this is what brings you joy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I hadn't had this question before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a big bill-ass per question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he would make every body in the class, close their eyes, and try to think and detail about what it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: whenever they came up with something very specific, he invited them to use the door because this business will make you quit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't have an answer to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think when I was younger, I probably had said, I'd like to be like a boxer or that was like Martin, the sport I was most interested in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they say if you can imagine yourself, I've heard before that, is he had imagined yourself doing something else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything that acting probably isn't for you, but if you can't imagine doing anything else, that this is, you know, it's worth the effort.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost the compulsion than it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well the last question I got for you if you can jump into that delorean and you can cruise back to when you were 16 years old and you've got a piece of advice for yourself either to take that moment of your life and make it a little bit better or to put yourself on a little different trajectory or just a piece of advice to 16-year-old you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would that be?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think sometimes we we think there's this some kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: fans were being shot out of, you know, like some fans would like if we can just get over it into this business and to like them and things will come and everything and you'll be accepted and this is but until you're over that fence, you never feel like you're there, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would just advise myself that it's just a marathon and that never happens and what gets you there is just putting your mind to the things that matter to you, the creative work that matters to you and to culminate the people that matter to you around you because it's really through the network you make and the relationships you make that those are the things

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but telling the young man to be patient, that's, uh, that's a challenge right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Kevin, man, thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, gonna check you out on, uh, Law and Order SVU, who you and, uh, iced tea and the, uh, prostitutes and I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, a real quick anything, uh, any, any projects going to be coming out outside of, uh, outside of that, anything in the pipeline?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, you know, we're shooting SVU for another couple of months, and then I have a couple of things that I'm hoping to jump on soon, but it's still working that out right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, Amanda, go have yourself a wonderful rest of your week, and hopefully we'll have an opportunity to catch up down the line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds good, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great talking to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Kane really enjoyed the sit down real cool guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course you can check them out on Law and Order SVU.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is on NBC and of course just a real cool guy to sit down and talk with really enjoyed the conversation.

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