Ariel Vromen | Maestro of Stories & Beats
This week on Story & Craft, I sit down with movie director, Ariel Vromen. Ariel is an intriguing guy with a great story. He has directed movies such as Criminal, The Iceman and The Angel. He has directed some of Hollywood’s biggest names, such as Kevin Costner, Ryan Reynolds, Gal Gadot, Chris Evans, Wynona Ryder and Gary Oldman. Beyond his work as a director, he has also established a name for himself as a DJ, and regularly plays for audiences around the world. We cover everything, from his time as a soldier in the Israeli Defense Forces, to the time he took Kevin Costner to an techno concert, to his thoughts on the craft of directing movies, and how movie making will evolve in the coming years. It’s a great chat with a creative and cool guy with an intriguing story to tell.SHOW HIGHLIGHTS0:09:22 - Taking a Creative Path in Life0:18:57 - Challenges of Filmmaking and Changing Landscape0:24:53 - The Changing Landscape of Content Creation0:34:43 - Streaming's Role in the Film Industry0:44:30 - Build Trust, Work With a-List Actors0:51:27 - Casting and the Importance of Villains0:59:49 - Discussion on Cinematography and Personal Influences1:11:50 - Reflecting on Life, Music, and MoviesListen and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. Also, check out the show and sign up for the newsletter at www.storyandcraftpod.com. ...#podcast #interview #ArielVromen #Director #MovieMaking #DJ #Techno #Trance #TheIceManMovie #CriminalMovie #TheAngelMovie #Netflix #actor #acting #actorslife #storyandcraft #voiceover #voiceactor
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Hey, we're Jewish, we're used to hearing
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Marc Preston: that you're going to be a Jewish doctor,
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Marc Preston: Yeah, jewish doctor, jewish lawyer.
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Ariel Vromen: I refuse, I refuse passionately to follow
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Ariel Vromen: that advice.
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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.
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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.
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Marc Preston: Hey, how are you?
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Marc Preston: Welcome back Story and Craft.
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Marc Preston: Glad to have you here.
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Marc Preston: I'm Marc Preston.
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Marc Preston: Thanks for coming back for another episode.
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Marc Preston: Today we are talking with one of the guys I
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Marc Preston: me floating about Hollywood Ariel Vroman.
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Marc Preston: He's a director and he's directed movies
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Marc Preston: like Criminal, the Iceman, the Angel, and
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Marc Preston: he's directed projects with some of
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Marc Preston: Hollywood's biggest names, kind of like
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Marc Preston: chris Evans, winona Ryder, gary Oldman a
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Marc Preston: whole bunch of other folks too.
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Marc Preston: Now, in addition to directing, ariel is
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Marc Preston: He DJs concerts all over the world and is
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Marc Preston: Great conversation.
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Marc Preston: We cover his time as a soldier in the
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Marc Preston: It's a great chat.
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Marc Preston: And don't forget, by the way, the website,
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Marc Preston: Once again, storyandcraftpod.com.
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Marc Preston: Okay, let's get after it.
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Marc Preston: It is Ariel Vroman Day here on Story and
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Marc Preston: Craft.
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Marc Preston: First off, I want to wish you a happy
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Marc Preston: Thank you, man.
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Marc Preston: Now I am your elder.
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Marc Preston: I'm 13 days older than you, so you also an
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Marc Preston: Yes, sir, yes, sir, so we were both
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Marc Preston: It was a good year, but I thank you, by the
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Marc Preston: way, for taking the time to sit down with
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Marc Preston: I certainly know you're a busy guy.
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Marc Preston: You're filming right now, right, yeah, I
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Marc Preston: mean we finished.
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Ariel Vromen: We finished.
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Ariel Vromen: I have like a few additional days in the
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Ariel Vromen: end of this week, but we almost done.
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Ariel Vromen: So it's just like some posts, some second
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Ariel Vromen: unit stuff and we almost done with the film.
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Ariel Vromen: But I'm in the weekend so I'm still playing
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Ariel Vromen: So I just came back from Mexico City a few
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Ariel Vromen: hours ago.
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Marc Preston: How would you define what you do?
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Marc Preston: Is it more in the realm of, maybe house
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Marc Preston: How would you define what you do musically?
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's deep house after house techno,
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Ariel Vromen: minimal techno, so it's a little bit modern
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Ariel Vromen: sounds that kind of like evolve from Ibiza,
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Ariel Vromen: because I used to DJ and make a lot of
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Ariel Vromen: trance music back in the 90s so in Europe,
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Ariel Vromen: and then I quit that and then I went to
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Ariel Vromen: made this movie called Criminal that I
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Ariel Vromen: needed like a song and so they sent me to
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Ariel Vromen: Ibiza and I went to Ibiza and I saw this DJ
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Ariel Vromen: Solomon and he had a remix for a band
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Ariel Vromen: called the Falls, which is a band that I
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Ariel Vromen: And then I was reintroduced again to the
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Ariel Vromen: But it's a whole different universe.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it has much more intelligent, much
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Ariel Vromen: more sophistication.
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Ariel Vromen: Making that music also that I have in our
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Ariel Vromen: It's given me a lot of freedom, but just
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Ariel Vromen: the idea of playing music again in front of
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Ariel Vromen: crowd and not just be stuck behind the
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Marc Preston: I worked in radio for a lot of years and
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Marc Preston: It's like any other kind of music, but the
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Marc Preston: I found it's the one genre of music I'm
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Marc Preston: You know what's going on now and it seems
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Marc Preston: They're taking samples and calling back to
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Marc Preston: what was going on in the 90s.
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Marc Preston: Do you think the 90s are kind of a golden
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Marc Preston: We'll call it trans techno house under the
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Marc Preston: EDM umbrella.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's right, that's where I started.
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Ariel Vromen: It's exactly in the mid 90s.
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Ariel Vromen: And then we used to go to Goa, to India,
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Ariel Vromen: and that was a kind of like the, the center
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Ariel Vromen: of that gathering from all around the world.
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Ariel Vromen: And now it's like Ibiza, or to Lume in
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Ariel Vromen: Mexico, which is not so far from Coquitlun,
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Ariel Vromen: but they just a little bit up in that
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Ariel Vromen: peninsula.
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Ariel Vromen: But but, yeah, it's, it's, it's an amazing
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Ariel Vromen: world.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it's you.
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Ariel Vromen: You connect to people in a very strong way.
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Ariel Vromen: I found it very funny because, you know,
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Ariel Vromen: I've been making movies already now for 15
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Ariel Vromen: years and I always find, like I meet people
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Ariel Vromen: and I need to tell them what I did, and
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Ariel Vromen: then some of them seen the film, some of
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Ariel Vromen: them didn't see the film, but then it's
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Ariel Vromen: just constant conversation about what
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Ariel Vromen: you're doing and and and and what are you
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Ariel Vromen: about?
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Ariel Vromen: And since I got into the music and it went
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Ariel Vromen: really really fast and strong, it's like,
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Ariel Vromen: it's amazing that I've just said my name
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Ariel Vromen: and I'm really like, oh, you're the DJ.
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Marc Preston: I'm like well, I'm a filmmaker.
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Marc Preston: The soundtrack it's funny, you mentioned
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Marc Preston: that is very unique.
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Marc Preston: You like it.
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Marc Preston: It's very forward momentum.
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Marc Preston: You don't really have too many breaks in
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Marc Preston: It keeps you moving forward.
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Ariel Vromen: So that's the song, the song that Kevin
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Ariel Vromen: Costner is driving in the van across London,
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Ariel Vromen: that's the song that got me back to music.
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Marc Preston: Is it after you stole the van?
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Marc Preston: And he's kind of cruising around and he's
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Marc Preston: starting to have a search back.
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Ariel Vromen: That's right so.
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Ariel Vromen: So there was a calling up your name so that
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Ariel Vromen: enough because that song made the it became
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Ariel Vromen: it was kind of like an introduction again
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Ariel Vromen: for me for a world that I stepped away
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Ariel Vromen: completely because I was running away from
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Marc Preston: Well, you know, at that age, weren't we
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Marc Preston: we're wanting to do for the long haul, you
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Ariel Vromen: and then you, you, you stop yourself
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Ariel Vromen: because people say to him you know,
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Ariel Vromen: You know, in the business and it used to be
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Ariel Vromen: you're a director and you're also a DJ,
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Ariel Vromen: it's like what you got, almost like the
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Ariel Vromen: Hollywood wanted you to make a decision of
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Ariel Vromen: you're about and what, what you want to do.
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Ariel Vromen: And it's like it was even hard to say that
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Ariel Vromen: And then it's kind of like you cross that
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Ariel Vromen: So there was, it was like oh, your director
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Ariel Vromen: stays a director, you can write, but stay
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Ariel Vromen: there, don't produce and don't act.
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Ariel Vromen: So I found it in the beginning, when I said
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Ariel Vromen: that I want to go back to music and go back
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Ariel Vromen: people confused about what is my path
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Ariel Vromen: And now it's actually somehow it's all
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Ariel Vromen: enough, like when you're building yourself
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Ariel Vromen: a name outside the movie business, suddenly
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Ariel Vromen: the people are more curious to see your
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Ariel Vromen: work as movies.
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Marc Preston: Well, it's kind of like back in the day you
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Marc Preston: Now that line says nobody even cares
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Ariel Vromen: to watch El Canto 500 times and so how many
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Marc Preston: I want to touch base and kind of like your,
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Marc Preston: Yeah, that's right Now.
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Ariel Vromen: My father, my father is Dutch, so they, his
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Marc Preston: No, it's actually.
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Marc Preston: It's even better than life with mayonnaise.
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Marc Preston: Um, but now so you, uh, you served in the
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Ariel Vromen: I did four years in the service and the
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Marc Preston: So you had to live in a barracks or you had
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Ariel Vromen: But again, my service was super demanding
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Ariel Vromen: So I think when I finished the army I was
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Ariel Vromen: So they're all going to India or to South
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Ariel Vromen: And I went straight to law school.
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Marc Preston: What kind of work did your parents do?
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Ariel Vromen: My mom was always.
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Ariel Vromen: So I think I got a little bit artistic side
447
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Ariel Vromen: of my mom, definitely for my brother.
448
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Ariel Vromen: But, funny enough, when I finished the army
449
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Ariel Vromen: and when I finished the law school and I
450
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:19,034
Ariel Vromen: was supposed to go and train and do the
451
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Ariel Vromen: practice back in Tel Aviv, I realized that
452
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Ariel Vromen: I'm doing something wrong.
453
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Ariel Vromen: And during law school, I think on the
454
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Ariel Vromen: second or the third year, all my friends
455
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Ariel Vromen: went to Amsterdam and said you have to come,
456
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Ariel Vromen: you have to come and like, okay, I'll come
457
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Ariel Vromen: see you.
458
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Ariel Vromen: And suddenly the age of 24, 25, I'm finding
459
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Ariel Vromen: myself in the middle of the dam square in
460
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Ariel Vromen: Amsterdam and suddenly somebody give me a
461
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Ariel Vromen: joint and somebody give me the killer.
462
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Ariel Vromen: So like it, like really rarely, like I ever
463
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Ariel Vromen: even seen that, like suddenly it was all of
464
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Ariel Vromen: a minute.
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Ariel Vromen: One weekend I did everything that I didn't
466
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Ariel Vromen: do for 25 years.
467
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Ariel Vromen: So what he did to me, he did open a certain
468
00:17:00,187 --> 00:17:03,413
Ariel Vromen: box and that box was basically that I need
469
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Ariel Vromen: to do creative stuff.
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Ariel Vromen: I think creative, I think visuals, I think
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Ariel Vromen: sound.
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Marc Preston: But that wasn't even something on your mind
473
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Marc Preston: until like 24 is gone.
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Ariel Vromen: No, I was like I'm going to be a lawyer,
475
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Ariel Vromen: I'm going to go to tech.
476
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Ariel Vromen: I'm you know, I'm sorry, I was a very
477
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Ariel Vromen: serious soldier.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, there was nothing that in my soul
479
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Ariel Vromen: that thought I'm going to go back to what I
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Ariel Vromen: did in my childhood.
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Ariel Vromen: But also I've been constantly being told by
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Ariel Vromen: my parents, while they're supporting me,
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Ariel Vromen: making movies and buying me equipment and
484
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Ariel Vromen: do all that stuff, but they constantly said
485
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Ariel Vromen: this is just a hobby.
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Ariel Vromen: Don't even think that this is going to be a
487
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Ariel Vromen: job in life that you're going to be able to
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Ariel Vromen: do that.
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Marc Preston: Hey, we're Jewish.
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Marc Preston: We're used to hearing that you're going to
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Marc Preston: be a Jewish doctor, going to be an attorney,
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Marc Preston: you're going to be a lawyer, or something.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, jewish doctor, jewish lawyer, I
494
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Ariel Vromen: refuse, I refuse passionately to follow
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Ariel Vromen: that advice, I guess.
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Ariel Vromen: And then I came back to Israel.
497
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Ariel Vromen: I worked a little bit in my dad's practice.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean I started to do what they call it
499
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Ariel Vromen: stages, like basically you need to do one
500
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Ariel Vromen: year of practice before you go into the bar
501
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Ariel Vromen: exams.
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Ariel Vromen: And a friend of mine called me and said,
503
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Ariel Vromen: hey, I'm going to NYU Tisch Film School.
504
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Ariel Vromen: And I was like, wow, that's so cool.
505
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Ariel Vromen: And he said, do you want to come to New
506
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Ariel Vromen: York and visit me?
507
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Ariel Vromen: And I was also part of me being very strict
508
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Ariel Vromen: and straight.
509
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Ariel Vromen: I got married very early.
510
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Ariel Vromen: I got married when I was 24 years old and
511
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Ariel Vromen: she was actually an American girl.
512
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Ariel Vromen: So I was like, okay, let's go to New York.
513
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Ariel Vromen: And I went to New York and I thought I'm
514
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Ariel Vromen: just going to go for a couple of weeks.
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Marc Preston: New York seems to be the landing spot where
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Marc Preston: a lot of folks in New York are LA, they're
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Marc Preston: going to go to the coast, so there's really
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Marc Preston: folks that I know that's kind of where they
519
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Marc Preston: go to at least hang out for a spell a
520
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Marc Preston: little while, you know.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, I mean it's definitely a good station.
522
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Ariel Vromen: But I arrived to New York and I think the
523
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Ariel Vromen: second day I went to NYU to the film school,
524
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Ariel Vromen: and I realized that there's no chance that
525
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Ariel Vromen: I'm not going to do that.
526
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Ariel Vromen: I was amazed.
527
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Ariel Vromen: I was, so I'm going to go to university.
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Marc Preston: Wasn't it kind of like relief going okay,
529
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Marc Preston: this is it right here.
530
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Marc Preston: This is what I'm, you know.
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Ariel Vromen: It wasn't relief, but but it also created a
532
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Ariel Vromen: huge drama in my family.
533
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, my father was like so upset he
534
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Ariel Vromen: almost didn't talk to me for three years
535
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Ariel Vromen: and it was like a big, big disappointment.
536
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Ariel Vromen: And how can I not come back?
537
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Ariel Vromen: And how can I leave after they invested all
538
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Ariel Vromen: the studies of law in England?
539
00:19:37,896 --> 00:19:38,760
Ariel Vromen: And da, da, da, da, da da.
540
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Ariel Vromen: And what's wrong with me?
541
00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:41,346
Ariel Vromen: And what is it?
542
00:19:41,386 --> 00:19:42,528
Ariel Vromen: You're smoking a joint.
543
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Ariel Vromen: What's the?
544
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Ariel Vromen: Are you crazy?
545
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Ariel Vromen: So I get my whole creative side persona.
546
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Ariel Vromen: But I took a big, big, big chance on it and
547
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Ariel Vromen: I think that's something that I always tell
548
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Ariel Vromen: young people or people that I meet that
549
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Ariel Vromen: have dreams or they have inspiration and
550
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Ariel Vromen: they don't know what.
551
00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:04,789
Ariel Vromen: And I said, listen, you got to pay a price
552
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Ariel Vromen: and there is a price.
553
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Ariel Vromen: And my mom was right I did pick up a very,
554
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Ariel Vromen: very, very problematic occupation being a
555
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Ariel Vromen: filmmaker.
556
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Ariel Vromen: It's like, hmm, you need to be a little bit
557
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Ariel Vromen: crazy.
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Marc Preston: At the rap of every job, you're out of work.
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Marc Preston: Technically, yeah, it could be stressful,
560
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Marc Preston: for I could see how that could be stressful
561
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Marc Preston: for parents.
562
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Marc Preston: But what Now?
563
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Marc Preston: Your father was resistant, but you said
564
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Marc Preston: your mother was the creative one.
565
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Marc Preston: What was her input while you were going
566
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Marc Preston: through?
567
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Ariel Vromen: this kind of thing.
568
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Ariel Vromen: She didn't play music, she just was.
569
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Ariel Vromen: Her creativity was her knowledge in art.
570
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Ariel Vromen: She's still today saying to me oh, bree's
571
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Ariel Vromen: exhibition is coming to LA, you should go
572
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Ariel Vromen: see.
573
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Ariel Vromen: You should go see this exhibition.
574
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Ariel Vromen: And she kept on saying to me that, oh,
575
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Ariel Vromen: you're a director, maybe it's going to
576
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Ariel Vromen: inspire you.
577
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Ariel Vromen: So she pushed me, even as a teenager, like
578
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Ariel Vromen: to go to the museums and to see art and to
579
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Ariel Vromen: expand my mind outside.
580
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Ariel Vromen: Whatever media that we were consuming back
581
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Ariel Vromen: in the 80s or early 90s, which was not much,
582
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, it would be like a VHS or a movie
583
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Ariel Vromen: theater.
584
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Ariel Vromen: Part of the thing is, right now, that I'm
585
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Ariel Vromen: also a victim, we all victim of it.
586
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Ariel Vromen: It's like the amount of audio visual that
587
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Ariel Vromen: we exposed to, and when you basically
588
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Ariel Vromen: exposed to your phone and you're watching
589
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Ariel Vromen: over three or four hours a day, what
590
00:21:24,803 --> 00:21:26,569
Ariel Vromen: happened is our memory stopped working.
591
00:21:27,685 --> 00:21:29,594
Ariel Vromen: Basically, people don't remember anymore
592
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Ariel Vromen: the content they've been viewing.
593
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Ariel Vromen: This is the kind of a time we're living
594
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Ariel Vromen: right now Kids or not kids or grown-ups, or
595
00:21:36,346 --> 00:21:38,731
Ariel Vromen: teenagers or mature people, they're
596
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Ariel Vromen: watching material and they don't remember
597
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Ariel Vromen: what they watched.
598
00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:43,622
Ariel Vromen: The day after they're like oh yeah, we saw
599
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Ariel Vromen: a movie.
600
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Ariel Vromen: I can't remember the name.
601
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Ariel Vromen: What was the name of the actor and what was
602
00:21:49,168 --> 00:21:52,107
Ariel Vromen: about it's because it's becoming just like
603
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Ariel Vromen: another killing time.
604
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Ariel Vromen: Maybe some people still.
605
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Marc Preston: You know you're getting emotional, but not
606
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Marc Preston: as much as emotion as we used to get from
607
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Marc Preston: watching material, I think patience
608
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Marc Preston: probably has something to do with it,
609
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Marc Preston: because somebody knows a couple seconds
610
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Marc Preston: into a movie or a show if they don't really
611
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Marc Preston: like it.
612
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Marc Preston: It's the same thing like with dating or
613
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Marc Preston: whatever else.
614
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Marc Preston: It's okay.
615
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Marc Preston: On to the next thing.
616
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Marc Preston: They're not really taking the time to kind
617
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Marc Preston: of get into it.
618
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Marc Preston: You have all those dating apps.
619
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Ariel Vromen: You have Instagram and TikTok and you can
620
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Ariel Vromen: see it's like a magazine of humans.
621
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Ariel Vromen: And it's weird because you are a content
622
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Ariel Vromen: provider.
623
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Ariel Vromen: Now everybody is saying, oh, we need
624
00:22:26,773 --> 00:22:27,619
Ariel Vromen: content, we need content, we need more
625
00:22:27,639 --> 00:22:29,760
Ariel Vromen: movies, we need more TV, we need more this.
626
00:22:30,705 --> 00:22:32,634
Ariel Vromen: So, in other words, people look at me and
627
00:22:32,654 --> 00:22:33,680
Ariel Vromen: say, oh, your business is thriving right
628
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Ariel Vromen: now.
629
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Ariel Vromen: You must be very happy, and I am, and it's
630
00:22:37,736 --> 00:22:38,439
Ariel Vromen: good times, we work.
631
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Ariel Vromen: You know there's a lot of things on the
632
00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:44,613
Ariel Vromen: pipe and I'm busy and I'm not complaining,
633
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,321
Ariel Vromen: but the outcome and the result of what
634
00:22:47,341 --> 00:22:49,222
Ariel Vromen: you're doing right now has a completely
635
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Ariel Vromen: different meaning.
636
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Marc Preston: So how does that affect your selection
637
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Marc Preston: process on the projects of?
638
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Marc Preston: I mean, because you're obviously a
639
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Marc Preston: storyteller, you know, be it musically,
640
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Marc Preston: through film what exactly is your decision
641
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Marc Preston: making process?
642
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Marc Preston: Because there are a whole lot of
643
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Marc Preston: opportunities out there.
644
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Marc Preston: What are you kind of sitting down when you
645
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Marc Preston: look at things on your desk and go, yeah, I
646
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Marc Preston: kind of want to work on this project.
647
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Marc Preston: What's your decision making on that?
648
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Ariel Vromen: That's a good question, I think.
649
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Ariel Vromen: For me it's always the selective, like I
650
00:23:25,258 --> 00:23:27,706
Ariel Vromen: need to read, regardless the subject matter
651
00:23:27,966 --> 00:23:32,394
Ariel Vromen: or the world that the movie is in.
652
00:23:33,877 --> 00:23:34,839
Ariel Vromen: I need to read it first.
653
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Ariel Vromen: And sometimes I am very excited, like
654
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Ariel Vromen: somebody pitched me an idea or a story or a
655
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Ariel Vromen: concept and I'm like, wow, this is great.
656
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Ariel Vromen: And then I'm sitting down and I'm reading
657
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Ariel Vromen: it and by page 20, I either want to throw
658
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Ariel Vromen: the script on the wall or just like never
659
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Ariel Vromen: come back to it.
660
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Ariel Vromen: So it's really it's about connectivity to
661
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Ariel Vromen: the material when I read it, and so first
662
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Ariel Vromen: of all, I need to read it and to really
663
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Ariel Vromen: like it.
664
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Ariel Vromen: And then I started to do a process of
665
00:24:04,131 --> 00:24:06,359
Ariel Vromen: saying, okay, I'm home right now.
666
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Ariel Vromen: Would I leave my house right now and go to
667
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Ariel Vromen: the movie theater to watch that, which is a
668
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Ariel Vromen: question that I'm very asking anymore.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, I was about to say the idea of
670
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Marc Preston: leaving the house.
671
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Marc Preston: Is that even a bit?
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Ariel Vromen: down.
673
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Ariel Vromen: It's becoming like a history it's a history
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Ariel Vromen: channel, right?
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Marc Preston: I heard Spielberg talk about something a
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Marc Preston: couple of years ago.
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Marc Preston: He said something to the effect of we're
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Marc Preston: not going to have movies and theaters the
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Marc Preston: way you or I grew up watching movies and
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Marc Preston: theaters.
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Ariel Vromen: You'll have the big blockbusters ones that
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Ariel Vromen: will hang out, only franchise.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, that's.
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Marc Preston: You know what.
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Marc Preston: Do you think?
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Marc Preston: Is that a good thing, or do you think there
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Marc Preston: should be more of a push to get people into
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Marc Preston: a theater?
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Ariel Vromen: I don't have any.
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Ariel Vromen: I, to be honest with you, I think I'm in
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Ariel Vromen: this point in my life.
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Ariel Vromen: I because I accepted Netflix actually very
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Ariel Vromen: early in the game.
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Ariel Vromen: I did a movie for them in 2017.
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Marc Preston: Was it an angel or, yeah, the angel?
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Ariel Vromen: And in 2016,.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, Netflix was sitting down in
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Ariel Vromen: Beverly Hills that had like small office, I
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Ariel Vromen: remember, like one little floor, and
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Ariel Vromen: everybody was like very weird with me.
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Ariel Vromen: Why are we going to go do a movie for a
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Ariel Vromen: place called Netflix?
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, why?
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Ariel Vromen: Why?
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Ariel Vromen: And probably funny, funny, funny to say is
706
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Ariel Vromen: that the reason that I did a movie for
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Ariel Vromen: Netflix is because at that time I at 2000
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Ariel Vromen: and I think it was 2011, I met Ted Serendez,
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Ariel Vromen: the co CEO of Netflix today, and I had a
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Ariel Vromen: documentary that I was trying to put
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Ariel Vromen: together about water crisis in the
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Ariel Vromen: Southwest and it's called Running Dry and
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Ariel Vromen: and we made it and it was a small
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Ariel Vromen: documentary but very, very, very important
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Ariel Vromen: or it was very interesting material.
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Ariel Vromen: And I asked, and I went to lunch with Ted
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Ariel Vromen: and I said I'm Ted, listen, can you put it
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Ariel Vromen: just on your platform?
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, you have DVDs, right, you can go
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Ariel Vromen: online and check your queue and you set
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Ariel Vromen: DVDs to people.
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Ariel Vromen: And I remember I would never I'm still
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Ariel Vromen: reminding him every time I see him and I
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Ariel Vromen: said he said to me I said, Ariel, I really
725
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Ariel Vromen: want to help you, but you need to
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Ariel Vromen: understand I'm a tech guy, I'm not a
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Ariel Vromen: content person.
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Ariel Vromen: I have no idea about movies, about what
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Ariel Vromen: people like, what people will view, and in
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Ariel Vromen: 2011, the idea of producing for Netflix was
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Ariel Vromen: not even on the chart.
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Marc Preston: It's not that long ago and look at what a
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Marc Preston: quantum.
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Marc Preston: No, that's not.
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Marc Preston: No, that's insane.
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Ariel Vromen: Ted Surrandes today is probably.
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Ariel Vromen: Robert Evans is a child producer.
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Ariel Vromen: Compared to Ted Surrandes.
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Ariel Vromen: In terms of the amount of material that
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Ariel Vromen: this studio has made, Ted Surrandes right
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Ariel Vromen: now is the most, I guess, accredited
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Ariel Vromen: producer studio in the history of cinema
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Ariel Vromen: and television.
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Marc Preston: I think there's a lot of content that would
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Marc Preston: never have gotten made, that would have sat
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Marc Preston: on in the screenplay stack in some office
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Marc Preston: somewhere and never would have gotten
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Marc Preston: greenlit had it not been for Netflix.
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Marc Preston: You talk about EDM.
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Marc Preston: The movie was at XOXO.
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Marc Preston: Would that movie have gotten made without
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Marc Preston: Netflix?
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Ariel Vromen: It's such a niche kind of a thing, but I
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Ariel Vromen: know that for a fact that, there and again,
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Ariel Vromen: netflix of 2022 is even completely
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Ariel Vromen: different from the Netflix that I
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Ariel Vromen: re-engaged in 2016, 2017, where they just
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Ariel Vromen: had the success of House of Cards and
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Ariel Vromen: suddenly they realized that they want to
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Ariel Vromen: make more material.
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Ariel Vromen: In fact, scott Stuber was now running all
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Ariel Vromen: the films over there.
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Ariel Vromen: When he came from Universal, his first
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Ariel Vromen: meeting on his first day of work, he met
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Ariel Vromen: with me for lunch and we were sitting down
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Ariel Vromen: and he asked me so how is it, how is
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Ariel Vromen: Netflix, what's going on with her?
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Ariel Vromen: I actually had a lot of positive things to
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Ariel Vromen: say because it was really about filmmakers
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Ariel Vromen: and it was really about a studio that just
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Ariel Vromen: getting into a space that's becoming new
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Ariel Vromen: space.
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Ariel Vromen: And I remember, like you know, the
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Ariel Vromen: conversation even earlier, like in 2015 or
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Ariel Vromen: 2014, about how Blockbuster didn't read
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Ariel Vromen: them up.
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Ariel Vromen: They had all the vendors, they had all the
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Ariel Vromen: deals.
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Marc Preston: Oh, did you ever see that documentary that
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Marc Preston: Kevin Smith did about Blockbuster and the
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Marc Preston: last Blockbuster that's left?
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Announcer: I did not Kevin Smith did it.
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Marc Preston: It was really interesting because it went
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Marc Preston: down.
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Marc Preston: Of course, this was something that Netflix
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Marc Preston: it's a Netflix production, I believe but it
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Marc Preston: was talking about there's one Blockbuster
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Marc Preston: left in the whole world and, going back in
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Marc Preston: time to how they did it, the mom and pops
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Marc Preston: would have, if you want to go see, like
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Marc Preston: when we were kids, you want to go see
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Marc Preston: Terminator, they may have like two of them,
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Marc Preston: two VHSs sitting around.
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Marc Preston: And then Netflix came in and their whole
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Marc Preston: I'm sorry Blockbuster came in.
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Marc Preston: They changed up the game because they
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Marc Preston: worked out kind of like a revenue share
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Marc Preston: agreement with the studios and the studios
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Marc Preston: like oh, that makes some sense.
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Ariel Vromen: It was the best thing that ever.
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Ariel Vromen: Like DVDs back in.
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Ariel Vromen: You know early 2000 was the most profitable
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Ariel Vromen: revenue for backends for filmmakers, actors
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Ariel Vromen: and producers because that was a whole new.
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Ariel Vromen: Ticket selling is one thing.
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Ariel Vromen: Because you got to split with the theaters,
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Ariel Vromen: you got to you know the studios has a share.
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Ariel Vromen: It's until you see any money from tickets
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Ariel Vromen: from theater.
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Ariel Vromen: As a filmmaker, you know you got to dig in
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Ariel Vromen: the books and probably eventually get, you
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Ariel Vromen: know, get into bad blood with every studio
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Ariel Vromen: because you got to audit them and it's
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Ariel Vromen: never end up well.
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Ariel Vromen: The DVDs were very simple.
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Ariel Vromen: It was like this is the amount of CDs that
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Ariel Vromen: we're making and this is the amount of
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Ariel Vromen: rentals that comes through the computer
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Ariel Vromen: every time we check out a DVD from
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Ariel Vromen: Blockbuster.
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Ariel Vromen: So I think to see how the world changed so
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Ariel Vromen: fast in the last decade in our business and
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Ariel Vromen: storytelling, and it's mind blowing.
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Ariel Vromen: I really sometimes I got to pinch myself
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Ariel Vromen: and it's like I can't believe that I've
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Ariel Vromen: been through all this ride and suddenly now
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Ariel Vromen: we have like a whole new reality of
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Ariel Vromen: decision making.
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Ariel Vromen: Netflix that used to be about filmmakers or
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Ariel Vromen: this.
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Ariel Vromen: They still have a couple of creators that
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Ariel Vromen: are following, but right now you know
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Ariel Vromen: they're making decisions on Marceting and
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Ariel Vromen: algorithms.
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Marc Preston: I would love to be just to fly on the wall
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Marc Preston: when they go over, like the actual numbers,
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Marc Preston: real downloads, what you know, the real
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Marc Preston: metrics of, you know, the all, the all the
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Marc Preston: stuff behind the curtain we don't get a
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Marc Preston: chance to see.
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Marc Preston: You know, that'd be so fascinating.
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Ariel Vromen: I think, I think, I think, I think, when
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Ariel Vromen: you get into a size of a company, that size
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Ariel Vromen: in valuation it's similar to you know,
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Ariel Vromen: probably some big pharma company or
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Ariel Vromen: whatever.
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Ariel Vromen: This is where the individual doesn't need
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Ariel Vromen: to know what's going on, because maybe it's
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Ariel Vromen: because, because, lucky if you, if we're
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Ariel Vromen: going to get the real numbers on everything,
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Ariel Vromen: it would be great.
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Ariel Vromen: But but you know, I think we are in the
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Ariel Vromen: dark because nobody want to tell you that.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, Red Notice was the most watchable
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Ariel Vromen: film of Netflix of all times.
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Ariel Vromen: As much as I love Gal Gadot and I love Ryan
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Ariel Vromen: Reynolds and I worked with both of them In
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Ariel Vromen: fact, I introduced the book there too in
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Ariel Vromen: criminal I thought it was a disastrous film.
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Ariel Vromen: It was $200 million that I could not
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Ariel Vromen: understand where the money goes.
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Ariel Vromen: And then, on the other hand, you getting
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Ariel Vromen: those reports.
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Ariel Vromen: This is the biggest success.
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Ariel Vromen: And you're like, if this movie will
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Ariel Vromen: actually will compete on a theatrical,
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Ariel Vromen: which is what we call, you know, a ground
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Ariel Vromen: zero, of, of, of, of, of, a reflection of
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Ariel Vromen: your, of, of your success.
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Ariel Vromen: You can argue with ticket sales, you know,
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Ariel Vromen: and suddenly nobody cares about.
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Ariel Vromen: Okay, so obviously, Spider-Man is the
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Ariel Vromen: biggest phenomenon right now, with $1.8
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Ariel Vromen: billion in the box office, which is still,
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Ariel Vromen: it's mind blowing.
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Ariel Vromen: But then again they telling you that this
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Ariel Vromen: is the most watchable movie on Netflix, and
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Ariel Vromen: it was.
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Ariel Vromen: And they have to justify $200 million
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Ariel Vromen: investment for their stockholders.
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Ariel Vromen: So it's whatever me want to be, fly on the
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Ariel Vromen: wall or not.
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Ariel Vromen: It's like you would never know how many
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Ariel Vromen: that people watch only 30 seconds of it.
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Marc Preston: I tell my students, I tell the people I
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Marc Preston: work with, I'm like listen, you know, if
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Marc Preston: you want to do something, go create
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Marc Preston: something.
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Marc Preston: There is so many platforms.
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Marc Preston: There are so many platforms to get it out
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Marc Preston: there, maybe even just YouTube or Vimeo or
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Marc Preston: whatever.
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Marc Preston: But I think there was a point in time where
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Marc Preston: there are a lot of people who just had a
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Marc Preston: great idea, they had a great script, they
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Marc Preston: had a team or whatever in place in Netflix
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Marc Preston: is handing out money and it's like go make
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Marc Preston: it.
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Marc Preston: I mean, that's kind of I think I wonder if
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Marc Preston: it's going to be looked back on as being
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Marc Preston: some kind of a golden era of content
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Marc Preston: creation.
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Ariel Vromen: It is.
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Ariel Vromen: It is a golden era and eventually look, we
905
00:32:52,434 --> 00:32:53,962
Ariel Vromen: knew it from the beginning and it's going
906
00:32:53,982 --> 00:32:56,309
Ariel Vromen: to happen, probably by 2025 or maybe a
907
00:32:56,349 --> 00:32:56,971
Ariel Vromen: little bit later.
908
00:32:57,793 --> 00:33:00,820
Ariel Vromen: That didn't survive.
909
00:33:01,783 --> 00:33:03,006
Ariel Vromen: If it's going to be, you know, there will
910
00:33:03,026 --> 00:33:03,568
Ariel Vromen: be top five.
911
00:33:04,926 --> 00:33:06,770
Ariel Vromen: Eventually, we're going to shrink down to
912
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:11,279
Ariel Vromen: five studios, streamers, that are basically
913
00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:13,271
Ariel Vromen: going to provide us all of our content in
914
00:33:13,311 --> 00:33:15,228
Ariel Vromen: our lives, and they're going to merge or
915
00:33:15,248 --> 00:33:16,533
Ariel Vromen: they're going to put together studios.
916
00:33:16,645 --> 00:33:18,716
Ariel Vromen: I don't know what will happen, but you know,
917
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:20,605
Ariel Vromen: funny enough if you're looking, if you're
918
00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:22,052
Ariel Vromen: looking at even the terrain that we're
919
00:33:22,072 --> 00:33:22,915
Ariel Vromen: living right now.
920
00:33:23,438 --> 00:33:25,486
Ariel Vromen: One of the biggest question Marcs that I
921
00:33:25,587 --> 00:33:27,613
Ariel Vromen: ask every day is what happened to Sony?
922
00:33:28,725 --> 00:33:32,034
Ariel Vromen: How come a studio that had already a
923
00:33:32,134 --> 00:33:35,303
Ariel Vromen: digital box, the Sony PlayStation, in
924
00:33:35,403 --> 00:33:39,454
Ariel Vromen: almost every other home in the world, were
925
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:42,222
Ariel Vromen: not the first one to realize that they have
926
00:33:42,263 --> 00:33:44,448
Ariel Vromen: the box already in people's home and
927
00:33:44,508 --> 00:33:47,234
Ariel Vromen: convert that box into the streamer?
928
00:33:48,885 --> 00:33:51,397
Ariel Vromen: It's like it's mind blowing that one of the
929
00:33:51,558 --> 00:33:53,246
Ariel Vromen: only studios that is kind of like funded by
930
00:33:53,286 --> 00:33:55,812
Ariel Vromen: a tech company, a complete tech company,
931
00:33:55,852 --> 00:33:57,075
Ariel Vromen: not just, like you know, in a
932
00:33:57,135 --> 00:33:59,307
Ariel Vromen: telecommunication company, but a real tech
933
00:33:59,808 --> 00:34:05,076
Ariel Vromen: company could not make that, you know,
934
00:34:05,737 --> 00:34:08,508
Ariel Vromen: could not read the game ahead of it.
935
00:34:10,645 --> 00:34:12,672
Ariel Vromen: And now they're providing content for
936
00:34:12,712 --> 00:34:13,054
Ariel Vromen: Netflix.
937
00:34:13,767 --> 00:34:15,193
Ariel Vromen: Okay, of course they had a huge success
938
00:34:15,213 --> 00:34:17,021
Ariel Vromen: with Spider-Man right now, but one movie,
939
00:34:17,483 --> 00:34:20,853
Ariel Vromen: that holding the whole studio, one film and
940
00:34:20,873 --> 00:34:22,477
Ariel Vromen: you're like, wow, that's mind blowing.
941
00:34:22,605 --> 00:34:23,407
Ariel Vromen: Look at Warner Brothers.
942
00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:26,694
Ariel Vromen: They went all in on HBO Max.
943
00:34:28,405 --> 00:34:33,095
Ariel Vromen: You know, apple bought MGM and they
944
00:34:33,355 --> 00:34:34,778
Ariel Vromen: hopefully that will help them a little bit.
945
00:34:34,845 --> 00:34:35,928
Ariel Vromen: I don't know if they're going to survive
946
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:37,512
Ariel Vromen: with the way they're making stuff over
947
00:34:37,532 --> 00:34:37,693
Ariel Vromen: there.
948
00:34:39,445 --> 00:34:42,713
Ariel Vromen: But all the rest, like Amazon, this is like.
949
00:34:42,953 --> 00:34:44,805
Ariel Vromen: But Sony, sony, sony was like yeah, it's
950
00:34:44,825 --> 00:34:45,006
Ariel Vromen: funny.
951
00:34:45,026 --> 00:34:46,272
Marc Preston: My son, my 17 year old son.
952
00:34:46,312 --> 00:34:48,924
Marc Preston: He's got a PlayStation 5 and he even, I
953
00:34:48,964 --> 00:34:49,848
Marc Preston: believe you can.
954
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:51,638
Marc Preston: They do have some apps, but they didn't
955
00:34:51,658 --> 00:34:53,246
Marc Preston: really push it as being a streaming over
956
00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:56,054
Marc Preston: the top device the way Roku or whatever
957
00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:58,028
Marc Preston: else, and that would have been a great dual
958
00:34:58,068 --> 00:35:00,092
Marc Preston: purpose thing like hey game for you kids
959
00:35:00,392 --> 00:35:01,554
Marc Preston: and you get to watch movies on it.
960
00:35:01,594 --> 00:35:02,756
Marc Preston: You already bought the machine.
961
00:35:02,796 --> 00:35:03,718
Ariel Vromen: Yeah, it's in your home.
962
00:35:04,645 --> 00:35:06,391
Ariel Vromen: You need to go to the chip to go to make it
963
00:35:06,491 --> 00:35:07,435
Ariel Vromen: online streaming.
964
00:35:07,565 --> 00:35:09,231
Ariel Vromen: It's like it's literally it's the easiest
965
00:35:09,251 --> 00:35:12,250
Ariel Vromen: thing and it's mind blowing that that big
966
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:14,656
Ariel Vromen: studio didn't read the map and didn't, you
967
00:35:14,676 --> 00:35:15,466
Ariel Vromen: know, try to catch.
968
00:35:15,526 --> 00:35:17,351
Ariel Vromen: Because I think today, like looking at
969
00:35:17,371 --> 00:35:19,425
Ariel Vromen: Disney, looking at you know, the merger of
970
00:35:19,445 --> 00:35:21,615
Ariel Vromen: Disney and Fox and whatever, like all, if
971
00:35:21,635 --> 00:35:23,925
Ariel Vromen: you don't have a streaming outlet as a
972
00:35:24,005 --> 00:35:25,894
Ariel Vromen: studio right now, you're not going to
973
00:35:25,914 --> 00:35:26,316
Ariel Vromen: survive.
974
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,244
Ariel Vromen: Money worries, unless you're going to
975
00:35:28,264 --> 00:35:30,292
Ariel Vromen: really down, down, downscale, your your
976
00:35:30,332 --> 00:35:33,154
Ariel Vromen: stuff and you literally going to provide,
977
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:35,041
Ariel Vromen: you're going to be a studio to provide
978
00:35:35,122 --> 00:35:36,928
Ariel Vromen: films to other net, other streamers.
979
00:35:37,591 --> 00:35:39,147
Marc Preston: Yeah, it seems like the folks that are
980
00:35:39,187 --> 00:35:41,775
Marc Preston: making the content also like you'd be an.
981
00:35:41,815 --> 00:35:43,830
Marc Preston: You mentioned Amazon or HBO Max, and they
982
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:45,715
Marc Preston: already had a deep library to begin with,
983
00:35:45,775 --> 00:35:47,710
Marc Preston: or they go buy one, you know.
984
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:50,300
Marc Preston: Now that kind of brings me to a question
985
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:51,845
Marc Preston: like when you, when you're directing a
986
00:35:51,865 --> 00:35:53,630
Marc Preston: movie I've always been curious about this
987
00:35:53,650 --> 00:35:55,895
Marc Preston: with directors that also write do you
988
00:35:55,956 --> 00:35:58,113
Marc Preston: prefer, or is there even a preference to,
989
00:35:58,174 --> 00:35:59,843
Marc Preston: to work on a project that you've created,
990
00:35:59,884 --> 00:36:01,268
Marc Preston: that you've written the screenplay, or
991
00:36:02,531 --> 00:36:03,794
Marc Preston: there's any real big difference?
992
00:36:03,834 --> 00:36:05,525
Marc Preston: When the day comes, as director, you just
993
00:36:05,566 --> 00:36:07,991
Marc Preston: want to direct and however you get to, you
994
00:36:08,011 --> 00:36:09,013
Marc Preston: know sit in the chair.
995
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:09,935
Ariel Vromen: It's never happened.
996
00:36:10,156 --> 00:36:14,491
Ariel Vromen: It never happened, unfortunately, I think I
997
00:36:14,591 --> 00:36:15,092
Ariel Vromen: never.
998
00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:18,238
Ariel Vromen: But it's also because you know there is
999
00:36:18,298 --> 00:36:20,168
Ariel Vromen: ranks of directors, there's the A-list and
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00:36:20,188 --> 00:36:21,653
Ariel Vromen: then there's like the second release and
Speaker:
00:36:21,673 --> 00:36:23,228
Ariel Vromen: then there's, like you know, there's a pile
Speaker:
00:36:23,269 --> 00:36:26,961
Ariel Vromen: of filmmakers in our lifetime that getting
Speaker:
00:36:27,022 --> 00:36:29,469
Ariel Vromen: scripts and getting different levels of of
Speaker:
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:30,793
Ariel Vromen: very high end writers.
Speaker:
00:36:32,125 --> 00:36:33,848
Ariel Vromen: I'm not the one who gets Aaron Sorkin
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00:36:33,868 --> 00:36:34,229
Ariel Vromen: scripts.
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00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:39,858
Ariel Vromen: You know it will be, at least probably you
Speaker:
00:36:41,225 --> 00:36:44,493
Ariel Vromen: know 50 or 60 or 100 directors that will,
Speaker:
00:36:44,513 --> 00:36:46,156
Ariel Vromen: will watch it, will read that script before
Speaker:
00:36:46,196 --> 00:36:46,838
Ariel Vromen: it's going to get to me.
Speaker:
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:50,757
Ariel Vromen: So when I got material, it's usually decent
Speaker:
00:36:50,777 --> 00:36:52,563
Ariel Vromen: material or material that we're in
Speaker:
00:36:52,603 --> 00:36:55,389
Ariel Vromen: turnaround or material that I'm getting,
Speaker:
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:58,115
Ariel Vromen: that somebody just I'm talking about like
Speaker:
00:36:58,155 --> 00:36:59,318
Ariel Vromen: external materials that I'm getting.
Speaker:
00:37:00,005 --> 00:37:02,030
Ariel Vromen: So the majority of the script that I get or
Speaker:
00:37:02,070 --> 00:37:08,407
Ariel Vromen: I got in the past are just good enough to
Speaker:
00:37:08,949 --> 00:37:12,584
Ariel Vromen: attract me to start working on the project.
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00:37:12,825 --> 00:37:14,330
Marc Preston: From pre-production production post.
Speaker:
00:37:14,571 --> 00:37:15,794
Marc Preston: That's about a year of your life you're
Speaker:
00:37:15,814 --> 00:37:16,376
Marc Preston: committing to it.
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00:37:17,327 --> 00:37:18,169
Ariel Vromen: It's a big commitment.
Speaker:
00:37:18,229 --> 00:37:21,736
Ariel Vromen: But what I found, that even in the Angel or
Speaker:
00:37:21,756 --> 00:37:25,507
Ariel Vromen: even in now in the movie I just did, 92, or
Speaker:
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:29,375
Ariel Vromen: in Criminal Criminal, was actually a little
Speaker:
00:37:29,395 --> 00:37:31,186
Ariel Vromen: bit different, because it was my cousin and
Speaker:
00:37:31,226 --> 00:37:33,595
Ariel Vromen: his partner who wrote that movie and they
Speaker:
00:37:33,676 --> 00:37:35,884
Ariel Vromen: wrote the Rock and Double Jeopardy and they
Speaker:
00:37:35,904 --> 00:37:38,751
Ariel Vromen: were working on all the all the Born series.
Speaker:
00:37:38,792 --> 00:37:40,355
Ariel Vromen: So they were, they had, like you know, so
Speaker:
00:37:40,396 --> 00:37:43,887
Ariel Vromen: they were very involved with me in prep.
Speaker:
00:37:43,907 --> 00:37:46,413
Ariel Vromen: But but usually I get a script and I'm
Speaker:
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:47,837
Ariel Vromen: working a little bit with the writer and
Speaker:
00:37:47,917 --> 00:37:50,851
Ariel Vromen: see if we can get into the right place
Speaker:
00:37:50,891 --> 00:37:54,943
Ariel Vromen: together and sometimes it does works well,
Speaker:
00:37:55,083 --> 00:37:56,688
Ariel Vromen: but still there's always a moment that the
Speaker:
00:37:56,728 --> 00:38:00,521
Ariel Vromen: writer is basically I'm I'm kind of like
Speaker:
00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:01,865
Ariel Vromen: taking over the material.
Speaker:
00:38:03,110 --> 00:38:05,358
Ariel Vromen: So when it's coming to the practicality of
Speaker:
00:38:05,398 --> 00:38:07,105
Ariel Vromen: preparing a shoot and preparing in
Speaker:
00:38:07,265 --> 00:38:09,189
Ariel Vromen: preproduction and actually when the actors
Speaker:
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:12,957
Ariel Vromen: come in, I found it in many cases in the
Speaker:
00:38:12,998 --> 00:38:15,433
Ariel Vromen: past, like when the writer had to convince
Speaker:
00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:18,123
Ariel Vromen: the original writer to do their changes or
Speaker:
00:38:18,184 --> 00:38:19,970
Ariel Vromen: the things that we would discuss it's,
Speaker:
00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:21,274
Ariel Vromen: there was always a lot of drama.
Speaker:
00:38:23,542 --> 00:38:28,435
Ariel Vromen: I also realized that I thought that there
Speaker:
00:38:28,495 --> 00:38:30,881
Ariel Vromen: is a oh, I rewrote the whole script.
Speaker:
00:38:30,901 --> 00:38:32,525
Ariel Vromen: I should get a credit, I should do this, I
Speaker:
00:38:32,665 --> 00:38:35,115
Ariel Vromen: should fight for something and also read
Speaker:
00:38:35,135 --> 00:38:37,324
Ariel Vromen: that's something that if actually the angel
Speaker:
00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:38,931
Ariel Vromen: kind of like taught me that it's, it's,
Speaker:
00:38:39,232 --> 00:38:41,582
Ariel Vromen: it's, it's a battle that I never go again
Speaker:
00:38:41,642 --> 00:38:43,249
Ariel Vromen: to you know you say, like Aaron Sorkin, you
Speaker:
00:38:43,269 --> 00:38:45,579
Ariel Vromen: know his, his screenplays are very specific.
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00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:47,447
Marc Preston: The the word, you know, it's just, there's
Speaker:
00:38:47,467 --> 00:38:49,616
Marc Preston: a rhythm to how it's supposed to be said.
Speaker:
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,585
Marc Preston: How are you about, actually?
Speaker:
00:38:52,928 --> 00:38:55,394
Marc Preston: How do you look at improvisation, or do you
Speaker:
00:38:55,414 --> 00:38:56,798
Marc Preston: like to really stick to the script?
Speaker:
00:38:57,265 --> 00:38:57,621
Ariel Vromen: It's also.
Speaker:
00:38:57,778 --> 00:39:00,436
Ariel Vromen: It's really depends on the actors, if they
Speaker:
00:39:00,592 --> 00:39:01,465
Ariel Vromen: have the ability.
Speaker:
00:39:01,622 --> 00:39:03,686
Ariel Vromen: Not every actor has the ability to
Speaker:
00:39:03,726 --> 00:39:05,410
Ariel Vromen: improvise and to be interesting.
Speaker:
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:08,516
Ariel Vromen: You know, some actors are not as
Speaker:
00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:10,787
Ariel Vromen: interesting as people and they don't have
Speaker:
00:39:10,827 --> 00:39:13,053
Ariel Vromen: that much of an experience as a human being,
Speaker:
00:39:13,113 --> 00:39:13,815
Ariel Vromen: and so for them.
Speaker:
00:39:13,915 --> 00:39:16,249
Ariel Vromen: But they deliver words and lines of other
Speaker:
00:39:16,309 --> 00:39:17,452
Ariel Vromen: writers amazingly.
Speaker:
00:39:17,512 --> 00:39:19,156
Ariel Vromen: I mean, they can mold into characters.
Speaker:
00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:22,088
Ariel Vromen: I think that for me it depends on the
Speaker:
00:39:22,128 --> 00:39:23,271
Ariel Vromen: material, depends on the actors.
Speaker:
00:39:23,311 --> 00:39:28,886
Ariel Vromen: But I, when I get to set and we read scene
Speaker:
00:39:28,966 --> 00:39:31,071
Ariel Vromen: and we and we block it and we kind of like,
Speaker:
00:39:31,132 --> 00:39:33,946
Ariel Vromen: okay, so let's, let's just and I promise of
Speaker:
00:39:34,006 --> 00:39:35,570
Ariel Vromen: always sitting down and kind of like say,
Speaker:
00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:37,696
Ariel Vromen: okay, I'm watching the movie right now, and
Speaker:
00:39:37,776 --> 00:39:39,088
Ariel Vromen: how, how does it sound?
Speaker:
00:39:40,614 --> 00:39:42,240
Ariel Vromen: And and even that I worked on that scene
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00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,347
Ariel Vromen: and some of the lines I just wrote last
Speaker:
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:49,700
Ariel Vromen: night before, or like whatever, I'm trying
Speaker:
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,424
Ariel Vromen: to listen to my intuition and say, oh no,
Speaker:
00:39:51,444 --> 00:39:53,871
Ariel Vromen: this one doesn't work, we have an issue
Speaker:
00:39:53,931 --> 00:39:54,272
Ariel Vromen: with it.
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00:39:54,372 --> 00:39:57,040
Ariel Vromen: Oh, this part of the scene feels stall, or
Speaker:
00:39:58,103 --> 00:39:59,990
Ariel Vromen: I'm not getting any emotions out of these
Speaker:
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,456
Ariel Vromen: characters right now, when the way it's
Speaker:
00:40:01,496 --> 00:40:02,119
Ariel Vromen: written right now.
Speaker:
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,850
Ariel Vromen: So what I do after, we, after we do like a
Speaker:
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:07,220
Ariel Vromen: little bit of reading and blocking, and if
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00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,066
Ariel Vromen: I still have my stomach starting to turn,
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00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:10,769
Ariel Vromen: which I I'm not feel confident.
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00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:12,132
Ariel Vromen: Basically where we are.
Speaker:
00:40:13,054 --> 00:40:16,059
Ariel Vromen: Then I'm opening a discussion, so I'm
Speaker:
00:40:16,206 --> 00:40:17,933
Ariel Vromen: getting the actors with me and I said, okay.
Speaker:
00:40:17,973 --> 00:40:20,002
Ariel Vromen: So in the beginning I felt really strong,
Speaker:
00:40:20,102 --> 00:40:23,253
Ariel Vromen: but then the turn point, when you said that
Speaker:
00:40:23,293 --> 00:40:26,102
Ariel Vromen: to him, that felt super distance and that
Speaker:
00:40:26,302 --> 00:40:27,467
Ariel Vromen: was not the purpose of the scene.
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00:40:27,487 --> 00:40:29,316
Ariel Vromen: So I'm going back to them, you know, on the
Speaker:
00:40:29,336 --> 00:40:30,903
Ariel Vromen: day, and I said what are we trying to
Speaker:
00:40:30,923 --> 00:40:31,606
Ariel Vromen: achieve in the scene?
Speaker:
00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:33,875
Ariel Vromen: This scene is specifically in the
Speaker:
00:40:33,915 --> 00:40:34,417
Ariel Vromen: storytelling.
Speaker:
00:40:34,457 --> 00:40:36,183
Ariel Vromen: It's got to move us from that.
Speaker:
00:40:36,203 --> 00:40:37,609
Ariel Vromen: This character is going to make a decision
Speaker:
00:40:37,649 --> 00:40:39,478
Ariel Vromen: to do it, but why he makes a decision?
Speaker:
00:40:39,618 --> 00:40:41,005
Ariel Vromen: And then we started to look around for
Speaker:
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,771
Ariel Vromen: props and I'm starting to look around for
Speaker:
00:40:42,852 --> 00:40:44,096
Ariel Vromen: many, for some.
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00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,240
Ariel Vromen: Maybe there is.
Speaker:
00:40:45,542 --> 00:40:47,367
Ariel Vromen: There's a way to say things different now,
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00:40:47,387 --> 00:40:49,071
Ariel Vromen: because English is not my first language.
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00:40:49,772 --> 00:40:52,946
Ariel Vromen: I always encourage my actors to say how
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00:40:52,986 --> 00:40:53,808
Ariel Vromen: would you say it?
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00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:55,973
Ariel Vromen: If you need to basically get out of a
Speaker:
00:40:55,993 --> 00:40:59,306
Ariel Vromen: situation that you just got caught and you
Speaker:
00:40:59,367 --> 00:41:02,777
Ariel Vromen: have five minutes to escape from this
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Ariel Vromen: situation and you need to ask for a favor
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Ariel Vromen: from me, friend, what would be the way that
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Ariel Vromen: you're going to approach it?
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Ariel Vromen: And we know that this group suggested
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Ariel Vromen: certain lines and, but maybe there is a
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Ariel Vromen: better way, and sometimes I do that and we
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Ariel Vromen: found really great magic.
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Marc Preston: But also I've been in experience like that
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Marc Preston: and there's got to be some kind of
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Marc Preston: chemistry that they can bounce off each
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Marc Preston: other pretty well.
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Ariel Vromen: 100 but so, so, so you need to be very,
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Ariel Vromen: very intuitive to that and sensitive to
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Ariel Vromen: that says that moment.
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Ariel Vromen: Because if you, if you, if you're trying to
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Ariel Vromen: create an improvisation or you're trying to
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Ariel Vromen: create what we call a realism within the
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Ariel Vromen: narrative and it doesn't really hold, then
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00:41:42,075 --> 00:41:45,082
Ariel Vromen: in editing you, getting you watching a
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Ariel Vromen: scene that you thought that somehow you
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Ariel Vromen: like what?
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Ariel Vromen: What is this?
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Ariel Vromen: I mean it's, it's even worse than I thought.
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Ariel Vromen: So I learned from my previous mistakes to
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Ariel Vromen: be very careful of when I let the leash go
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00:42:00,777 --> 00:42:02,948
Ariel Vromen: and when I stop believing in the material.
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Ariel Vromen: Kevin Costner is actually the one who
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Ariel Vromen: really taught me that lesson.
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Ariel Vromen: He he is such a strong, strong, strong
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Ariel Vromen: believer on on scripts.
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Ariel Vromen: He would go and see a cut of a filmmaker
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Ariel Vromen: neither mine or others and then he will ask
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Ariel Vromen: to go and watch the assembly cut and he
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Ariel Vromen: will sit down with the original script that
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Ariel Vromen: he got, that he wrote the notes and he will
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00:42:36,644 --> 00:42:39,750
Ariel Vromen: literally say we gotta figure it out how to
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Ariel Vromen: make the words that is written work.
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Ariel Vromen: So that's his method.
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Ariel Vromen: He's very, he's very much so the the script
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Ariel Vromen: for him is a holy bible.
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Ariel Vromen: And then you have actors like Michael
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Ariel Vromen: Shannon, or or really, or or really.
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Ariel Vromen: Otter is like a good example, ready otter.
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Ariel Vromen: He kind of like, doesn't even.
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Ariel Vromen: He, doesn't.
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Ariel Vromen: He read the script but he never reads out
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Ariel Vromen: loud, he never, he, never.
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Ariel Vromen: Before he gets to the set, he never even
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Ariel Vromen: try to say the words that the that the
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Ariel Vromen: character is saying.
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Ariel Vromen: So for him it's much easier to to just try
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Ariel Vromen: and figure it out.
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, this word sounds stupid.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm gonna go say it this way, so, so
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Ariel Vromen: there's actors that you know, that you need
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Ariel Vromen: to know each one, what, what its strength.
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Ariel Vromen: But if you find, if you, if you refine your
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Ariel Vromen: intuition on the set to understand and who
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Ariel Vromen: you're working with, how can you make
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Ariel Vromen: certain scenes better by staying away from
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Ariel Vromen: the script or some certain scene, to stick
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Ariel Vromen: to the script.
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Ariel Vromen: I think it's only experience.
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Marc Preston: Well, it's funny, you mentioned raleigh
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Marc Preston: otter because in the ice man one of the
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Marc Preston: greatest things about him in that film were
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Marc Preston: all the scenes where he had very little
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Marc Preston: dialogue.
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Marc Preston: I mean, he's got those blue eyes, he just,
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00:43:50,166 --> 00:43:52,056
Marc Preston: he just like, just staring, like when he's
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Marc Preston: sitting in the back of the car he comes
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Marc Preston: over to michael shannon's house yeah,
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Marc Preston: towards the end of the movie and he's and
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00:43:56,721 --> 00:43:57,846
Marc Preston: his daughter is trying to walk and he's
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00:43:57,866 --> 00:43:58,830
Marc Preston: just sitting there staring at him.
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Marc Preston: You just don't know.
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Marc Preston: What's that?
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00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:02,404
Marc Preston: That not knowing?
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Ariel Vromen: what's this is great in real life.
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Ariel Vromen: Try, try, try and be on the set with him.
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00:44:06,759 --> 00:44:08,766
Ariel Vromen: He sits on his chair with the page of the
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00:44:08,807 --> 00:44:10,797
Ariel Vromen: script and then it's something like I need
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00:44:10,817 --> 00:44:11,239
Ariel Vromen: to come in.
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Ariel Vromen: And we became really good friends after the
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00:44:12,808 --> 00:44:16,292
Ariel Vromen: ice man and I just did another film with
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Ariel Vromen: him and it's almost like he looked his eyes
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00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,230
Ariel Vromen: and he looked at you straight in the eyes,
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00:44:22,531 --> 00:44:24,337
Ariel Vromen: and, and, and, and, and you like.
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Ariel Vromen: Okay, I'm in trouble.
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00:44:26,204 --> 00:44:27,888
Ariel Vromen: Okay, maybe I'm in trouble but you don't
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Ariel Vromen: know.
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Marc Preston: You have no idea because he's.
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Marc Preston: There is a movie of zimbabwe in 93, 94, I
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00:44:35,287 --> 00:44:36,310
Marc Preston: think it's called like the islander.
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00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:38,155
Marc Preston: Basically they sent prisoners to this
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00:44:38,295 --> 00:44:40,432
Marc Preston: island that are basically on death row.
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Marc Preston: I forgot the name of it, but I interviewed
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Marc Preston: him and I sat down I was at a kind of an
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Marc Preston: outside like a courtyard, kind of a
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00:44:47,678 --> 00:44:49,905
Marc Preston: cocktail plate, whatever it was and and I'm
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00:44:49,925 --> 00:44:51,554
Marc Preston: sitting there talking with him and he says
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00:44:51,574 --> 00:44:53,022
Marc Preston: this kind of cool like you know, he just
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Marc Preston: when you're sitting there just like looking
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00:44:54,451 --> 00:44:55,678
Marc Preston: at you don't know if it's like is he just
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00:44:55,718 --> 00:44:57,849
Marc Preston: really paying attention to me or is he sick
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00:44:57,909 --> 00:44:59,436
Marc Preston: of listening what I have to say?
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Marc Preston: He was just sweet heart of a guy, though,
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00:45:01,243 --> 00:45:02,527
Marc Preston: but he just got that riveting.
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Ariel Vromen: Look, you know he's very nice to to crew
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00:45:05,795 --> 00:45:08,582
Ariel Vromen: and to a filmmaker if he likes you.
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Ariel Vromen: He the first day on ice man he was
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00:45:13,214 --> 00:45:15,140
Ariel Vromen: humiliate, the shit out of me, I mean.
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00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,286
Ariel Vromen: He tried to break me down and I didn't
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Ariel Vromen: bulge and I think the fact that I was
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00:45:19,011 --> 00:45:20,375
Ariel Vromen: insisting on something and I was pretty
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00:45:20,395 --> 00:45:23,191
Ariel Vromen: strong about it got his, got his confidence
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00:45:23,231 --> 00:45:24,898
Ariel Vromen: and what he's, what's his trust to as a
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00:45:24,938 --> 00:45:26,284
Ariel Vromen: filmmaker, is amazing.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, this experience we just had a manny
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Ariel Vromen: two to two together.
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Marc Preston: He was literally he subordinate himself to,
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Marc Preston: to my decisions, which was very, very nice
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Marc Preston: you know, when you look at Kevin Costner,
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00:45:36,265 --> 00:45:38,058
Marc Preston: gary Oldman, tommy Lee Jones, ryan, ryan
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Marc Preston: Reynolds I mean he's going down the list.
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Marc Preston: You're, you're, you're working with these
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00:45:42,067 --> 00:45:43,711
Marc Preston: guys who just their name alone will get a
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00:45:44,252 --> 00:45:44,953
Marc Preston: film green lit.
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Marc Preston: But how do you earn trust?
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00:45:47,165 --> 00:45:49,434
Marc Preston: Because this you know when I've listened to
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00:45:49,535 --> 00:45:51,482
Marc Preston: actors talk about they're working with
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00:45:51,502 --> 00:45:53,129
Marc Preston: directors they're not terribly familiar
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00:45:53,189 --> 00:45:55,036
Marc Preston: with or they've never worked with before.
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00:45:55,799 --> 00:45:57,687
Marc Preston: Trust is a real big thing for them before
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00:45:57,727 --> 00:45:59,133
Marc Preston: they kind of submit to the process.
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Marc Preston: How do you earn that trust?
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Ariel Vromen: I think, I think it's a combination of you
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Ariel Vromen: know, it's, it's I guess part of it is my
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00:46:04,474 --> 00:46:07,164
Ariel Vromen: personality, that is, I'm super passionate
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00:46:07,204 --> 00:46:08,087
Ariel Vromen: when I like something.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, I you just see me now.
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00:46:11,397 --> 00:46:12,762
Ariel Vromen: I just arrived from Mexico City.
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00:46:12,782 --> 00:46:14,588
Ariel Vromen: I literally barely slept for two days
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00:46:14,648 --> 00:46:16,656
Ariel Vromen: because we are like a big, big event that I
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00:46:16,696 --> 00:46:19,066
Ariel Vromen: played and then they basically celebrate my
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00:46:19,106 --> 00:46:21,874
Ariel Vromen: birthday now for so I'm, my energy right
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00:46:21,915 --> 00:46:24,623
Ariel Vromen: now is the lowest possible, but I'm still
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00:46:24,663 --> 00:46:25,746
Ariel Vromen: excited to talk to you.
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00:46:26,067 --> 00:46:27,811
Ariel Vromen: So I guess I guess that's what I do when I
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00:46:27,851 --> 00:46:28,433
Ariel Vromen: meet an actor.
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00:46:28,713 --> 00:46:33,826
Ariel Vromen: I go to my passion source, to why am I
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00:46:33,886 --> 00:46:34,728
Ariel Vromen: doing something?
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00:46:34,868 --> 00:46:39,418
Ariel Vromen: And I'm really trying to, to, to, to get
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00:46:39,498 --> 00:46:42,925
Ariel Vromen: them to join what I'm thinking and what I'm
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00:46:43,105 --> 00:46:47,538
Ariel Vromen: seeing, and, and, and it's also, it's you
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00:46:47,578 --> 00:46:49,243
Ariel Vromen: also got to touch some personal, you know
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00:46:49,263 --> 00:46:49,504
Ariel Vromen: level.
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Ariel Vromen: You understand, like you know, I understand
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00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:52,791
Ariel Vromen: that they're gonna test me.
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00:46:53,914 --> 00:46:56,119
Ariel Vromen: I know the game already, so I kind of like
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00:46:56,966 --> 00:47:00,777
Ariel Vromen: let them throw the arrows and then I'm
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Ariel Vromen: showing them how I respond to that do you
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Ariel Vromen: think it's because that they do?
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Marc Preston: you think they do that because they and
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00:47:05,574 --> 00:47:07,944
Marc Preston: this purely hypothesis because they've got
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Marc Preston: their brand?
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Marc Preston: When you bring Kevin Costner in a movie,
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00:47:10,311 --> 00:47:11,494
Marc Preston: you're not hiring an actor.
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Marc Preston: You're bringing everything he's done, the
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00:47:13,429 --> 00:47:16,762
Marc Preston: brand of who Kevin Costner is, and you know
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00:47:16,802 --> 00:47:18,290
Marc Preston: they're trying to protect their brand.
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00:47:18,511 --> 00:47:19,979
Marc Preston: Do you think that's kind of the reason why
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00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:20,945
Marc Preston: they're testing you, to make sure?
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Ariel Vromen: of it and again, and you need to remember
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Ariel Vromen: Kevin Costner and and or another great
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00:47:27,024 --> 00:47:28,508
Ariel Vromen: friend of mine, that I didn't work with Mel
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Ariel Vromen: Gibson, you know they were.
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Ariel Vromen: They were the highest paid actor back in
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Ariel Vromen: the days.
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Ariel Vromen: They, these guys, used to make 25, 30
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00:47:34,712 --> 00:47:39,185
Ariel Vromen: million dollar per movie and I did meet
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00:47:39,205 --> 00:47:42,350
Ariel Vromen: them and passed their peak time.
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00:47:43,392 --> 00:47:45,796
Ariel Vromen: So it's not so much about branding but it's
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00:47:45,836 --> 00:47:47,319
Ariel Vromen: a mouth, about the experience.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, obviously there's always a
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00:47:51,237 --> 00:47:52,883
Ariel Vromen: combination of how much the studio is
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00:47:52,923 --> 00:47:54,590
Ariel Vromen: paying them to make the movie, whether they
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00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:56,540
Ariel Vromen: say, okay, I cannot say no to 10 million
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00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,746
Ariel Vromen: dollars or eight million dollars, I'm going
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00:47:57,766 --> 00:47:59,813
Ariel Vromen: to do it and let me just work out with this
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00:47:59,873 --> 00:48:01,499
Ariel Vromen: young director or whatever it is.
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00:48:02,443 --> 00:48:04,869
Ariel Vromen: And sometimes it's really you you need to
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00:48:04,929 --> 00:48:07,374
Ariel Vromen: come in and and with your passion, hard,
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00:48:07,394 --> 00:48:11,008
Ariel Vromen: like listen, I, I made Tommy Lee, you know,
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00:48:11,048 --> 00:48:12,334
Ariel Vromen: get Tommy Lee Jones to work.
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00:48:12,375 --> 00:48:13,823
Ariel Vromen: That was, I knew that he comes in for the
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00:48:13,864 --> 00:48:14,064
Ariel Vromen: money.
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00:48:14,064 --> 00:48:15,568
Ariel Vromen: He didn't care about the role, he didn't
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00:48:15,588 --> 00:48:18,776
Ariel Vromen: care about anything, but I killed him with
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00:48:18,816 --> 00:48:21,210
Ariel Vromen: my kindness and then we stay friends.
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00:48:21,671 --> 00:48:24,080
Ariel Vromen: So now he comes to relay and I helped his
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00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,387
Ariel Vromen: daughter to make it a job and da, da, da we
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00:48:26,407 --> 00:48:26,548
Ariel Vromen: be.
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00:48:26,808 --> 00:48:28,673
Ariel Vromen: So you develop a relationship and then
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00:48:28,713 --> 00:48:30,537
Ariel Vromen: obviously it's, it's easier in the future.
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Ariel Vromen: Although I did a mistake in my career, I
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00:48:32,952 --> 00:48:35,962
Ariel Vromen: think that if you're really watching
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00:48:36,002 --> 00:48:38,872
Ariel Vromen: successful directors and filmmakers that
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00:48:38,932 --> 00:48:40,899
Ariel Vromen: had the chance to work with big actors,
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00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:42,925
Ariel Vromen: because really not a lot of people had the
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00:48:42,945 --> 00:48:46,031
Ariel Vromen: chance to work with the A-list actors and
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00:48:46,511 --> 00:48:50,438
Ariel Vromen: smart directors not as much as I am writing
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00:48:50,498 --> 00:48:53,350
Ariel Vromen: those stars it's called if you, if you, if
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00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:57,280
Ariel Vromen: you actually capture and movie star to work
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Ariel Vromen: with you, you need to to ride him, which
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Ariel Vromen: mean he worked with Michael Shannon.
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Ariel Vromen: Yes, you gave him the his first big movie
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Ariel Vromen: opportunity.
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Ariel Vromen: You guys had a great success together.
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Ariel Vromen: You need to do everything to keep on
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Ariel Vromen: working with him.
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Ariel Vromen: You work with Kevin Costner, no matter what.
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Ariel Vromen: Yes, you need to work with him you work
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Ariel Vromen: with Ryan Ryan.
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Marc Preston: Are you saying that's the conventional
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Marc Preston: thinking?
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Marc Preston: Is what you're saying?
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Ariel Vromen: that's.
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Ariel Vromen: That's really.
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Ariel Vromen: If you're looking at career of big
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Ariel Vromen: directors, from Marty's Cossessa to you
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Ariel Vromen: know the final actor, the actor works for
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Ariel Vromen: them and they just writing this actor.
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Ariel Vromen: They will do as many movies they can do
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Ariel Vromen: that these actors will somehow fit and then
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Ariel Vromen: they're gonna expand and move somewhere
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Ariel Vromen: else.
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Ariel Vromen: But I did kind of like I'm gonna stay
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Ariel Vromen: because I worked with all those great
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Ariel Vromen: actors and then I never worked with them
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Ariel Vromen: again.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, ray is the first actor that I
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Ariel Vromen: worked again with.
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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work again with James Franco.
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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work again with Michael Shannon,
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Ariel Vromen: didn't work with with Rinauner Rider.
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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Marisa Tomei, I didn't
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Ariel Vromen: work with Kevin.
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Ariel Vromen: Yet what are we looking for?
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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Gary Oldman.
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Ariel Vromen: I didn't work with Ryan Ryan I mean all
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Ariel Vromen: those names even with Gal I, because for me
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Ariel Vromen: it's like I don't like to make movies as
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Ariel Vromen: much often like I cannot make a movie every
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Ariel Vromen: year, so for me it's usually the average of
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Ariel Vromen: like every two, three years I'm making a
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Ariel Vromen: film and when I make a film I see a story
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Ariel Vromen: and that story has faces, and those faces
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Ariel Vromen: has nothing to do with the faces that I
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Ariel Vromen: wear I worked with, at least in my mind,
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Ariel Vromen: that's.
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Marc Preston: That's the point about casting that I had
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Marc Preston: for you.
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Marc Preston: It seems like everyone, not everyone, but
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Marc Preston: like Kevin Costa, even time he'll eat Jones
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Marc Preston: to a degree, james Franco or Chris Evans
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Marc Preston: even, or a David Schwimmer.
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Marc Preston: Is it a conscious choice in these films
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Marc Preston: that they're brand and kind of what we know
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Marc Preston: them to be and most other films or shows
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Marc Preston: are in.
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Marc Preston: They weren't really those guys.
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Marc Preston: I mean, captain America, you had to pack up
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Marc Preston: people's bodies and you know, freezer you
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Marc Preston: know, is that a conscious?
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Ariel Vromen: choice.
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Ariel Vromen: Chris will tell you.
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Ariel Vromen: If you're gonna ask Chris about the ice man,
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Ariel Vromen: he still is one of his best roles, I mean
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Ariel Vromen: as a performer.
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Marc Preston: I honestly had not seen the ice man, for
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Marc Preston: whatever reason.
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Marc Preston: This kind of size I checked it out a little
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Marc Preston: while back is like.
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Marc Preston: Every character is like I didn't know
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Marc Preston: that's David Schwimmer at first took me a
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Marc Preston: moment to register.
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Marc Preston: Oh, that's David Schwimmer, yeah yeah but
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Marc Preston: no like about that Chris Evans character.
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Marc Preston: It's like, okay, do I need to like this guy
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Marc Preston: because he's kind of quirky but he's doing
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Marc Preston: some horrible, horrible things, and I think
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Marc Preston: that that's another thing.
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Marc Preston: As kind of a through line is is both then
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Marc Preston: with Michael Shannon, with Kevin Costner's
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Marc Preston: characters.
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Marc Preston: These are people who are morally
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Marc Preston: reprehensible to some degree, but you still
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Marc Preston: there's still the hero kind of.
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Marc Preston: You're still kind of rooting for them in a
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Marc Preston: way, and that's a trick.
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Ariel Vromen: I have the hero story I love.
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Ariel Vromen: I for me, it's like you know, every time.
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Ariel Vromen: Um, although I gotta say in the new film I
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Ariel Vromen: did it's the first film that the villain
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Ariel Vromen: which played by Raleigh Ota brilliantly,
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Ariel Vromen: actually is a very defined villain.
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Ariel Vromen: But in in cinema and in TV it's very hard
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Ariel Vromen: to see good villains.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean you really.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean a real bad guy.
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Ariel Vromen: It's like you really need to dig deep.
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Ariel Vromen: So I always believe that the real bad guy
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Ariel Vromen: is within the guy itself.
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Ariel Vromen: So it's like, if I'm telling a story about
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Ariel Vromen: you, so what is the conflict?
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Ariel Vromen: What is the devil?
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Ariel Vromen: Where?
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Ariel Vromen: Where is Satan sits?
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Ariel Vromen: He sits within you.
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Marc Preston: So I always was attracted to stories like
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Marc Preston: that, where with, with the, with the
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Marc Preston: villain is is is the person itself but any
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Marc Preston: father identifies with Michael Shannon
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Marc Preston: because you look at that guy and go, god,
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Marc Preston: that's he's he.
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Marc Preston: You believe him when he says I'm doing
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Marc Preston: everything for my family.
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Marc Preston: You believe him when you're casting.
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Marc Preston: How do you, fundamentally, how do you make
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Marc Preston: your casting choice?
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Marc Preston: And I've auditioned.
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Marc Preston: I've been very fortunate.
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Marc Preston: I've auditioned for some phenomenal
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Marc Preston: directors on callbacks.
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Marc Preston: I wasn't cast and they won Academy Awards.
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Marc Preston: So I think the key is get me on a callback,
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Marc Preston: don't cast me.
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Marc Preston: That's when you can win an award.
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Marc Preston: Apparently, you have a great voice.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm enjoying just listening to you.
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, that's very kind of you, by the way.
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Ariel Vromen: That's for me, that's a starting point.
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Ariel Vromen: Voice, voice, voice for me is one of the
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Ariel Vromen: most important believe it or not things in
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Ariel Vromen: casting.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, if I have a great looking, a great
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Ariel Vromen: looking female or man, and they look great,
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Ariel Vromen: and everybody say, oh, he's going to be a
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Ariel Vromen: movie star, and then they're coming in and
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Ariel Vromen: they open and the open line is like hi oh,
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Ariel Vromen: no, no, no, no.
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Ariel Vromen: I cannot just in front of them.
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Ariel Vromen: How can I watch them?
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Ariel Vromen: And editing for a year, so voice is a big
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Ariel Vromen: deal.
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Ariel Vromen: But I think what people need to understand
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Ariel Vromen: and focus at home that watching this and
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Ariel Vromen: the casting process of the movie is you
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Ariel Vromen: have two stages of it.
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Ariel Vromen: You have first of all what I call the live
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00:53:55,518 --> 00:53:57,644
Ariel Vromen: or die casting, which means you need to
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Ariel Vromen: find your foundation pillars that will
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Ariel Vromen: justify this movie to be exist, and that
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Ariel Vromen: process is long usually.
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Marc Preston: Is that related to financing?
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, when you say, oh, here's a script,
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Ariel Vromen: great, what do you want to do to it, ariel?
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, I want to do this.
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Ariel Vromen: I want to change.
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Ariel Vromen: I want to make the opening different.
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Ariel Vromen: I want to make the ending.
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Ariel Vromen: For me, the movie is about that.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm seeing visually this, so I'm sending
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Ariel Vromen: myself, or the vision.
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Ariel Vromen: But once that happened, no movie is going
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Ariel Vromen: to go into production.
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Ariel Vromen: If the star of the film, or if it's a
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Ariel Vromen: female or a male, would justify the budget,
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Ariel Vromen: because you need a certain amount of money
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Ariel Vromen: to make this film, you ask him for certain
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Ariel Vromen: amount of days to make this movie, so you
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Ariel Vromen: need to be justified.
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Ariel Vromen: So then the studio said okay, so who do you
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Ariel Vromen: want?
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Ariel Vromen: And I'm going to go to Iceman, because
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Ariel Vromen: that's a great story of casting.
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Ariel Vromen: And I said well, I saw a play in New York
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Ariel Vromen: with Michael Shannon and I saw another.
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Ariel Vromen: He did this movie with Leo, that some,
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Ariel Vromen: what's his name?
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Ariel Vromen: He was nominated for Academy Award for that.
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Ariel Vromen: It's Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet and
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Ariel Vromen: Michael Shannon in a some maybe not some, I
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Ariel Vromen: can't remember what was the name of the
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Ariel Vromen: director of American Beauty.
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Ariel Vromen: He directed 1917 as well.
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Ariel Vromen: Anyway, we Google this.
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Ariel Vromen: Folks don't Google.
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Ariel Vromen: But anyway, the point is like I saw Michael
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Ariel Vromen: Shannon as like, this is the guy, this is
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Ariel Vromen: my guy.
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Ariel Vromen: And I came to the studio and I remember at
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Ariel Vromen: that point that at Plymes Gate and
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Ariel Vromen: Millennium and every learner looking at me
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Ariel Vromen: as like Michael who, and I was like, hey,
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Ariel Vromen: it was Academy Award nominated for this
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Ariel Vromen: film and he's amazing theater actors and
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Ariel Vromen: he's, look at him, he looked like Jaws in
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Ariel Vromen: James Bond.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, for me it's like you know the, he
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00:56:07,454 --> 00:56:08,136
Ariel Vromen: looks like the guy.
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Ariel Vromen: And he said no.
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Ariel Vromen: I said why don't you get Sylvester Stallone
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Ariel Vromen: to play?
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, I'll watch what's in here or whatever,
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Ariel Vromen: whatever the name they throw me to play the
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Ariel Vromen: lead, I don't like no.
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Ariel Vromen: So I had to go and shoot and pay for it on
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00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:27,450
Ariel Vromen: my own money and the producer Elblibur, we
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Ariel Vromen: paid and we made a test scene with Michael
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Ariel Vromen: Shannon and that test scene got the
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Ariel Vromen: confidence of the studio that this guy can
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Ariel Vromen: do, because sometimes and by then they told
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Ariel Vromen: me, but around him you need to have movie
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Ariel Vromen: stars.
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Ariel Vromen: So I had to go and you know, and ask James
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Ariel Vromen: to come and James was supposed to play
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Ariel Vromen: Chris Evans role but then James dad passed
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Ariel Vromen: away so he could not make it.
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Ariel Vromen: So then I asked him favor from Chris, which
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Ariel Vromen: I knew.
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Ariel Vromen: So Chris came on the board and then it was
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Ariel Vromen: Benicio del Toroio that was before really
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Ariel Vromen: auto attached.
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Ariel Vromen: Then I had to get, so I had to put you.
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Ariel Vromen: Sometimes it's like you know you have to
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Ariel Vromen: pile up.
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Ariel Vromen: If you're fighting for a main guy, that is
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Ariel Vromen: not a name per se, it's old formulation
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Ariel Vromen: financing you had to always surround it
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Ariel Vromen: with a lot of names.
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Marc Preston: It's kind of like if you're cooking, you
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Marc Preston: want to have your main ingredients got to
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Marc Preston: be what you wanted to be, but the
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Marc Preston: supporting ingredients, this seasonings you
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Marc Preston: want to make sure that they're on point as
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Marc Preston: well 100% and but it's a brutal process.
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Ariel Vromen: It's because sometimes you are looking for
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Ariel Vromen: your perfect actors and who are the best
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Ariel Vromen: actors that I can come in, and especially
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Ariel Vromen: that you know what you, what we're starting
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Ariel Vromen: to find out right now in making movies or
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Ariel Vromen: television is that nobody is available.
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Ariel Vromen: Nobody is available.
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Ariel Vromen: It's like I mean you, you way, you need to
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Ariel Vromen: wait today anywhere between six to 18
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Ariel Vromen: months to majority of cast Because
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Ariel Vromen: everybody's booked.
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Ariel Vromen: There's so much because movie, movie stars
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Ariel Vromen: used to only make movies.
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Ariel Vromen: So no problem, we're gonna.
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Ariel Vromen: You know they're making movie and then
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Ariel Vromen: what's the next picture?
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Ariel Vromen: Now they're making movies and then between
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Ariel Vromen: the movies they're making six months of TV
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Ariel Vromen: and then after that's a making, and then
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Ariel Vromen: they cannot and they have an obligation to
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Ariel Vromen: Marvel because they already did the
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Ariel Vromen: Avengers and gone for a year, and then they
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Ariel Vromen: coming back like no, they have a show with
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Ariel Vromen: Apple and no show with Apple, so that's
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Ariel Vromen: another five months.
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Ariel Vromen: So availability right now is brutal.
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Marc Preston: And, by the way, on that note, I don't even
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Marc Preston: know how some of these movies get made,
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Marc Preston: because you've got to get least like these
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Marc Preston: Avengers movies.
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Marc Preston: You have to get five, six people, all with
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Marc Preston: a schedule aligning to.
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Marc Preston: You know, get them in there.
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Ariel Vromen: Crazy amount of money and and those money's
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Ariel Vromen: are paid and everybody that is in that food
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Ariel Vromen: chain is doing everything in his power to
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Ariel Vromen: convince, to influence and to maintain the
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Ariel Vromen: fact that the star is going to be there on
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Ariel Vromen: time and available with his family in
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Ariel Vromen: London, whatever they're shooting the show.
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Ariel Vromen: So availability has become, but because of
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Ariel Vromen: the world we're living also now and
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Ariel Vromen: streamers starting to realize that is that
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Ariel Vromen: names is not necessarily you know, because
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Ariel Vromen: because they don't need to get you out of
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Ariel Vromen: the house to watch a movie, you know, and
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Ariel Vromen: how many movie stars today you will go and
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Ariel Vromen: watch, whatever they do, maybe for me,
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Ariel Vromen: maybe couple Leo the Caprio.
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Marc Preston: Well, I say the angels, great example.
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Marc Preston: The most people not terribly familiar with
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Marc Preston: the names of some of the people in the film,
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Marc Preston: but man, it's just.
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Marc Preston: In fact I started watching it some time ago,
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Marc Preston: not even realizing directed it yet.
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Marc Preston: I just kind of was it was come on.
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Marc Preston: I was just sitting down as I'm going to
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Marc Preston: bite to eat and I was like man, I'm in,
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Marc Preston: yeah, I'm in this.
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Marc Preston: And one of the things I love about that and
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Marc Preston: that, the look of that and also the look of
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Marc Preston: criminal.
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Marc Preston: Do you use the same DP or cinematographer?
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Marc Preston: Do you have a preference?
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Marc Preston: Do you come in there with a look in mind?
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Ariel Vromen: that I think I think I found the guy that I
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Ariel Vromen: you know, want to get all with on this
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Ariel Vromen: movie.
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Ariel Vromen: Frankie DeMarco is a DP that tried to work
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Ariel Vromen: with me for 10 years.
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Ariel Vromen: He's been always trying to and somehow I
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Ariel Vromen: always chose somebody else.
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Ariel Vromen: So, but no, I mean, I mean, if you're going
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Ariel Vromen: to interview the DPs I work with, or
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Ariel Vromen: Frankie, you know, you would, then will
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Ariel Vromen: tell you I'm very, very much involved in
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Ariel Vromen: where the camera is, what lenses, how the
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Ariel Vromen: lighting feels, what's the temperature of
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Ariel Vromen: that room feels like.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm very much involved and I think that if
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Ariel Vromen: you're putting all the movies together,
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Ariel Vromen: they all kind of like have a similarity on
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Ariel Vromen: the field.
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Ariel Vromen: Some of them is a little bit more action,
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Ariel Vromen: but still, you know, there is like the long
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Ariel Vromen: lenses and or whatever, whatever.
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Ariel Vromen: I choose to tell a story in a separate
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Ariel Vromen: scene, but I was unfortunate to not
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Ariel Vromen: necessarily have that DP that through all
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Ariel Vromen: these years.
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Ariel Vromen: Because, again, I can tell you that it's a
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Ariel Vromen: huge relief when you have already your crew
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Ariel Vromen: ready and the band is just coming back
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Ariel Vromen: together to just do another tour.
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Ariel Vromen: It makes a huge difference on the quality
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Ariel Vromen: and the process of making a film.
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Ariel Vromen: Obviously there's well I love that.
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Marc Preston: I mean just the this, the amount of
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Marc Preston: handheld stuff that was going on in
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Marc Preston: criminal.
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Marc Preston: I just I just love the feel that this the
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Marc Preston: it reminded me it did have a tone like the
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Marc Preston: Bourne movies that did have that same kind
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Marc Preston: of you felt like that, the action or the
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Marc Preston: moment of never really let up, you know.
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Announcer: I just, I just really.
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Marc Preston: I really enjoyed it just from that
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Marc Preston: aesthetic point of view there.
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Marc Preston: But, um, what were your movies as a kid?
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Marc Preston: Were they the action movies?
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Marc Preston: Were they just a constellation of different
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Marc Preston: stuff?
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Ariel Vromen: Many, many, many creators.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, I was obsessed about Hitchcock.
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Ariel Vromen: This was like kind of like the main the
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Ariel Vromen: American, british influence that I had as a
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Ariel Vromen: kid, like the first movie I watched in.
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Ariel Vromen: I think the first movie I watched in my
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Ariel Vromen: life was Rare Window and I was obsessed
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Ariel Vromen: about him.
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Ariel Vromen: But then again you know my brother who was
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Ariel Vromen: a real big film buff and he won every
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Ariel Vromen: competition about film knowledge and then
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Ariel Vromen: of course became a lawyer and then venture
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Ariel Vromen: capital and went to do I-Tech.
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Marc Preston: Y'all did the other thing.
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Marc Preston: You weren't wanting to necessarily do film.
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Marc Preston: You ended up in film.
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Marc Preston: He was wanting to do creative.
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Marc Preston: He was a genius.
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Ariel Vromen: He was literally.
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Ariel Vromen: My brother was the genius.
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Ariel Vromen: You know, I was like the, maybe the
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Ariel Vromen: technical guy and a person and a people
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Ariel Vromen: person and he was more closed and but the
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Ariel Vromen: genius, you know, he watched every
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Ariel Vromen: Tarkovsky and Fellini, and then three, four
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Ariel Vromen: and so, but by him going and watching
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Ariel Vromen: whatever it was, from Woody Allen to every,
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Ariel Vromen: every, every, every really amazing
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Ariel Vromen: filmmaker in the history of filmmaking was
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Ariel Vromen: somehow I was exposed to it in a very young
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Ariel Vromen: age, so I was sitting there and watching,
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Ariel Vromen: you know, claude La Luche movies and like,
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Ariel Vromen: like crazy French.
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Marc Preston: How much older than you is he?
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Marc Preston: Five years.
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Ariel Vromen: Five years.
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Ariel Vromen: So basically, when he was a teenager and I
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Ariel Vromen: was 11, 12 years old, I was already sitting
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Ariel Vromen: down and watching all those amazing films
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Ariel Vromen: of those great filmmakers, not even
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Ariel Vromen: understanding what I'm watching some of
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Ariel Vromen: them, but understanding that there is a
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Ariel Vromen: much bigger layer into cinema than just a
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Ariel Vromen: story and a projection of, of of an action.
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Ariel Vromen: But you know, I still tell my brother
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Ariel Vromen: sometimes it's like, man, imagine that we
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Ariel Vromen: were the Roman brothers.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean now, look at the brothers.
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Ariel Vromen: Every, every, every, all the brothers are
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Ariel Vromen: doing so well, you know, because they got
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Ariel Vromen: to be one brother that he's really really
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Ariel Vromen: deep in his mind and his knowledge and his
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Ariel Vromen: depth.
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Ariel Vromen: And there's another brother that is really
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Ariel Vromen: visuals and and and eccentric and can, can,
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Ariel Vromen: can convince people.
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Ariel Vromen: And I was that guy.
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Ariel Vromen: My brother is definitely, you know, was the
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Ariel Vromen: deep, deep, deep, deep person.
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Ariel Vromen: Like until today, like every time I'm
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Ariel Vromen: talking to him about films it's, it's
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Ariel Vromen: almost become annoying because he's so
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Ariel Vromen: smart and he can.
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Ariel Vromen: You know he's like, oh, if you would watch
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Ariel Vromen: Bergman movie that he did and did it in the
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Ariel Vromen: 67, you know you're going to be like funny
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Ariel Vromen: and Alexander.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, like that idea that ever it in the
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Marc Preston: past, movies influenced the way things done.
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Marc Preston: Anthony Bourdain on his show, he always had
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Marc Preston: this one, edie.
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Marc Preston: He was always trying to find a directing
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Marc Preston: style or a cinematography style from some
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Marc Preston: movie and how that be what influenced a
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Marc Preston: different episode, and then he and I would.
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Marc Preston: I'll be the first to admit there are a lot
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Marc Preston: of names that influence a lot of great
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Marc Preston: filmmakers.
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Marc Preston: I've never seen their work, but it gives me
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Marc Preston: something to sit down with.
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Marc Preston: All these streamers, all the stuff's
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Marc Preston: available, you can watch it somewhere.
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Ariel Vromen: By the way, it's not that true, because a
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Ariel Vromen: lot of the great film in the history of
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Ariel Vromen: cinema is not is not available.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, maybe you can buy some on iTunes
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Ariel Vromen: and Amazon.
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Ariel Vromen: But Netflix, by the way, on its first round
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Ariel Vromen: was full of amazing source of materials, of
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Ariel Vromen: foreign films and the libraries were
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Ariel Vromen: incredible.
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Ariel Vromen: But they switch all those libraries to
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Ariel Vromen: originals and the regionals, as you know.
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Ariel Vromen: It's a hit and miss with them.
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Ariel Vromen: So I actually wonder if I think there is,
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Ariel Vromen: like there used to be, a great channel on
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Ariel Vromen: cables that used to have all those great
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Ariel Vromen: films.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, who knows?
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Marc Preston: who's got like the criterion collection or
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Marc Preston: whatever?
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah, something like that.
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Ariel Vromen: So, by the way, I wonder when is going to
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Ariel Vromen: be the next streamer that just going to be.
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Ariel Vromen: But then again, these are these, all
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Ariel Vromen: libraries.
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Marc Preston: Who knows even who control the rights of
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Marc Preston: all those films right now in terms of
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Marc Preston: that's the thing, which is it's a little
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Marc Preston: bit of the Wild West, but it's interesting
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Marc Preston: to kind of sit back and watch it.
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Marc Preston: But as far as being a creator, you know
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Marc Preston: right now there's work for you, you know
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Marc Preston: there are things to do and that's like the
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Marc Preston: zen of it.
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, there's work.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm telling you, actually friends of mine,
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Ariel Vromen: that acting and that's like man you're
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Ariel Vromen: living in definitely the golden age you
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Ariel Vromen: know for busy.
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Marc Preston: Well, ariel, I got real quick what I call
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Marc Preston: my presence lucky.
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Marc Preston: Seven like fire off.
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Marc Preston: Seven questions Everybody work with this
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Marc Preston: little extra insight and, you know, let you
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Marc Preston: get going and hang out with that lovely
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Marc Preston: three-year-old.
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Marc Preston: You got First question.
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Marc Preston: I got what is your favorite comfort food?
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Marc Preston: I'm very curious.
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Marc Preston: Being Jewish, I'm like people coming from
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Marc Preston: Israel, or you know.
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Marc Preston: It's like, is it something from home or is
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Marc Preston: it something no?
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Ariel Vromen: no, it's a great question I love the
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Ariel Vromen: matzabal soup and there is nothing I like
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Ariel Vromen: more.
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Ariel Vromen: Do you go down?
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Marc Preston: to Cantor's Deli down at Fairfax.
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Ariel Vromen: No, it's actually Cantor's.
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Ariel Vromen: It's still open, but there was like there
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Ariel Vromen: was a Green Blood.
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Ariel Vromen: There was Green Blood Deli on on Sunset and
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Ariel Vromen: next to the Laugh Factory, but they shut
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Ariel Vromen: down.
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Ariel Vromen: So they had the best matzabal soup, but
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Ariel Vromen: they're not existing.
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Marc Preston: I tell you what if you make your way, if
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Marc Preston: you're down in New Orleans or next time in
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Marc Preston: LA, I've got the recipe.
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Marc Preston: See, I know my recipe is good.
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Marc Preston: It's something I came up with because my
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Marc Preston: family handed it over to me, said OK, pass
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Marc Preston: over, you're the guy.
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Marc Preston: And then my ex-wife's family did the same
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Marc Preston: thing.
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Marc Preston: I'm like, well, I'm a big fan of making a
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Marc Preston: more like a stew, not like that clear broth.
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Marc Preston: I like a little chunks of chicken and this
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Marc Preston: is stew is amazing.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, for me it's like you know.
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Ariel Vromen: Another food that I love and it is a
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Ariel Vromen: comfort is I love good hummus, but that's
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Ariel Vromen: because I'm from Israel, Of course, but in
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Ariel Vromen: LA they got some good restaurants, so I
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Ariel Vromen: found some good, but yeah, hummus and
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Ariel Vromen: matzabal soup, those are the two things
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Ariel Vromen: that, if I eat them, I feel home.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, that, and you know, for me it's a
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Marc Preston: funny mention matzabal soup, that and
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Marc Preston: making locks and I, you know I actually
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Marc Preston: taught my daughter and she basically does
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Marc Preston: it.
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Marc Preston: Now we go get some good salmon, cure it, we
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Marc Preston: make it at home and it's better than
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Marc Preston: anything and get in the store too.
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Marc Preston: You know that's right.
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Marc Preston: But I can talk all day about food.
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Marc Preston: But if you were to sit down, next question
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Marc Preston: three people, anybody in the world are we
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Marc Preston: going to sit down and just have a coffee
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Marc Preston: and just four of y'all at a table have a
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Marc Preston: talk?
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Marc Preston: Who are three people you would love to sit
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Marc Preston: down with?
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Ariel Vromen: I would say I would love to sit with Martin
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Ariel Vromen: Scorsese.
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Ariel Vromen: He's following me on Instagram but I could
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Ariel Vromen: not get a coffee with him yet.
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Ariel Vromen: I would love to sit with, and I did sit
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Ariel Vromen: with him, but I just like, even now more
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Ariel Vromen: curious to hear more about what he has to
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Ariel Vromen: say with Elon Musk, just like to see where
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Ariel Vromen: his mindset is.
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Ariel Vromen: And I would say, another person that I was
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Ariel Vromen: lately very curious to talk I guess it's
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Ariel Vromen: maybe Helen Mirren.
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Ariel Vromen: I heard some amazing interviews and I just
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Ariel Vromen: like, and a friend of mine just did a movie
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Ariel Vromen: with her, a guy named Tiv Golda, and even
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Ariel Vromen: what he told me about the experience of
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Ariel Vromen: working with her was just incredible.
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Marc Preston: She was cast to play Golda Meir and there
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Marc Preston: was some issues like they said well, she's
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Marc Preston: not Jewish.
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Marc Preston: No, I can't imagine any other living
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Marc Preston: actress that could do that.
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Ariel Vromen: Oh, she's Tricenomo.
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Marc Preston: Yeah, and I remember when we were younger.
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Marc Preston: Of course you're in Israel, but I remember
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Marc Preston: being in Sunday school and we watched the
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Marc Preston: Golda Meir movie the one back in the early
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Marc Preston: 80s and I was like man, that's like, that's
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Marc Preston: the Iron Lady.
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Marc Preston: There's something about her.
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Marc Preston: One of my favorite quotes from her, simi
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Marc Preston: said what do you wish you'd done more of,
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Marc Preston: or whatever in life?
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Marc Preston: She's like I wish I would have told more
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Marc Preston: people to fuck off.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah.
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Marc Preston: Now another question who was your celebrity
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Marc Preston: crush growing up?
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Marc Preston: Though that was your next question.
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Announcer: Hmm.
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Ariel Vromen: I think, it was a French actress, sophie
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Ariel Vromen: Marceau.
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Ariel Vromen: She was braveheart and she was also in that
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Ariel Vromen: French film that I was a kid I was obsessed
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Ariel Vromen: about, called the party la boom, so yeah
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Ariel Vromen: she, you're giving me so many movies to
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Ariel Vromen: write.
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Marc Preston: I've been making notes of some of these
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Marc Preston: movies here that I need to go watch, you
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Marc Preston: know.
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Marc Preston: Now.
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Marc Preston: Next question, real quick, is what is your
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Marc Preston: definition of a perfect day?
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Marc Preston: You know, get up, you get going and just
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Marc Preston: kind of the arc of the day, what would be a
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Marc Preston: perfect day for you?
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Ariel Vromen: I think a perfect day is a day that, first
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Ariel Vromen: of all, I have no pain as you can relate to,
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Ariel Vromen: so no body pain that I don't need to deal
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Ariel Vromen: with anything with my health, so that's a
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Ariel Vromen: good day.
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Ariel Vromen: I think another good day is any moment of
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Ariel Vromen: the day that I found myself receiving some
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Ariel Vromen: good news on some of my journey path, For
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Ariel Vromen: instance, you know, booking a big show, or
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Ariel Vromen: getting an actor saying yes, or watching a
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Ariel Vromen: scene and finally it's working and the cut.
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Ariel Vromen: Or showing the movie to people and getting
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Ariel Vromen: good response, or hearing my daughter
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Ariel Vromen: saying in your words so I think every good
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Ariel Vromen: news about the process, about any process
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Ariel Vromen: that you are in a day always get me really
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Ariel Vromen: satisfied and pumped.
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Ariel Vromen: And, by the way, sometimes a good day is
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Ariel Vromen: also a very negative, like if I'm getting
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Ariel Vromen: rejected, like a strong rejection for me is
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Ariel Vromen: also I learn how to turn it into a positive
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Ariel Vromen: feeling.
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Marc Preston: It's so funny you say that because I am
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Marc Preston: very much the same way, because I, you know,
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Marc Preston: you know doing being a director, you know
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Marc Preston: working in this industry.
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Marc Preston: I mean you know every part of the process
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Marc Preston: or wins and losses, but all together it's
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Marc Preston: an education you know, Now the other
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Marc Preston: question is, of course, since you're not
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Marc Preston: just film, but music, you're on an island
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Marc Preston: one year, one album, one DVD can bring with
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Marc Preston: you for that whole year.
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Marc Preston: What would that album be and what would
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Marc Preston: that?
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Ariel Vromen: DVD be?
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Ariel Vromen: That's almost one of the toughest questions
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Ariel Vromen: I've ever been.
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Ariel Vromen: Asked To choose one album and one movie or
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Ariel Vromen: show, I would probably say that I would go
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Ariel Vromen: for probably some one of probably a Pink
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Ariel Vromen: Floyd album, maybe Dark Side of the Moon.
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Ariel Vromen: I know I'm still obsessed about Pink Floyd
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Ariel Vromen: and if it was a movie and one movie that I
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Ariel Vromen: could watch it again and again, I think it
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Ariel Vromen: would be Plain Trains and Automobiles.
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Marc Preston: That is so crazy.
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Marc Preston: I literally last fell.
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Marc Preston: I spoke with comedian Craig Schumacher said
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Marc Preston: the exact same thing, so already out of the
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Marc Preston: gate we got a theme running in my show here.
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Announcer: Plain Trains and Automobiles.
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Marc Preston: But who doesn't love John Candy?
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Marc Preston: You know.
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Marc Preston: I mean, he's the guy that left us too soon.
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Ariel Vromen: I watched that film.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm not joking.
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Ariel Vromen: I watched that movie about a thousand times.
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Ariel Vromen: Every time I watch it, I can just rewatch
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Ariel Vromen: it, and Steve Martin.
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Ariel Vromen: It's just like it was one of the best
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Ariel Vromen: Christmas films of all time.
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Marc Preston: Now you're going to say that's another.
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Marc Preston: I just got to go rewatch that Now.
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Marc Preston: Next question if you weren't doing this for
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Marc Preston: a living, what would you be doing Outside
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Marc Preston: of directing?
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Ariel Vromen: and making music and DJing.
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Ariel Vromen: Exactly, I can't, I cannot, you know, it's
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Ariel Vromen: so much.
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Ariel Vromen: It's funny that because so many I had.
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Ariel Vromen: Like you know, when you're going through
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Ariel Vromen: some downsides in your career or when
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Ariel Vromen: you're not necessarily doing everything
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Ariel Vromen: that you wanted to do, I always have those
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Ariel Vromen: questions like, okay, I'm quitting what I'm
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Ariel Vromen: going to do, I'm going to go back to
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Ariel Vromen: working in companies and high tech, or no,
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Ariel Vromen: I really will fight to death to keep on
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Ariel Vromen: doing what I'm doing.
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Ariel Vromen: I really cannot think about anything that
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Ariel Vromen: will make me satisfy.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, and that's that's goes along also
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Ariel Vromen: with a lot of money.
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Ariel Vromen: Like I mean, if somebody's going to come to
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Ariel Vromen: me, they just leave everything you do right
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Ariel Vromen: now, leave the music, leave the film, and
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Ariel Vromen: here's a paycheck that's going to turn your
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Ariel Vromen: life into like golden cage.
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Ariel Vromen: I will be saying respectfully and humbly no,
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Ariel Vromen: no, because money is never it was never a
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Ariel Vromen: driving force in my life.
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Marc Preston: That's a litmus test.
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Marc Preston: You're doing what you need to be doing,
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Marc Preston: right, because you can't see doing anything
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Marc Preston: else.
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Marc Preston: You know that's that's the way I look at it.
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Marc Preston: You know, if you love what you're doing and
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Marc Preston: you can't imagine yourself doing anything
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Marc Preston: else I've heard many actors that I've
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Marc Preston: spoken with over the years say that it's
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Marc Preston: like if you can't imagine doing anything
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Marc Preston: else, then this is the thing for you.
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Ariel Vromen: Yeah.
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Marc Preston: Now last question if you could jump into
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Marc Preston: your DeLorean cruise back to when you're 16
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Marc Preston: years old, what is just that piece of
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Marc Preston: advice you're giving yourself just a heads
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Marc Preston: up like.
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Marc Preston: By the way, this is a piece of info you
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Marc Preston: need to, you know, follow.
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Ariel Vromen: You have good questions, man, Because
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Ariel Vromen: absolutely it's questions we saw, because
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Ariel Vromen: it's really reflecting on the person that
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Ariel Vromen: sits in front of you and answering those.
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Ariel Vromen: The advice that I will give to me when I
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Ariel Vromen: was 16 will be that everything that you
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Ariel Vromen: think, the reflection, especially on that
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Ariel Vromen: age, the reflection of people around you,
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Ariel Vromen: the reflection of the world around you, is
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Ariel Vromen: only a weird, awkward mirror of your eyes,
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Ariel Vromen: which means don't ever think that your
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Ariel Vromen: action and doing has to be in correlation
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Ariel Vromen: with the acceptance of others.
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Ariel Vromen: Because I was relatively late age to meet
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Ariel Vromen: 30s.
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Ariel Vromen: Actually I was so sensitive to what people
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Ariel Vromen: had to say about me or what they have to
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Ariel Vromen: say about my work and what to say about,
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Ariel Vromen: like you know, am I going to make it Like I
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01:15:52,230 --> 01:15:54,075
Ariel Vromen: had so much pressure that I put myself.
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Ariel Vromen: So I think if I'm going to go back in age,
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Ariel Vromen: it's like just don't worry, Really don't
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01:15:59,728 --> 01:16:01,712
Ariel Vromen: worry, because it's all eventually
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Ariel Vromen: interpretation of your mind.
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Marc Preston: It's all subjective.
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Marc Preston: You know, what I tell my kids is that, on
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Marc Preston: that note and I love that is that I say I
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Marc Preston: always tell my kids the way people act
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Marc Preston: towards you.
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Marc Preston: What they say about you, what you're doing,
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Marc Preston: is more of a reflection on them than it is
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Marc Preston: you.
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Marc Preston: It's their interpretation, you know, I said
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Marc Preston: don't try to please anybody, myself
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Marc Preston: included you know, do that thing and, like
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Marc Preston: you said, you can't imagine yourself doing
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Marc Preston: anything else.
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Marc Preston: That's that's when the play kind of locks
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Marc Preston: in and the act of doing your gig is the
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Marc Preston: play, you know.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean, I mean I'm thinking about even
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Ariel Vromen: hearing myself saying that is kind of like
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Ariel Vromen: comes, comes back to not to to to a
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Ariel Vromen: specific thing, but basically like that If
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Ariel Vromen: you're thinking that you're in a bad place
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Ariel Vromen: because you feel that reflection of the
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Ariel Vromen: eyes, that you believe that so many eyes
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Ariel Vromen: are looking at you and they're in, if
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Ariel Vromen: you're going to quit or you're going to do
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Ariel Vromen: something, they're going to be all like
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Ariel Vromen: ditching you and and put you into shame.
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Ariel Vromen: I really understood in my life that that's
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Ariel Vromen: actually the opposite.
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Ariel Vromen: It's like you can not be influenced by, by
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Ariel Vromen: other thoughts and and and you need to know
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Ariel Vromen: and I will give it also another quick
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Ariel Vromen: advice is like that this show be passed.
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Marc Preston: I mean everything bad that you think at the
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Marc Preston: moment that is a disaster will pass and
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Marc Preston: that's that's that's the hard thing, I
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Marc Preston: think during the pandemic is I got, I know
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Marc Preston: it's, it's gonna be over, I mean, if it's a
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Marc Preston: year, you know.
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Marc Preston: I mean I don't mean to be flip about it,
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Marc Preston: but I understand it will pass eventually.
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Marc Preston: But for these kids it will pass and it will
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Marc Preston: be okay, everything is eventually work.
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Ariel Vromen: If you are down, you're gonna get a great
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Ariel Vromen: rise.
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Ariel Vromen: If you're up, you might fall, but it will
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Ariel Vromen: pass.
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Marc Preston: You got to ride that middle lane pretty
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Marc Preston: well, you know it's not get too up, too
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Marc Preston: down.
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Marc Preston: And I tell my kids it's like you know the
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Marc Preston: same thing, this exact same thing.
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Marc Preston: It's like this, this stuff it's going on,
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Marc Preston: it's it's not gonna be.
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Marc Preston: And being in high school man, it that's the
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Marc Preston: hardest time to actually let that be a
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Marc Preston: reality for you.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean I see my daughter like I feel so sad
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Ariel Vromen: because they really don't see much the key.
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Ariel Vromen: The parents became paranoid, especially
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Ariel Vromen: here in California.
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Ariel Vromen: I mean people really lost their mind.
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Ariel Vromen: But that's a Joe.
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Marc Preston: Rogan, exactly, we just tried to do the
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Marc Preston: right thing take care of the people around.
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Marc Preston: But, ariel, I more than appreciate you
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Marc Preston: taking the time out to have been very
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Marc Preston: generous with your time especially just
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Marc Preston: coming right back in from Mexico.
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Marc Preston: Man, I like I that's, you've got see.
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Marc Preston: Hey, you may be near 50, but that's a lot
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Marc Preston: of energy right there, you know if you're
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Marc Preston: go-go-go.
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Ariel Vromen: But I gotta yeah, I don't know where I
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Ariel Vromen: really need to keep on training and be
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Ariel Vromen: strong, because I need a lot of energy.
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Marc Preston: Well, you know, I'm good, you know the 1992,
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Marc Preston: it's, now is it, night is era that is it.
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Ariel Vromen: A title is still.
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Ariel Vromen: It's gonna be probably decision of a studio,
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Ariel Vromen: but the writer, the original author, sasha
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Ariel Vromen: Pan, called this project April 29, 1992.
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Marc Preston: That was the and this is about the right,
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Marc Preston: but the post Rodney King decision in Los
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Marc Preston: Angeles right about the riots.
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Ariel Vromen: It's happening on the night the riots
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Ariel Vromen: started and eventually it's.
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Ariel Vromen: It's just it's it's in a pretty good group
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Ariel Vromen: of thieves that this day that taking
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Ariel Vromen: advantage to steal this catalyzed
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Ariel Vromen: converters, platinum factory basic because
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Ariel Vromen: they used to make a lot of industry here in
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Ariel Vromen: LA and they used to make those cut the
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Ariel Vromen: converters for the cars and used to put
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Ariel Vromen: platinum in it.
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Ariel Vromen: So they the fact you hold a safe with all
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Ariel Vromen: the bullions of platinum.
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Ariel Vromen: So those guys basically took advantage that
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Ariel Vromen: basically there was no police, there was no
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Ariel Vromen: law and order on that day in in Los Angeles.
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Ariel Vromen: So they're taking advantage and robbing the
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Ariel Vromen: place.
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Ariel Vromen: Obviously getting you know the wrong guys
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Ariel Vromen: is appearing there with his son and Sally's
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Ariel Vromen: becoming like almost like a diehard
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Ariel Vromen: situation.
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Ariel Vromen: But the movie does tell you the story of
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Ariel Vromen: what happened that day.
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Ariel Vromen: You feel the riots you, you see them, it's
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Ariel Vromen: it's happening during that.
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Ariel Vromen: So it's, yeah, it's pretty exciting film.
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Ariel Vromen: I'm actually very, very happy with this one
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Ariel Vromen: that's.
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Marc Preston: That's great.
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Marc Preston: It's so weird to think of how long ago that
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Marc Preston: really was.
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Marc Preston: Well, mazel tov on finishing that film up
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01:20:25,139 --> 01:20:26,427
Marc Preston: and looking forward to seeing it.
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Marc Preston: And my friend, you've been very, very
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Marc Preston: generous to the time and I certainly
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Marc Preston: appreciate it.
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Marc Preston: If you're ever in New Orleans now, hook you
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Marc Preston: up with some matzah ball soup, some good
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Marc Preston: stuff.
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Marc Preston: Well, there you go.
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Marc Preston: Ariel Vroman, what an interesting guy.
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Marc Preston: Enjoyed that chat and looking forward to
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Marc Preston: his new movie, 1992, something like that.
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Marc Preston: As he mentioned.
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Marc Preston: The name could change between now and when
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Marc Preston: it's released, but great, great director
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Marc Preston: man, I really love his work.
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Marc Preston: Great DJ also.
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Marc Preston: You know he's super, super talented.
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Marc Preston: Thank you again for taking part in this
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Marc Preston: episode.
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Marc Preston: Come on back for the next one.
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Marc Preston: You have a killer rest of your day and
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Ariel Vromen
Writer | Director | DJ
Ariel has been the creative force behind a number of projects including feature films and documentaries, and has directed, written and produced projects from major production entities such as Netflix, Lionsgate/Summit, Millennium Films and Warner Bros. He is best known for the award-winning feature "The Iceman", starring Michael Shannon, Winona Ryder, James Franco, Ray Liotta and Chris Evans; "Criminal" featured the all-star cast of Kevin Costner, Gary Oldman, Tommy Lee Jones, Gal Gadot, Alice Eve, Michael Pitt and Ryan Reynolds; the underground hit "Jewel of the Sahara" starring Gerard Butler and recently the Netflix original 'The Angel' starring Marwan Kenzari and Toby Kebbel. Before finding his true passion in film making, Ariel paid his dues serving in the IAF rescue unit 669, then moving to the UK to study law at the University of Kent. Upon graduating, he pivoted to a successful career producing music and D.J.ing. Ariel opened a recording studio and produced 3 albums in London. Afterwards, he moved to NYC where he decided to pursue film studies at NYU and the LA Film School. Ariel currently resides in LA where he founded Sumatra Films and is working on multiple film & documentary projects.
