Ken Leung | Raised by Acting

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[SPEAKER_04]: Mickey Mouse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's your host, Mark Preston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, here we go, another episode of Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, glad to have you back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it greatly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if this is your very first episode, well, welcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for taking an opportunity to check out this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, fun conversation really enjoyed sitting down with actor Ken Lung.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ken, he's been around forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been on stage on Broadway, film, TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On film, he's been in rush hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been in Star Wars, the Force Awakens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been, uh, an all kinds of great projects, uh, TV, like the sopranos, and one of my favorite shows of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: lost he played miles and he's in the new season of industry on HBO and HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is on right now season four is out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We covered a lot of ground had a great conversation really enjoyed sitting down with Ken and if course of course I'd ask him questions about lost I'm like a fanboy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's jump right into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today is Ken Lung Day right here on Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark are you in LA right now or you I'm in New York you're in New York okay is that home base for you Brooklyn is home Yeah, so y'all y'all got a new mayor and everything and things are you know buzzing and yeah She's she's up there right now in fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's doing she did a semester abroad and just got back and

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[SPEAKER_01]: two seconds later she wanted to go up to New York and hang out with one of the friends she met on the semester abroad So she'd had her very first new year is a New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's always wanted to go up there when it's snowing Where was she abroad?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She she started off in Berlin which she loved and then she went to London which not as much and then she went to Milan but every weekend she was on a plane or a train.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like how I mean 19 years old again just kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Traveling Europe and I'm sure the photo album we're going to have a have to have a long photo out a slight photo roll watching exactly exactly my kids and I during COVID we power watched lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are teenagers where at home and we're trying to find something as a family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that series is designed to be watched in a very compressed amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were watching at least two episodes a day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I tell them I'm going to talk to you, they're going to be, well, I know my son's going to be very jealous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: You watched all six seasons in just like a mint there's kind of like yeah You ever see them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is 40 mod appetit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know jet appetails daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was that's mean And this is 40 when she's just on my pad watching it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She gets the very last episode I'm like that was those my kids like every day is like we're watching two episodes It's it's a ride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a right it was a great show But I'm I'm thinking if it was referenced and this is 40 and this is 40s a while back and like how long when it was the last season of loss?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was recent, there was a 20-year anniversary recently, I believe, so early odds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird as you're getting older, I could say something was the other day and it could have been months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like my reference point, I was thinking of a guest I had on the, and I was said, oh, it's just a few months ago, it was two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my reference point at time is kind of all shaken here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's because our minds can only hold so much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why, you know, at the end, not to get all,

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[SPEAKER_04]: somber suddenly, but at the end when people say, God, that was so fast, like it did, you know, it just all flew by.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not that it flew by, it's that we can only hold so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can only hold so much stuff of real value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of the BS, some of the, because when you're younger, you're, everything's, I've read something about this the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the psychology of it, but everything's new to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so as you get older, the only things you tend to retain are the things that are new, which think about your day-to-day life,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we don't encounter as much new stuff, but I also have this philosophy, and I'm kind of moving away for, I don't know about you in social media, but for me, I'm like, I'm kind of moving a little bit away from it because it's just kind of, I think we're designed to be, like, not a tribe, but evolutionarily speaking, we're meant to know really no more than maybe 100 people, or something I forgot what there was a theory behind that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you have literally so many more people, it's a lot more interactions, and maybe they're not as quiet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rain is funny stuff outworks, but are you originally a New York kid or is that where you're from?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that your original home base?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Born and raised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Brooklyn or did you grow up in the city?

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I grew up in Lower East Side slash Chinatown for all of the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then we moved to Midwood, Brooklyn when I was nine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I was there till high school and we moved to New Jersey where my parents are now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I went to NYU, so I moved back into the city.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You grew up in the 70s in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a whole different kind of New York than now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot grittier, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was little, so I don't have, you know, my memories of it are really, I remember the black out of 77 I think it was.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I remember time square, seeing King Kong there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I remember,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, radio city had this live piano player, so I'll puff the magic drag in there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I remember Chinatown when it was full of movie theaters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There isn't a single one left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Chinatown still very much, because I know like little Italy, I was like, who are you watching?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Anthony Bourdain or Andrew Zimmer is somebody up there that things are kind of changing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, little Italy isn't like as Italian as it once was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Has there been that much of a change up there?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not in terms of, I mean, it's still Chinese, it's just new businesses and a lot, a lot of small businesses have closed down because of COVID.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, not only COVID, but COVID created this kind of there was all this anti Asian violence for a spell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so a lot of places went out of business.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's still the vibe of it is still the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where you know where your parents were they born here or you the first generation in your family?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm the first generation to be born here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They came from Southern China.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they were in there either late teens or early 20s.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know very little about my parents' story actually.

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[SPEAKER_04]: really, because they're very reluctant to talk about it, they're very they're reluctant to talk period.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not communicators, partially why I do this at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And something about, you know, growing up, I would ask them about their

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[SPEAKER_04]: where, you know, back home, what it was like when they were kids, and I always, I got a sense that it was not, first of all, they didn't like talking about it, and it was, there was a sense that they were,

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[SPEAKER_04]: like they never wanted to go visit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like they want to close the door on that and move beyond it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's very enter it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, my son is dating a young lady from Vietnam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mentioned Anthony more than a moment ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember he did an episode in Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had some Korean chefs and folks on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like there is, you know, culturally when folks came over here, they really want you to do better, you know, it was there like a big push for you to do things that are, you know, of course acting is, I don't think on top of the list necessarily, but were they wanting you to have a professional idea, like in mind, like they want you to be an account in a doctor professor or something like that, or were they, was that even

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they just wanted me to be okay in a country where they were struggling to make friends with themselves, so they didn't really know what okay meant.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so maybe predictably they wanted me to be in a profession that was reliable and sure, like any parents, you know, doctor, lawyer, whatever, things, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: so they took to me being an actor very, you know, they didn't like it at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they understood it enough to have a specific feeling about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just kind of a general.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, show business is not reliable, famously so, okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, and to this day, you know, we never talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They never ask me how I'm doing, what I'm doing, how it's going, I've been at it for like, you know, 20, 30 years now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so there's a gulf between us as far as as far as that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My dad, when he wasn't before he was retired, he was a high school,

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[SPEAKER_04]: a math teacher, and so a lot of his students would ask about me, and he would talk about he would talk to them about it, ask me for pictures and autographs for students, but it never went deeper than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he start thinking how well?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe kids don't something kind of cool on me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think his kids think he's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way for me to know how he felt about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that he knows what he feels about it because he knows so little about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With other kids of Chinese descent of your generation, did they have a similar experience to you as far as parents not wanting to, you know, they kind of closed the chapter on China.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or was it, you know, did you find similarities with other kids who were, you know, were they race similarly to you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think to a degree, it was similar, but like I said, their personalities,

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[SPEAKER_04]: are very, they're hard to, they're closed kind of people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, how much is that is because of where they're from, you know, they're upbringing, how much of it is just how they were, how they came out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know very much about them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of did 180 degrees, your ultra-expressive and a storyteller.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I attempt to be.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I became an actor to learn how to be.

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[SPEAKER_04]: part of this world and a person who is not closed and because I'm their son, that's hard for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It takes some doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I saw acting as, you know, a safe space to meet people, to learn what it is to be in somebody's presence, how what you and I are doing

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[SPEAKER_04]: what to do with my feelings, what are feelings?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, and I've said this before, I have felt like acting kind of raised me in that respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the people you got had an opportunity to work around a lot of times we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know many, many years are going to work in radio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some people you kind of latch on to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They make sense to you and you're kind of learn something from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there anybody in your acting ecosystem that you kind of, you kind of came into your own little bit easier by kind of watching them or communicating that maybe they had bits of advice for you or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess so through the years, but I see acting as, um,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't see it as something that I have down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I see it kind of as a new thing each time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And talking this conversation right now is teaching me stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're dealing with the tech, dealing with the tech that we had is teaching me, well, this could very easily throw me off or throw Mark off and how do we find ourselves?

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[SPEAKER_04]: How do we stay connected?

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[SPEAKER_04]: or connect, despite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you said, you sound inherently curious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you are?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you think you've just got naturally curious guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you kind of an kind of an explorer mentality?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or am I kind of reading kind of accurately?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think I'm curious.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that I'm any more curious than the next guy, but I think I have the luxury of people wanting to ask me questions and our curious about what I do, not everyone gets that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm very lucky in that respect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm responding to that accordingly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you study acting?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was this something that you tried to do form a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_04]: A little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I went to school, not for acting, but for I was in NYU's pre-physical therapy program.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and part of the requirements for that was a speech class and during that speech class, a classmate noticed that I liked, part of the class was that we had to act out skits and he noticed that I really took to that part and suggested that I take acting, and he's like, yeah, you should take intro to acting and see what it's, see what it's like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You seem to like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I did that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I took a couple of intro to acting classes at NYU and I had a teacher Katherine Russell who was kind of a very practical minded teacher and taught us this is what a resume looks like, this is what to expect in an audition.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So just go out there, put yourself out there and see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I did that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I didn't have a formal schooling as far

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[SPEAKER_04]: program.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I took a couple of classes and I learned from doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did a lot of plays, took another class at HP Studio with Anne Jackson, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But to this day, I see it, it's kind of a classroom that doing of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny to say that because I think if you were to stack your resume up against any other working actor, you've had a wonderful constellation of different kind of work, different kind of experiences

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you're still kind of in that learning, you know, eternal, the eternal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I could also say that I've lived almost 56 years of days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that should mean that tomorrow, I should master tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know that necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It depends on what it brings me, depends on which side of what side of bed I wake up on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's kind of like a parrot though, you know, like you could know everything like today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was my kids were younger, um, I'll say the 13.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can know everything about how to be a father of a 13 year old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got this man, I'm throwing myself a parade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm master father.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the next day they're a day older and everything changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so yeah, that's one of the things I learned over time is that that's a great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always just kind of, it's like a wave, you know, just the same wave, but it looks different time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a swell to the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, not only is it different, you're different in every moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's always now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's always now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even if you've done it, it's seemingly have done it forever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're always starting all over again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of acting creates an environment that acknowledges that actually.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I love it for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What a great way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never really thought of it in that regard that there is a philosopher in Alan Watts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're familiar with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, love Alan Watts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a deep respect for Eastern culture and religion, his mother, I think diplomats, the children of diplomats from like a China.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did, that was the genesis of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he talked about the eternal now, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're always living in now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think acting's unique because you can sort of trap something and sort of like a jewel box for a moment, you know, like you can capture a moment and kind of live in that through multiple takes, you know, over and over again, especially, but yeah, that's a really wonderful way of looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Going back to your experience, though, when you first started working,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you started feeling that you had some traction where you kind of like setting, not necessarily goals, but we like, you know, I really want to do this genre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to work with this kind of director.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have this, did you start setting goals or are you just kind of writing the way and see where it took you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know how long I was going to be able to do it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to be in it as far as long as it would have me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And when I was starting out that meant place and theater,

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[SPEAKER_04]: And sure, as an actor, as a young actor, you're always like, wow, what would it be like to be in a movie or a TV show?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, a lot of New York actors have low on order, is their entry into the union.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I did a couple of those, and you know, that led to other things,

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[SPEAKER_04]: then I got rush hour.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The reason I got rush hour was because I was in a play where I had to bleach my hair blonde for the play.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I auditioned with blonde hair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I believe that is why I got that role.

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[SPEAKER_04]: One of the main reasons why I got that role.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then that things lead to other things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: with a little bit of luck, you know, circumstantial things like the bleached hair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I just kept at it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't so much premeditated.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like, this is, I'm going to set myself a goal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then see if I can reach it, this field,

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[SPEAKER_04]: doesn't really, doesn't lead you to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're lucky to be in it for a day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: A second day is not promised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To this day, that's how I see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've landed a lot of things that I kind of kind of mark is like, no, I don't see pivotal, but really kind of really cool, not like cool projects, but like, was there anyone you worked with that you're like, oh, this makes sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're,

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[SPEAKER_01]: as a director.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they're doing aligns kind of with the way I like to approach this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, was there anything that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you were to send you a little Matt really.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we did a thing called strip search.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was right after 9.11.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was based on the government, you know, big brother.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was based on the loss of civil liberties, and suddenly everyone's looking closer at everything because of the fear of terrorism.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Had a chance to work with him previous to that on 21 Center Street that showed that he did,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I couldn't do it for some reason, so I worked with him on strip search, but that's one of the first, one of the first books I read was something he wrote, uh, making movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was captivated about it like he just talked about like how he starts his day and getting in the car with a driver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, it was just what a great experience that must have been to be with, you know, some of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a remet because he's very, you know, when when he auditions you, he's not watching you read with another actor.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He, he is the other actor.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He reads with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the reason he does that is because all he cares about is the connection.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you really talking to him?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And once he registers that you're really talking to him and not executing some plan that you rehearsed in your bathroom, he's done, he doesn't need any more of the audition, he stops it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I love that about him because I know he's watching very closely.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's very present.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's registering if I'm engaged or not engaged, you know, he's that kind of a director.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I love that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And just general, he's a very warm, almost paternal kind of presence on his set, very encouraging and very important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My apologies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a year and a half gold retriever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually he's upstairs, but now he's kind of graduated being down here with me, but he's so cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How I'm glad he's in the room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he's on the sofa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's looking out the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's using his knees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he's like, well, if we live on an island, I call self-pudry island, and they're all the people they use our street to get to the beach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he watches people go to the beach and he, like, let's talk to them to Anna.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's very, he's very social, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but so, you know, of course, I'm not trying to do a tour of your resume, but there are a few specific notes of course, lost, you know, I think you're the first,

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[SPEAKER_01]: first actor who I've spoken with, who's been on, who was on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you were first in many of us, I think there's somebody in there somewhere, but after all these episodes, I'm like, okay, I have to, you know, that might be my memory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you auditioned for that, I'm assuming you just kind of a standard audition, or you told you about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did an audition for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Really?

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Carlton, Carlton Cues, and Damon Lindelof, I said Cameron, because we're just talking about Cameron Crowe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they saw Cypronos, they, you know, the way they made lost was they found actors that they got a sense, oh, let's see what they can bring, something about this actor is interesting, let's bring them to the island and see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't so much even...

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's how they generally did things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't so much, we have this role.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's defined this way, who fits that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They kind of went in the reverse.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, let's have the role be kind of formless.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but we know we want, we know we have a slot here for it that we want somebody to fill.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now let's look for who is interesting to us and they saw my episode of sopranos and, uh, liked it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they called me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So there was no, there was no audition and not even much of a, there was a brief chat before I left to go to go there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did they even tell you anything about, I mean, I don't even know how they would and as quick chat explain what the show is about.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, the chat was to prepare me to not have information.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We just want you to come, be present, and let's see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We have a vague idea of this role, you know, your part of this freighter team and this and that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I didn't come away from that call with any real idea of what was gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because your character in the show was not one of the original crash, the people crash in a plane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You came on, I came on season four, four, five, six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I loved about that show was, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an ensemble of course, but there were multiple, of course, yet the hatch, you know, what was going on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But was it there a space of time where you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was kind of in further into the show where y'all were kind of living in the past and for lack of that way of putting it in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We jumped.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We jumped time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was we had flash backs and then we had flash forwards and then we had flash sideways.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we played with time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: generally as a kid loves being around the beach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that like to kind of, you know, beyond the island, you're working on this project, you are sort of on your own figurative island because people aren't coming, but you know, what was what was the experience of making that show like?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean it got a groove just on lost, but I mean it was a very pivotal very big show for its time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it evolved.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, what it was like evolved because it started, you know, I had never been to Hawaii before.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a city boy, um, and it was, you couldn't find a more different environment that I was used to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was a fish out of water there, um, and.

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[SPEAKER_04]: because I didn't have information on what I was playing, and I was a young actor who kind of felt like I needed to know things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had kind of a hard time in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how day players came in or a week player isn't even understood what the heck was going on, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You settled into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was your character, everybody evolved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's what made the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every character kind of evolved through relationships and through you thought they're crazy, but they actually had their stuff together in vice versa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a well executed show, and I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, with streaming and all that, I don't know if a show like lost could really exist again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have big shows like, you know, stranger things might hit or something, you know, but when you only had those few networks and you had appointment viewing and everybody on this night was going to watch the show, you know, watching parties and things like that, what was that kind of a heavy thing for you to be a part of or even kind of cognizant of of the weight of the show in the moment?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, once I got past that beginning discomfort of being on an island, being on a show that is such a mystery, once I got past that, because I did get past that, then it was

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[SPEAKER_04]: it was a ball.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, um, it was just the time of my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't, I can't, I can't even imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am so incredibly invious because I can't imagine being an actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I almost seems like you're kind of a summer camp a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Skyload away with these folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know for a while people, what was the Dartmouth Society?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that the name of the thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: People, yeah, there were things on the base, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There they go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was such a, it was such a great show because you didn't know it was coming, but did you collect anything?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know on eBay, people were selling like beer cans and all of them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a beer can, I have a beer can, yeah, what else do I have?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I have little things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to, I'd have to look.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the beer can, I remember the beer can because I had to empty it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just a few years ago, I was going through my box of souvenirs from different things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I noticed the canon, it had whatever was in it, and it was just disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was leaking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just messing up my other stuff, so I had to clean it up and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, you go from a show like that that that that we're now let's fast forward now we're in the kind of the streaming era where cable, you know, of course, Ranger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a hot mess, I apologize.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's wanted to talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has to understand why people can't come in and play with us, you know, he's a sweet guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's funny though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, he, he will listen when I'm talking to folks and he knows when I'm rapping out, but he's like, oh, it's time to play now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but you can tell by your tone yeah, I coach voice over also and when I'm at the session when I coach them on my students he'll he'll know they'll stand up and I'll put his pause and my shoulder like I'll give I don't know what he reads, but he reads very well he reads your energy

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the only thing that it makes sense to me what he's up to, but it's so interesting that you coach voiceovers that's such a non, non, obvious art.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think people because it is, I think it's all acting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It uses all the same acting skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people I've worked with some actors now, even.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, this is kind of like the Myzener method.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I say, well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like being a kid, use your imagination because you don't have another acting, being reacting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have somebody there with you to balance you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all imagination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was working with some Disney channel kids and they got nothing but it, you know, when you're a kid, you got full imagination and it's easy for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know when you get a little older, it's harder to kind of like, I guess, access that make believe, you know, so that's why I like working with the kids because they remind me how to stay goofy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I think it's what was really cool kind of last big, hey, they have big, you know, big forward network programming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're fast forward now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you're being on industry, which with season four, it's season four, correct?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're developing a, you know, a big following.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but it is a, well, let me ask you a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think your character is a lot different than, let's say, the character, let's go back to loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel he's a lot different?

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know as far as like internally what's what's you know going out yeah he he's you're very you're very you're very measured you know your character in industry yeah and the first episode you did mention something uh i don't like giving spoilers but you did kind of reference the age things in perspective and i thought that was kind of intro and the first first second episode it towards the end of the episode

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're a, you mean of the series of season four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I see, I see.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When season four opens, I'm retired, which is different from the previous three seasons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So age and this particular phase in his life is very prominent, whereas it wasn't so before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm just kind of coming into learning more about industry in watching, really enjoying it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a lot going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a very dense show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not just subject matters being covered, but the personalities and the granted, I'm starting off a season four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back and watch all of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm hooked now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there any prep for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there any like, let me watch, you know, Michael Douglas and was, was Wall Street, what was M.O.E.U.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was in?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We try to look, were you looking for your Mount Rushmore?

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are either fictitious or real-world financial guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, because it was such a foreign world, I knew that I needed to find something that came from me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It couldn't be something I was emulating or mimicking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That would, I mean, would only get you so far.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I needed to kind of find where his drive came from in a way that I could understand.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so first that meant that I had to forgive myself for not knowing much about finance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had to see it in a way

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[SPEAKER_04]: where I did, I did know everything about this world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had to own the world or find a way to think of the world in a way that I can own it, in a way that the, you know, can the actor didn't not knowing anything about finance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I had to kind of go inside and not look for models outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it seems like that everyone in that ecosystem or sort of like the people behind the curtain kind of, sort of like in this current political climate we're in, we're imagining these are maybe the people all behind the scenes we're pulling levers and doing things that I'm happy when I balance my trickbook, you know, so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, looking at this character and looking at, you know, again, I, I'm not as acquainted with the earlier seasons, not people are listening to this going, oh, you got to go watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, which I'm going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Four seasons are almost like four different shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the biggest challenge for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was just like you say, just kind of finding your hook like this is the argument we're handled along to going.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That was that was the the first challenge and the biggest challenge.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After that, I guess to re-enter that space, every couple of years, was a little challenging, because in between, you know, you do other stuff, you live your life, so it took some re-entering.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had created a kind of very specific space, and a very specific mine set to play this role, and it was something I had to come in and out of over six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you talk about your career and you're still kind of figuring it out, like you've had nice stretches on some really great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been super, super lucky.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm never going to stop figuring it out or trying to figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's part of the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just like we are never going to stop living, trying to live our best life be the best person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We never stop that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're never gonna as we as we evolve, you know, that's where we'd be the best person in this moment and both for Exactly, you know, just one of the quickly touch on the project Hill Mary, which I wasn't coming out March The trailers alone on this this this film I'm like I don't want to know too much about it because I love that feeling of not knowing a lot with jumping and going Yeah, yeah, I saw you

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of a vine trouble isn't that it was fun to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A little over year ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have worked together a couple times, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm not mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me and her?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was our first thing together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Within the ecosystem of the film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were do you kind of come in on this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Me, her and Ryan are a team of three that go on Project Hail Mary.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's all I want to know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I may have already told you more than I should have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's coming out in March and do you have anything coming up after that that anything in 2026?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm going to start in a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, a new show that for the first time is going to be shot here in New York.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that'll be fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to say anything about it since we haven't even started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I always look, I'm one of these people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like knowing too much about, which is a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do this, but I love being surprised.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what's funny as a callback to lost?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I went from wanting to know everything, or as much as I could, to what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I like knowing as little as possible, because then I'm really engaged with what is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This, you know, and you don't want that part of your brain kicking in that predicts what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, it's just like you just want to kind of like be in that moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, like Alan Watts says, you know, if you're, if you're not here now and you're always thinking of the future, when you get to the future, you're not going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing about Alan Watts, I remember is like, because I'm always always people planning, planning, planning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's like a kick-stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they take a walk on the beach and just like letting my brain just, you know, empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of being in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Part of that is to be kind to yourself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like don't kick yourself for not being present.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like be kind to be, okay, okay, I wasn't present.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now I am, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think kindness is part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my call my seven questions kind of rapid fire a little fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always talk food at least once and I always ask first question What's your favorite comfort food?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Graeme or Guaftaya or something that just makes you feel good?

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[SPEAKER_04]: bitter melan It's also called ambalaya in Tagalog And it's a gourd.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's ugly

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[SPEAKER_04]: but and it's medicinal so some you know yeah either you love it or you hate it and then it's kind of like a big bumpy cucumber it's kind of like a big bumpy cucumber is the perfect description.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean once you acquire a taste for it it's you can't get enough of it and I think it's really good for you

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[SPEAKER_04]: That medicinal kind of bitter taste.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That next question, to God, if you're going to sit down three people, you and three people have coffee, talk story for a few hours, living or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are those three people be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness, it's down with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My brother, who passed 13 years ago, my brother?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would say Alan Watts only because we're talking about him and not only because but because we're talking about him I would say yes to that and Mickey Mouse I don't know what it's like to not be a person but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just like landed on the mood of creating a whole new like yeah, that's a great Yeah, what's it like you were all Mickey Mouse people get it people draw you and stuff I like we traveled to alternate universe and we just did a flash sideways Very nice now now if you're to go back when you're a young guy who who is your very first celebrity crush?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what a great question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my goodness my very first

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, I don't know if this is first, but Mary Lou Retton had the biggest crush on Mary Lou Retton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, without a doubt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're of that generation and Mary Lou's sweetheart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1984 Olympics, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1984 Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now next question, if you're to be on an exotic island, okay, in your case, let's say you're living in the hatch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be there for a full full year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could bring one DVD and watch one movie over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And listen to one album over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would that DVD be and what would that see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rocky, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rocky, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were you to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember which one which what happened in Rocky.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's the one where he has a baby It's the what it's the rematch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah That's when he actually ends up becoming friends with called a flower.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no That's no, he'd they become friends in three.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, two is when they get married he and an Adrian has problems during childbirth and falls into a coma

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[SPEAKER_04]: their baby is born.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He gets the he doesn't want to have the rematch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't want to fight or she doesn't want him to fight anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she doesn't hear a sense of seeing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, now I'm going to go back every watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, music wise, though, what's that CD going to be for you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That CD would be the Akash.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I lost this CD and I've just been broken up over losing it, because I don't remember the exact name, but it's a John Cole train live.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's in Berlin or something, but it's black.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say black bird, it's called something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That seems like that would work really well in the hatch though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, fire, but cup of coffee, yeah, yeah, some cold train on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That actually, especially when you consider the aesthetic of the that mid-century vibe of, you know, of the hatch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it feels people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah those two things now definition of the of a perfect day for you beginning to end what are the primary component parts of a day that you can define going this is a perfect day for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh any day that I get to spend the whole day with my son and my wife we you know it's just a three of us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and we're very tight, and I travel so much, you know, I have to leave them so often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is nice, next project, I'm gonna be shooting at a New York, I'm gonna be nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so excited for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Also curious, because what is that gonna be, you know, sometimes it's as hard as it is to be away, it's also useful to be away.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, because you're creating a space specific to the thing you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So what happens when that space is home, that that's going to be- And if your son gets a little bit older, he's going to have this whole library of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be able to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is what Dad was up to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some things make your art age appropriate for him right now, but most things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you weren't doing this for a living next question, what would you be doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If this was not an option for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean if I could do anything, if I could do anything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to be, I would love to be some kind of musician.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Very, very important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What instrument?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What instrument?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trump it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good, very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last question, God for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a Gen X kid, so you know the delorean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can go jump in it and you go back to when you're 16 years old, piece of advice, you can give yourself at that moment to say, you know, make that moment better or to set yourself on a little bit different path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would that piece of advice be?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, Mark, these are amazing questions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Jeez.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: listen and trust the voice inside of you that's wonderful my friend i i very much enjoy the opportunity to sit down with you hopefully we'll have an opportunity to catch up down the line this has been more than a pleasure i wish you nothing but the best and uh i'm going to go enjoy the rest of uh all four seasons of uh industry now thank you brother i'll talk to you next time

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ken Lung, this conversation was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I told you I was going to fanboy out on the whole lost thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad he indulged me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've lied to know he's got a beer candid home, a Dharma initiative of beer can that warms my soul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a lot of fun chatting with Ken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The new season of industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, so I'm going to get on out of here, have myself a little bite to eat for dinner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is dinner time, and I'm always doing this right before I eat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for stopping by another great episode coming up soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I always say, from the heart, thank you so much for making what I've got going on here, part of whatever you've got going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see you next time right here on Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it for this episode of Story and Craft.

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