D.B. Sweeney | Crafting His Recipe

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had met somebody who's like a role model, like Bobby Flay, who looked like girls with lycum, or you know Gordon Ramsay, these guys are very charismatic, they're almost like movie star-esque themselves, like if I had met somebody like that, early in my cooking days, I'm not going down that pathway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's your host, Mark Preston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another episode of Story and Craft, did I appreciate you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if this is your very first episode, well, thank you so much for checking out the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really enjoy sitting down, talking story with some intriguing folks every episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And today, no different sitting down with actor, D.B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sweeney.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a new film protector, but you probably know D.B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sweeney from the cutting edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The movie came out with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moira Kelly about a hockey player and a figure skater getting together for the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, eight men out of the baseball movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he was with Thomas Jane in that film and Thomas was just on with us a few weeks back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, also talking about his work with Francis Ford Copla, his work is a chef.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's get after it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today is DB Swiny Day on Story and Craft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, where are you at today, my friend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am in dripping springs, Texas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where that is, and I'm in Texas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on South Padre Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a beautiful place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a Southwest of Austin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's sort of, you know, it's what Austin used to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: back when it was a little weird or I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love the bumper sticker, you know, keep Austin weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that where you live now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I just, my, my in-laws are here and my, my nephew has, he's got his last, he's a senior in high school and he's a big soccer player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is his last sort of really meaningful game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just came in to see the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very well, you're a good uncle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a very good uncle now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you where you live full-time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nashville.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why this is registering in my mind, but are you wherever a Chicago kid or am I?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I moved in Nashville three years ago before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was about eight or nine years in Chicago suburbs, Hensdale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good, good, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I know a lot of folks are actually it's funny Nashville and Austin seem to be where a lot of people are moving from LA never made it up there And I've always wanted to so, but no, man, I'm really glad you have a chance to sit down today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been you know, I was just talking to I wonder it is

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I could say it was the other day I'm at an age right the other day could have been six months ago But it sucked to read diamond and we were talking about Memphis Bell and it's like every time every time we talk I always bring up Memphis Bell, but that was the first I think that was kind of the first time I became aware I might have seen something before that didn't cutting edge came out before or after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I I the chronology is

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[SPEAKER_01]: about to Memphis Bell was 90 and I think and cutting ice was 92.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Memphis Bell that was such a cool movie and he said y'all did a kind of a boot camp or something to that effect that y'all all kind of got together before filming and y'all were I don't know if it was training or but it was something like am I imagining this or did y'all do something like

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little bit I had already come off of gardens of Stona Vietnam movie and I had trained to do lonesome dove and learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, I arrived kind of ready for my movies and so we got over to England and they had us spend a week or ten days with these retired British SAS guys, which is like maybe seals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my uncle was a navigator in a B-17, so I knew every inch of the plane and I had already gotten hold of like a VHS tape of from Boeing of like how to fly the B-17, so I got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also knew from my uncle, there was no survey, that I think I was survival course with the, you know, the SAS guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's irrelevant because no, you know, like my uncle was a great mathematician, that's why he was picked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they picked little guys for the B-17 who were extremely smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had basically no military training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were sort of like bunch of scientists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, they would be trained on a 50 caliber machine gun and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was a white- why do you think that this is because the targeting of the bomb dropping is in the mathematics behind that, is that the reason why here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the B-17 was in advance piece of technology at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and one of the great things that I found out in researching is that, you know, the idea of the Death Star and Star Wars, like this big spherical thing, that was actually the battle formation for B-17s, like the guns are set up so that they fire in all directions, but when the planes are massed together, all the fields of fire are covered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that Death Star was actually kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: based on, you know, what B-17s would try to do in flight when they were, because they have to go so slow and steady in the last few miles before the bomb run that they're sitting ducks for fighter planes and flag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was part of why they had to have so much gunnery that was, you know, covering all the different fields of fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wasn't your character in the film you weren't you a PR person or something that I've to that effect and you kind of wiggled your way on to that flight is that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a John Lithkeye was a character and he was a great John Lithkeye, but no I wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a crisis of courage you know I thought it was one of those weird arms in my career where I got to pick a part, Michael Cate and Jones the director and I had met previously and he came to Hollywood and he said to me you know pick a part and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well see as a gen X kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I I seem to remember that being sort of the one of the first films all the young gen X actors

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[SPEAKER_00]: where they play, you know, in the 80s or young guys, there's kind of the first quasi-adult thing, like Sean Astin and, you know, and of course you're back with Matthew Modina again in your new project here, but it's kind of geek out as a Gen X kid about Memphis Bell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I keep trying to, you know, every time my kids are in town, I wanna show it, and I can't seem to find that online, or I think I think it's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I found it the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on Al Camus on Prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to pay for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But my son has never seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you gotta see these movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a great film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of universal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, the kids can get into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The adults can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of not really, it wasn't a, you know, a kids film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but it had all the actors who were the kid actors of the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to remember, I don't recall, but you weren't really in any of the Gen X films of the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't, if I recall, I don't think you were ever really in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I correct or maybe, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was kind of Brad Pack adjacent, you know, I was, yeah, he's about to...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say the word adjacent, I'm glad you did, because it kind of felt like you were there, but you weren't really in the films, but you joined up with the guys that were in those films.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was, but that was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How long was filming on Memphis Bell?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're there about five months all together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had a couple of weeks before training and stuff, but the filming itself was really fun because we had six B-17s that were operable and flying every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then 12, Messerschmitt, German fighter planes, and two camera planes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a really old school flying circus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't have enough people to man the guns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had to pantomime the guns when the planes were flying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they let us all go up on the planes when you didn't have dialogue days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd just go up and fly around on the planes until one of the planes crashed on takeoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then everybody was grounded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was a plane like lost or was it just like a broken gear, or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a legit crash, or it had just kind of... Yeah, it's a big gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the legend is that plane was owned by the French government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the planes was owned by or two of them were owned by the British government, one by the French government, and then three of them like two they had thing called Confederate Air Force, which was an organization, and then one was privately owned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the one that was owned by the French government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had French pilots and everything was both very little English and the legend is that these guys were instructed to break the plane because they didn't the French government don't want to be in the b-17 business anymore So they were like we're going to feed and then brought it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think harder than they meant to and

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one of the great ironies of, you know, magnesium at the planes are made in a magnesium, which is the most flammable metal that I know of, but that is just metal at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're all made in a magnesium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it caught fire and it burned up to nothing in about 12 minutes, 14 months all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny mention the confederate air force when I was younger they had a they had the don't mess with Texas camp, and you know don't Litter or whatever right and they had this one seen where basically you see a car on an open high becoming over a hill and I used the car and Smeat throws out like a soft drink like out at the out the window

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then coming up, I mean, I mean, maybe a hundred most 200 feet off the deck, you have a B-17 flying up over like coming after the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a crazy, but I think some of them are actually based down here at a, I believe, Heartland, and the airport down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have some of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm an old aviation, or you know, so I could talk your planes all day, but that was very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I had to, I had to geek out on that a little bit and kind of riff on the, on the Memphis Bell thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I thought I was going to mention to you, I thought I kind of made it as a voiceover guy when I first, um, I'm trying to think back, this is about 19, I don't know, I'm not going to pretend like I know the year, but, uh, you know, you do a lot of voiceover, and of course you remember back before all the voiceover demos and for people who aren't really keyed into voiceover, you have to have your one-minute demo showcasing your stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you used to send CDs and I remember the first year I was with I think with CESD I think you were with them I think that was the agency and I saw as like D.B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Swenie is like, oh, I've made it I'm on the same CD demo with D.B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Swenie, you know, but you've been doing that in narration for for some time What I got to ask is if you oh, guy, what are some of the what are some of the projects you've done that that are kind of marquee that you think are that you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You will have a chance to travel over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was being the voice of Bud Light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did one audition where I said, for the great taste that we'll fill you up and never let you down, make it a Bud Light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they took it and put it on herring 20 commercials over 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just have paid for those for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was about to say those checks probably took care of some business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they still had residuals back then and that was fun and then I was a voice of Lincoln cars for about five years and really me yeah that was fun you get a free car to drive and then don't you don't get to keep it but that was fun and and then Oprah Winfrey had me as her the original promo voice of her network which was really fun and now I'm in year 14 of mountain men on history channel which is a really great show it's about all these guys and gals that live off the grid and kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: catch and skin their own food and make their own clothes and it's really what you said 14 years 14 seasons and geez that's the an voice of returns that's that's ancient like that's a long long time have one gig yeah those promo gigs are fun though oh no I mean I've done a couple of networks and that's that's so much fun that and it's pretty good money but it's it's just I've been doing that for years and there's such a change in the industry happening right now which I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not much work in that area anymore, it's a lot of it is either no voiceover or one line or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you have a studio set up at your house?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That should do all the work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a little remote system that I travel with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I've had a studio in my house since I lost my competitive advantage during COVID because they're in COVID.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody had to have a studio over your business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before that, a lot of people would have to go to their agency to audition and having a studio was a competitive advantage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going back into the origin story though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you said you live in Chicago, but is that where you grew up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that where you're from originally?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I grew up in Long Island, New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My dad was a guidance counselor in high school and my mom was my mom and didn't know anybody in Chobes and you know just sort of got into acting from a theater point of view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I started, I went to NYU and I started trying to do plays there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never cast me so I had to do my own plays with my buddies and so which was really great experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and set up the chairs and hope somebody comes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was really kind of like for the love of the game type experience and uh, and then I started, you know, I got a few jobs in theater and then I got a TV job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was on Spencer for higher with great late Robert Eurick and uh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a flashback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did I see somewhere you went to Tulane?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be a baseball player initially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went there, I was injured, and then I switched to NYU.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That down in New Orleans?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I live for 22 years down there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My son, my daughter, a couple years ago, my son just passed to your graduate from Loyola, which is, you know, it was like, throw a baseball, you could hit it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had this thing, it was funny, they could go share the cafeteria at Tulane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, because...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they would always go over to Tulane to go eat, you know, so it's kind of a neat little ecosystem over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to know what was your favorite part of being down in New Orleans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I started cooking when I was about 13 years old in restaurants on Long Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So by the time I got to Tulane, I'd cooked in about seven or eight restaurants, and I walked into Galatoires in the French Quarter and asked for a job, and they hired me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I cooked there for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really, which people not in the know, just going to Gallo Twas or Antoine to say, you know, hire me that you got to have some bonafetes, you got to have some street cred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But wow, so you cooked at Gallo Twas and you went and played baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, so did you have aspirations going pro?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, like every kid, you know, I mean, I was good player, but I don't know if I was good enough for that, but, you know, everybody's life takes the path that it takes, so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I would have been a double-a player or something and never quit and had a different destiny So I you know everything happens for a reason, but what position did you play play right field?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I played a little second base and then later on I played a season in Australia and I played third base there a little bit third base in left field Switch the other side when you were too late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no theatrical aspiration going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just baseball

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to took an acting class on the side and I was sort of dabbling around that idea a little bit, but it wasn't like, well, this could be a career or anything, because I didn't know anybody in show business, I didn't really seem like a viable pathway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did your folks, what was your input?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you said, hey, mom, dad, I want to do this acting thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it well received or really like it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I had done this one play in high school and like they gave me an award at this university where they had a competition for the high school plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I mean, it wasn't like the craziest idea, but you know, they were very supportive in general, that you know, but I think they were sort of hoping, you know, I'd either be a chef or I'd go to law school or I'd do something where, you know, I would be secure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even a chef, that's its own ecosystem and lifestyle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I got to know, though, what, what, what's your signature dish?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that one thing that you, because I end up talking food at least once every show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what's that one thing you make?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say you're known for, but something like, uh, your friends know, hey, you know, let's go for the DB's house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you eat beef, I make a steak au poig, like a steak with a green peppercorn sauce, that's the best one you've ever had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you're not a meat eater, I make, I love to make spaghetti puttanesca, you know, which is, again, it's qualified.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people don't like anchovies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not for everybody, but that's my favorite thing to make because it gives you that salty and that umami flavor if you do it right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are my top two I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I pride myself that I can pretty much cook anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can either figure out, break it down, what they're doing, and plus now at the internet, every recipe is available, and it's just a matter of trying it more than once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the part where people, I think, lose their way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you want to learn how to make a chicken more

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then just what went wrong and then change something and because, you know, when you're working restaurants, you have so many reps, you just, you know, you just get better and you learn hacks and you learn how to, you know, temperature control and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love cooking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be my bucket list would be to have my own restaurants today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there'll be so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love cooking, but I mean, the reality of running a restaurant is just, you know, it gives me anxiety, but it's always a simple stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember talking to Elf got the album brown a couple times, which I kind of did what he's what he did for the whole culinary thing on TV, but he said it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: no matter how many times you make rice, like one out of ten times you completely jacks it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no matter what level you're at, you're gonna, you know, it's just get out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If not afraid of making mistakes, but the thing food TV did I think is people could watch it being made as opposed to following some some linear on paper recipe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a baker, I'm more of a cook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of like, what do I have in the kitchen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me heat the pan up and just start throwing things and see what happens, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you can't add lib with baking and my daughter's a big baker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's great at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very precise with her measurements, but I prefer like saute and, uh, you know, uh, broiling and other kinds of things because it's, it's a little bit more feel based as opposed to like recipe based.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have just a one daughter or a son is 24.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, he's a software programmer and my daughter is, uh, in college, premed, she wants to be a dermatologist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you like to cook, I mean, when my kids are growing up, some of the best times were in the kitchen with kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is cooking and just getting them involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my kids are little foodies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could appreciate this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my daughter did a, my youngest one who's 20 to the semester in Europe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was in Germany, in Berlin, London, and then Milan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's trying all the food.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I told them, try it one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't like it, you don't have to have it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe try another time a year or two later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's a foodie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is she sent me a picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was on Lake Como in Italy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, guess what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she sends me a picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what she's like I'm eating tiramisu from McDonald's You know, so it's kind of so her thing was every time she goes some every country She wants to eat a McDonald's just to see how McDonald's can be different at every country, but she never eats it here You know, so it's the wildest thing, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: of the restaurants around America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just saying you're going to sit down with some friends, what is kind of on the Mount Rushmore of places you like to eat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the places that you've been in Chicago?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got some great places that you really enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Chicago Cutters Great Gibson's is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the, especially the airport location for Gibson's, La Scala, I love that place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many club logo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, Chicago has a lot of great neighborhood restaurants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to eat Italian food more often than not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no shortage of those, you know, there's, yeah, I just can't think of a bunch of others right now because you know, when you're not in that area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but the best restaurant wherever I am is my kitchen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got to say, it's not a disappointing when you go east somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and going I could have made this better at home, you know, and if it's one thing if the atmosphere is really great and, you know, the service is great and you can kind of relax and it's a cold beer, but sometimes you go and it's like just the services just kind of man, you know, then the food is like, well, I can make this better at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so disappointing, you know, it's not that you're arrogant, it's just like, I know I could have made this better,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, kind of going back, you know, you got this trajectory, you did the baseball thing, then you're up in New York, and you're, you dove into the acting, when did it click for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, this is the thing I want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is the bug really bit, you know, was it when you were in New York?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when I got a part in Broadway play, a very small part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the Cain Mini Car Marshall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody left the play that was already running, so they did not audition everybody in their brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was about a dozen guys got brought into audition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was basically the bailiff in a trial, almost no dialogue, but I had to understand another role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that was a very funny role in the first act like we're a sailor is very nervous and so that was my understudy role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last week of the run, you know, the actor playing that part, Scott Burkholder left the show and I took over that part and so I got to do seven performances of a really good part on Broadway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know what, I think I can do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I got a better, well, a different response than other actors who had played the part before me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like I was really in control of the audience in a certain sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wow, I think I know what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was there more of an affinity for on stage on camera?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had only done theater, and so I didn't know anything about cameras or that all seemed so foreign.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The theater was seemed like, you know, as a New Yorker, I'd been to Broadway plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like that could be something attainable, but the whole idea of Hollywood was not even on my radar until Francis Coppola picked me out of nowhere and made me this star of his movie, Gardens of Stone, Ops, a James Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have a sense of the gravity when you did that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, this is a copelow where you read enough of a film efficient auto where you had like, okay, this is a copelow film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you really get the weight of it at that age?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah, I mean, I had two callbacks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I met Francis Fred Roost, the late-grade cast director.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cast everything from the godfather to the outsiders and you know uh... he discovered uh... Jennifer Connelly like the list of the people that Fred Rus Harris and four just acknowledged him at the screen and school Fred discovered me and uh... put me in front of frances and you know i did well and then three weeks later to call back and then they flew me to Washington from New York where i was living

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it was like between me apparently according to the driver gossip me and two of the guys they wouldn't say where they were and so I thought well it's going to be somebody like Matt Dylan or somebody from the outsiders or rumble fish or Mickey work or you know it's going to be all these other names that I know of people that were in the business already and I wasn't really in the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I started lobbying Francis and Fred to play to not play the lead role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to play a smaller part because I just wanted to begin in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be in, I just thought, I don't want to go down to the goal line and lose the part to Matt Dillon or whoever, you know, it's all, anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had already decided they were going to use me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they thought it was very charming that I was like lobbying for a smaller part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but that's when my head was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, just get me in the movie and maybe I'll get another bigger part in another movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, just get me in the game, you know, that's kind of that, you know, same thing kind of like baseball mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, well, to the baseball thing, I mean, the eight men out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I just talked to Thomas Jane just a few weeks ago, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, was that like, I'm, I'm a baseball guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could jump in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can do this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that kind of your angle on that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, how, how did that land in your lap?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I really admire John Sales.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was a great filmmaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I knew the story of Shula Shoe Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert De Niro and Anthony Perkins and all the other people that had played baseball players up to that point had been terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gary Cooper was laughably bad as Lou Garic, Athletically great actor, but I thought I could be the first guy to actually ever believably play a pro-level baseball player in a movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and uh... but you know Kevin caster was making bulldozer at the same time for the same studio and he was a real hot baseball player and so anyway so they got they were released first so caster actually i think became the first guy ever to believeably play a baseball player to movie and so i got to be second

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, when I was 18, I, I abused my press passes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was working in a radio station in Dallas as a big Nolan Ryan guy and so I was like, you know what, I'm going to do a project and a god they're going to do an interview and that's back when George was junior was one of the owners and it just so happened that that was the same time they were filming JFK in Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was just out there on the field, you know, of course, abusing my press passes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I look at it and then the back of the jersey said Cosner, I was like, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got him out there during the pre-game to kind of warm up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious who your baseball guy was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're coming up, you know, was there somebody, was there a team, was there a player who is just like, your guy that you followed all the way through?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Coye Strumski, and I was at Red Sox fan because of Coye Strumski, and my plan as a 15 year old and a 17 year old was to play left field for the Boston Red Sox, so, you know, that was as far as I had any career aspirations that was it for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I really always enjoyed watching him, and then I got to play golf a couple of years ago with his grandson, Mikey Strumski, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, so that was really fun, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huge baseball fan, you know, when I first started going in Hollywood and, you know, I didn't really want to go to the Oscars or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who cares?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Golden Globes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I go to the World Series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I used my whatever juice I had to get tickets for baseball games and hockey games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you have to satisfy your inner 13 year old and do stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where were you at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, you've done this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You work with Coplay at 8-8 men out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was on your mind as far as trajectory?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you wanting to do action stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you in a drama?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or did you like character work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was kind of your chosen trajectory if you could have done anything at that time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I was, I had a moment in the sun there where I was a flavor of the month and I really, I didn't jump on like any big Hollywood movies that, you know, that were offered to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I made a bunch of small movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to Denmark and made a movie about the Danish Resistance of the Nazis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I made another basketball movie in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I tried to, I was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know in a way I wanted to prove that I was versatile and that I could play other parts because you know it seemed to me like a lot of movie stars especially they just do the same thing over and over again and while that's very lucrative it's to me it wasn't very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the part about in theater where it's like all right let's let's try this part you know I put on a nose and you're different than you you know that that that that was the appealing part of being an actor

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[SPEAKER_01]: to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have touch on the cutting edge because that seemed like I don't recall that being big in the theaters, but I recall it somehow on cable afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it seemed to have a second life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed to kind of take off after it actually had its theatrical run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: MGM was in financial trouble and they didn't have the money to release the movie properly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They released it five weeks after the Olympics in which Tonya Harding tried to break Nancy Karrigan's leg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was focused on figure skating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the perfect time if they had released it in November or December that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before the Olympics, it probably would have lit the world on fire and theaters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, it didn't do such great business, but on VHS, it just exploded and I had people

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, gone through like, you know, 15 copies of that movie that had been on rental for three years, every single night, you know, 10 copies per store, whatever the case was, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And DVD, same thing, people just, so it's, it's, and now it's more than 30 years old and every four years when the Olympics come around, it has a big resurgence, and so that's really, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember having a crush in Moira Kelly up for that and then I ended up interviewing or something I think was called with honors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was about 94-ish roughly with a Brendan Fraser and Joe Pesci.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's where do you say 30 years?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, really was it 30 years ago?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I met that age now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we are when you kind of say, okay, well, this was, I guess it's been around for a minute, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you could say, you know, you had your moment in the sun, you had your, you know, a moment or I think phrase that you were the flavor for the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was kind of in your heart?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, voiceovers, a thing for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the ultimate kind of like thing if you could frame it like this is the thing I would like to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, more voiceover, more maybe directing, you know, what was it at that time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to be a character actor and leading roles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gene Hackman was one of my idols and I just thought if I can just work and continue to be solid and everything and then kind of get rid of my baby face and be like middle age, then all of a sudden I can be Pope I Doyle and the French connection and I can play some of these, that era of movies was so great in the 70s and even into the 80s

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know now everybody's you know I mean this I don't want to throw anybody particularly under the bus right now But if you look around at the movie stars we have right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all soft and you know They're Metro sexual kind of guys and but you know that we we used to have Lee Marvin and you know and and you know Robert to all we just lost all these guys were like actual dudes you know who could do stuff

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a shift in the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a big tonal shift between 70s and 80s movies, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the vibe of the 70s movies is kind of not necessarily action movies, not necessarily comedies, but, you know, films with more depth is kind of the stuff that turned you on when you were younger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how it depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it all the French new wave, not all them, but I love the French new wave style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the whole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a grainyness to the films.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these films are shot in Super 16 or other like various sort of edgy kind of presentation, the way they're photographed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People were,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were just the more counter-cultural sort of characters, you know, anti-heroes were coming up in many different movies and it was just a great era for movies and unfortunately it's kind of ended, you know, I mean, movies now are very generic and and, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's very few filmmakers that have a distinctive style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Tarantino, Christopher Nolan, maybe there's three or four others that don't come to mind right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back then, you know, you had Friedkin, you had Copa Le at Scorsese, he had Robert Altman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had all these directors that had, you know, you could pop in one of their movies and be like, Oh, that's Robert Altman movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a, you know, that's a Scorsese, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we've lost that for many reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cutting edge, which we talked about before, was I think it was about a $17 million budget in 1992.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that would be like a $50 million movie now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody makes $50 million movies because they can't compete with the $300 million avatar movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So movies tend to be like budgeted under 10 million or over 100 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sweet spot is halfway between those two because then you have enough money to pay good actors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can still have a car chase, like bullet, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the economics just don't support that range of budgeting, which is where all the great movies came from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I spoke with somebody recently, and they said, it has something to do with the international market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like comedy here doesn't necessarily translate overseas, so they can't really, they don't really, you know, this is the reason why we don't see as many comedies as we wanted it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's funny you mentioned that as just talking to Thomas Jane, and he has the thing he loves film noir.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the like things you don't really, you know, see that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying I'm a big consumer of that, but it is, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of called a stumble across a random film like there's so much stuff on streaming but I don't know if you're like me but I'll search through Netflix or and it's on Prime whatever like there's literally so much stuff that 13 year old maybe like this is awesome but nothing I really want to I mean really want to you know sink my teeth into and and sometimes you just stumble across something and a lot of times it's something older you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But have you had any aspirations to direct, I mean, kind of going forward, what's kind of on your agenda now that you, on your bucket list that you still haven't done, that you would really enjoy doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I directed a feature to take a superadise with John Seemagin Lee and Ed Harris and more Kelly about 17 years ago that is out on all the platforms now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also directed a short with Sean Austin about five years ago, called Two Dumb Mix which is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: which lit the festival world on fire for a little while, one like 80 phone festival awards and it's five minutes slapstick short and I've directed a lot of theater and I'm preparing a movie right now that's a western that I've been working on for a long time, but I don't want to jinx it because we're close and but hopefully I'll be shooting at this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that either one of your kids have aspirations to wanting to do what dad does or what they're like, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter is a very good singer and my son actually was approached a couple of times to do like modeling and stuff, but he was a hockey player and I didn't really bring them to the sets because most of the child actors that I encountered were spoiled and I didn't want my kids to fall into that were, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden they realize if they throw a tantrum, 40 grownups will bring them a Snickers bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not too much power for a nine-year-old or a 12-year-old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kept them out of that world and, you know, it's also, it's a dark place, you know, I mean, it's a phrase I sold my soul to the devil to get famous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not metaphorical for a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you're looking at kind of the arc of your career, it's like, you because of course, film, you have to go, you got to go to make up, go to the trailer, you know, there's a whole thing, voiceover, you just go step in your booth and you can be in your underwear, technically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is about Vio that you really enjoy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of, I'm asking because me doing it for so many years, I'm kind of curious for a fellow Vio guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's very used to be very lucrative and still it's still a good, you know, side hustle, but I like the whole I love the radio When I grew up listening to radio dramas and you know, obviously they weren't no longer I'm not that old that I was listening to the radio drama's live I have to go find them and so forth and they were various places where you get them late at night Bob and Ray and stuff like that Phil Hendry I was a big fan of his

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get going, I have some, I call myself in questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's quick questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lexter get to know you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the first one, we've already talked food, but I always ask, what's your favorite comfort food?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've had a crap day or a really awesome day, just something that always just kind of lands for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pizza?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for a kid to grow up in a long island, but also live in Chicago, I got what kind of pizza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, you know, it depends what they got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not fan of the Deep Dish Pizza, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite pizza is on Staten Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a place called Dininos, and they have a clam pie there that is just to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I never even contemplated putting clams on a pizza before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the next question, if you're gonna sit down, you got three people, you're gonna be talking story for a few hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And living or not, who would those three people be that you would like to sit down with?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mean to talk about, you're just going to be sitting down coffee, just talking for a few hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it got to start with Churchill, you know, I don't think there's a better story at Teller than Churchill, and you know, it's just a figure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to have him there, and then, oh, well, Teddy Roosevelt, maybe I'd be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys get into a little bit of an argument, and then, and then, let's see, so feel around, you know, let's have a little, let's have a beautiful woman there that they can try to impress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if we're gonna go back when you were a young guy, who was your very first celebrity

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[SPEAKER_01]: Share a lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Sean, Charlie's Angels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He replaced Farah Fosson on Charlie's Angels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the next question got for you, if you're going to be going to live on an island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's somewhere exotic somewhere you want to be, but no streaming, so you got to bring one DVD because you want to, some movie you can watch over and over again, Anna CD or a box set of music you can listen to over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would the music be and what would that movie be on that island for a full year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the music's easier, for me, I just, I think I would just take dire straits all their music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Naffler, if I can include his part with dire straits, because he's so versatile and he's so skilled, and I just, I love it, it's all, it goes from like serene to like, you know, rockin' and so I love dire straits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I put them in my movie to take it to paradise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well the music, not the guys, but as far as like the movie, you know, it's funny I was when I was filming Gardens of Stone in Washington, I had a VHS player and they original Dune with Kyle McLaughlin and Virginia Madson got locked in my VHS, so I watched it like 30 times because I, you know, I had no, I couldn't get it out, so, but that was a great movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very underrated like all these new Dune movies are out there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It had more of the weirdness embedded in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how did that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a weird, almost a day dreamy aesthetic to it, kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Work with James Condo, because he's, you know, as a Jewish kid, he's our tough Jewish dude, you know, do you have any quick anecdotal thing about James Condo and have it, you know, spending that much time working with him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to know him better after the movie was over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I mean, this is the known thing, so I'm not like outing him or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had a really bad drug problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was kind of amped up all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I really got the best of him during Gardens of Stone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then later on, I got the spent little time around him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a very funny guy and very guys guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But during Gardens of Stone, I was in the tricky situation because I was new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could have used a little bit more mentorship, but I got it from Dean Stockwell and James Jojo Jones, so it all worked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the component parts for you, perfect day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're safe from the time you get up to the time you go to bed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If these things happen in the course of the day, it's a perfect day for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would those things be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I really love, I'm a big coffee guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been making French press coffee lately and I sort of made a study of it and just trying to get the perfect brew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I start, you know, I start every day the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get up, I make my bed, I read the Bible for 10, 15 minutes while the coffee brews, and then I drink the coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I try to, so I try to do all that stuff before I look at the phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then I'll see if there's anything urgent on the phone and you know try to answer whatever is pressing and then you know I like to exercise you know if I can right there work out but a lot of times I'll work out later in the day because I like to you know walk on the treadmill for an hour while watching a you know baseball game or hockey game or something so those are the things I love I'm gonna love to be outside I love dogs I don't have one right now but I love the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I just work working on whatever project I'm developing or learning a part or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love that part, the preparation part is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the last couple questions for you now, if you were to go, you know, say acting, performance, doing what you're doing now, I think you've already got to answer this question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they said, hey, this was not available to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would be the second choice for career?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your other vocation?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would that be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I never really met a skinny chef back when I was cooking, if I had met somebody who was like a roll model, like Bobby Flay, who looked like maybe like girls with lycum and he still was a chef and all that, or Gordon Ramsay, these guys are very charismatic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're almost like movie star, ask themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had met someone like that, early in my cooking days, I'm not gonna go down that pathway, but all the chefs I met were like, that's all you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the ones who are big guys, you're like, you know, you are there were gregarious, you know, you're like, okay, he knows what he likes, you know, he knows what's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember watching when I was a kid watching Paul Perdome on like PDS, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: influenced my cooking early on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now, the last question I got for you, if you were to go jump on that DeLorean, go back, you're 16 years old, you got a piece of device to yourself to either make that moment better for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or set yourself on a different trajectory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would that piece of advice you'd offer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 16 year old you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it would be, you know, by Apple stock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we're doing a smart thing, but just also, uh, you know, and I think I've done this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really enjoyed the ride, you know, I mean, I've worked in, you know, eight different countries I think and I've worked in, you know, 15 or 20 different states and, and every place I go that I, that I work, I, it's like a privilege to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you're not a tourist, you know, you're living there with some of the people who live in the area who know that, you know, I made a movie in Italy and I was sort of like hanging out with these guys and going to football matches and, you know, going to the local food places or, you know, I guess that'd be advice I'd give to a young actor if they're lucky enough to get flown someplace to be on a job, get the heck out of the hotel, you know, go, hang out with the crew, go, you know, go live the life because,

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[SPEAKER_01]: acting is fun but you know it's the life around it that it avails you of you know somebody's paying for your hotel room you know you're in Cape Town South Avenue or something and just enjoy it and save it and I think I've been very successful at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's fantastic, because when you're younger, you don't always know to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't really know how to live in the moment as much when you're younger, but if you can, and you had somebody else pay in the bills and you're able to do that, that's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, besides anything that you got kind of in the can that's going to become an or anything you're working on in the near future here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I shot a movie last month called Red Ink, which was kind of, it was really fun, it's set in 1949.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what made it interesting to me is that we shot it like a play, like it's a 75-minute movie, but we shot it in like seven or eight long takes like we're, everybody's getting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark, and yeah, so I'd never worked that way, and that was really fun, and I think that's, that's going to be an interesting movie, Red Ink, it's called.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Red ink and did I I think I saw something somewhere didn't you do a project where they sourced every page of the screenplay one page of the time from a different person or something, you know, well, what was that project it's called boot lake and it's a it's kind of a murder mystery and But yeah, they had a hundred writers right one page and then And 24 hours then the next person gets it and they have to build on

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you get page two you get a build on page one and you can't reinvent the wheel you have to sort of stay with the flow and it was it came out remarkably coherent and the guys who were behind it with these social media guys who you know they they made a big impression during the vines era and you know so it was like you know new way of thinking new way of working and we'll see how it turns out you know you never know as an actor you sort of got to you got to jump in the pool and you know hope for the best

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, my friend, my I really appreciate you sharing some time with me today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, you know, you're there to be a good uncle and taking a break from that to speak with me means a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a lot for your time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: D. B. Swaney enjoyed the chat real cool guy really enjoyed the opportunity to talk with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The new film protector is out right now with Mila Yovevich and Matthew Modene just, you know, really enjoyed sitting down with D. B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'm going to get on out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have yourself a great rest of your day or a great evening, whatever you got going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I always say, thank you so much for making what I got going on part of whatever you've got going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does mean a lot to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hey, by the way, we got some really great guests coming up a couple of people I have been wanting to talk to for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So April, we got some great shows lined up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a great one and I look forward to connecting with you soon on the next episode of Story and Craft Take care.

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