Leigh Steinberg | Major League Mensch

Then I was technical advisor and then he

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Leigh Steinberg: assigned the actors to work with, like Tuba

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Leigh Steinberg: Gooding Jr, who I took down to the Super

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Leigh Steinberg: Bowl in Phoenix and made him pretend he was

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Leigh Steinberg: my client for a week.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Alright, here we are back, another episode

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Marc Preston: of Story and Craft.

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Marc Preston: I'm Marc Preston and yes, it's been a

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Marc Preston: A little while, kind of in solidarity with

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Marc Preston: the SAG After Strike, took a little break,

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Marc Preston: So I took a little break and I can't begin

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Marc Preston: So, thank you, thank you.

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Marc Preston: Today's episode Lee Steinberg, legendary

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Marc Preston: sports agent.

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Marc Preston: He's represented and currently represents

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Marc Preston: some of the biggest in the literal and

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Marc Preston: figurative game.

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Marc Preston: Really inspirational guy, very talented,

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Marc Preston: Just really enjoyed this chat.

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Marc Preston: If you remember the movie Jerry Maguire,

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Marc Preston: it's not really about him, but there's a

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Marc Preston: lot of him, a lot of his input in that

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Marc Preston: movie and just generally just a real mench,

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Marc Preston: just a cool guy.

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Marc Preston: Now, I mentioned it before.

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Marc Preston: Well, here it is, we're back and let's jump

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Marc Preston: right into it.

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Marc Preston: Today is Lee Steinberg Day, right here on

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Marc Preston: Story and Craft.

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Marc Preston: Hello, how are you doing today, sir?

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Marc Preston: I am good.

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Marc Preston: Thank you again for taking time out to chat.

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Marc Preston: I was speaking with my son, who's my

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Marc Preston: 18-year-old college kid, who is my resident

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Marc Preston: sports guy yeah, I'm not as big of a sports

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Marc Preston: guy as he is, so he was like you're

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Marc Preston: speaking of Lee Steinberg, so he's like to

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Marc Preston: prep.

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Marc Preston: He's like we got to watch Jerry Maguire, so

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Marc Preston: we did that last night.

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Marc Preston: So how are things going for you?

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Marc Preston: Anything new and exciting you're working on

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Marc Preston: right now, anything in particular.

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Leigh Steinberg: We have a project to respond to the fact

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Leigh Steinberg: that athletic contests come down in the

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Leigh Steinberg: fourth quarter and a lot of them in the

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Leigh Steinberg: last drive.

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Leigh Steinberg: So the question is, could you peak

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Leigh Steinberg: performance and productivity up in those

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Leigh Steinberg: critical moments?

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Leigh Steinberg: And so I explored some modality to do that.

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Leigh Steinberg: And then, secondarily, can you recover an

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Leigh Steinberg: injured athlete quicker?

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Leigh Steinberg: Because the CAP system means that if you

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Leigh Steinberg: lose the starting players, back up is

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Leigh Steinberg: appreciably worse.

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Leigh Steinberg: So it's hyperbaric oxygen, it's blue, red

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Leigh Steinberg: and white light stimulation, it's nanovie

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Leigh Steinberg: which is cooked up, air you breathe.

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Leigh Steinberg: They all do the same thing, which is

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Leigh Steinberg: they're anti-inflammatory, they peak energy,

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Leigh Steinberg: they hyperbaric can make you live longer.

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Leigh Steinberg: So I've taken that to a number of different

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Leigh Steinberg: proteins to try to get them to adopt it and

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Leigh Steinberg: also, cognitively, have found some new ways

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Leigh Steinberg: through neuroplasticity to stimulate the

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Leigh Steinberg: brain, so that someone who gets a

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Leigh Steinberg: concussion or a TBI the conceit's always

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Leigh Steinberg: been that it only gets worse and never gets

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Leigh Steinberg: But now we have processes like our TMS and

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Leigh Steinberg: nestry brain training that can sharpen up a

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Leigh Steinberg: So there are benefit in sports and there

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Leigh Steinberg: are benefit to anybody over 40.

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Leigh Steinberg: So that's one Second of all.

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Leigh Steinberg: We're working on a school that would be for

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Leigh Steinberg: high school athletes but would also be for

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Leigh Steinberg: anybody interested in being working for a

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Leigh Steinberg: team, a league, a front office, Marceting,

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Leigh Steinberg: branding, media, and that's in Arizona.

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Leigh Steinberg: I've got an agent academy coming up in a

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Leigh Steinberg: couple weeks where we teach the young

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Leigh Steinberg: people how to recruit, negotiate, brand

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Leigh Steinberg: Marcet, set up a charitable foundation and

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Leigh Steinberg: the rest of that.

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Marc Preston: It's kind of looking over some of your

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Marc Preston: information above and beyond what I already

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Marc Preston: knew.

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Marc Preston: It seems like you don't slow down, you seem

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Marc Preston: to be involved in quite a bit of

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Marc Preston: philanthropy or what we're just discussing

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Marc Preston: right now, which of course is beneficial

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Marc Preston: for the players, but there is a cost

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Marc Preston: benefit analysis kind of situation for the

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Marc Preston: owners in getting the players back and

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Marc Preston: active.

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Leigh Steinberg: Well, once we validate these concepts in

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Leigh Steinberg: sports, then it takes you out to the larger

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Leigh Steinberg: In other words, it takes you out to Marc

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Leigh Steinberg: Preston, who says I want to be cognitively

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Leigh Steinberg: more fit, I want to live longer.

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Leigh Steinberg: And so there's a revolution taking place in

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Leigh Steinberg: Biomed that is going to alter forever the

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Leigh Steinberg: way we see medicine.

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Marc Preston: It's funny.

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Marc Preston: I remember going back over 20 plus years

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Marc Preston: I was smoking and I was stopping smoking.

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Marc Preston: I had gone there's a hypnotherapist and it

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Marc Preston: actually worked.

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Marc Preston: It worked really fantastically.

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Marc Preston: But he was implementing something where

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Marc Preston: they had like these, we'll call them

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Marc Preston: goggles, but they had different lights LED

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Marc Preston: lights that would blink and he said this is

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Marc Preston: based off some kind of a Russian study they

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Marc Preston: did where if you merge this with a sound,

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Marc Preston: it somehow does something.

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Leigh Steinberg: Well, they have those treatments which they

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Leigh Steinberg: have the light going on, they have the

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Leigh Steinberg: earphones on.

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Leigh Steinberg: And Russia, germany, all those countries

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Leigh Steinberg: are far ahead of us in terms of

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Leigh Steinberg: understanding how the brain works and

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Leigh Steinberg: innovative ways to stimulate longevity

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Leigh Steinberg: lifestyle, everything.

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Marc Preston: For your own, let's say, career longevity,

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Marc Preston: would it be a stretch to say.

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Marc Preston: You kind of seem to stay kind of curious

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Marc Preston: about different things that are going on in

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Marc Preston: evolution of sports.

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Marc Preston: You don't seem like somebody that would

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Marc Preston: rest on their laurels by any stretch of the

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Marc Preston: imagination.

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Marc Preston: It seems like you're constantly active.

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Leigh Steinberg: I think life is a constant learning process

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Leigh Steinberg: and it's trying to know more, visualize

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Leigh Steinberg: where economics are going, where the

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Leigh Steinberg: culture is going, where the effects of

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Leigh Steinberg: climate change on our life.

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Leigh Steinberg: It's the ability to envision where the

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Leigh Steinberg: economy, entertainment, sports, politics,

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Leigh Steinberg: science are all going.

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Marc Preston: It definitely seems like the lines are for

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Marc Preston: lack of a better way of putting it.

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Marc Preston: The lines are kind of blurred now, but

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Marc Preston: everything's merging together, it seems

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Marc Preston: like, with entertainment and just

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Marc Preston: technology and just even being able to

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Marc Preston: connect with you here, that a few years

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Marc Preston: back that just would have been kind of

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Marc Preston: improbable to do that effectively.

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Marc Preston: But one of the things I was curious about,

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Marc Preston: kind of hitting rewind on your origin story,

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Marc Preston: as it were you're actually an LA kid.

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Marc Preston: You're from the LA area, correct?

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Leigh Steinberg: So I grew up in Los Angeles, went to UCLA

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Leigh Steinberg: for a year and then it was the late 1960s

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Leigh Steinberg: and it was all happening in Berkeley and it

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Leigh Steinberg: was societal norms changing in long hair

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Leigh Steinberg: and tie dye and external substances and

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Leigh Steinberg: rock music and anti-Vietnam.

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Leigh Steinberg: So part of me is Southern California let's

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Leigh Steinberg: And the other part is Berkeley political

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Leigh Steinberg: consciousness and just started to make a

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Leigh Steinberg: And my father raised me with two core

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Leigh Steinberg: values.

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Leigh Steinberg: One was treasure relationships, especially

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Leigh Steinberg: family, and the second was try to heal pain

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Leigh Steinberg: and make a positive impact in the world.

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Leigh Steinberg: And the core layer to that was that when

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Leigh Steinberg: you're waiting for someone to make a change,

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Leigh Steinberg: someone to right or wrong, someone to take

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Leigh Steinberg: care of something as minor as picking a

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Leigh Steinberg: piece of trash up or as major as racism or

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Leigh Steinberg: climate change, you say your tendency is to

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Leigh Steinberg: wait for the amorphous they or them to

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Leigh Steinberg: solve the problem.

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Leigh Steinberg: Older people, political figures and my dad

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Leigh Steinberg: would look at me and say, son, you could

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Leigh Steinberg: wait forever.

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Leigh Steinberg: The they is you, you are the they.

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Leigh Steinberg: So it embodies a sense of responsibility

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Leigh Steinberg: for everything around us.

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Marc Preston: Now, where was your father or where was

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Marc Preston: your family originally from?

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Marc Preston: Were they Southern California as well?

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Leigh Steinberg: Yes, so they were Southern California.

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Leigh Steinberg: My father was a teacher.

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Leigh Steinberg: My grandfather ran a place called Hillcrest

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Leigh Steinberg: Country Club, which was the hangout for a

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Leigh Steinberg: lot of the Hollywood crowd, and so I grew

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Leigh Steinberg: up sitting at a table with Groucho March,

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Leigh Steinberg: jack Manning, george Burns, george Gessel,

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Leigh Steinberg: danny Kay at Hillcrest, and we have a great

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Leigh Steinberg: picture of me on Marilyn Monroe's lap.

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Leigh Steinberg: But my father turned away from all of that

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Leigh Steinberg: and wanted to educate people, and his

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Leigh Steinberg: philosophy was that he was here to make a

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Leigh Steinberg: positive difference in the world, help

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Leigh Steinberg: people who couldn't help themselves, and so

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Leigh Steinberg: he was head of the City Human Relations

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Leigh Steinberg: Commission, which had all the different

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Leigh Steinberg: racial and ethnic groups, and so we had it

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Leigh Steinberg: hard driven into our heads.

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Leigh Steinberg: You know that money was fine and important

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Leigh Steinberg: at a certain level, but what was really

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Leigh Steinberg: important is what did you do to try to ease

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Leigh Steinberg: pain for other people?

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Marc Preston: Where are your people originally from,

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Marc Preston: before they got to, before they found their

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Marc Preston: way to Southern California, where they come

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Marc Preston: from?

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Leigh Steinberg: So television morphed from three basic

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Marc Preston: Yeah, because it seems like the Cowboys,

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Leigh Steinberg: So on that Dallas Cowboy team we're talking

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Leigh Steinberg: So if I can get that view of how they see

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Marc Preston: They are just, they've got a lot of money

478

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Marc Preston: for lack of a better way of putting it and

479

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Marc Preston: it could really put some different

480

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Marc Preston: psychological, sociological strains on them,

481

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Marc Preston: or family strains, or whatever.

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Marc Preston: Have you Did?

483

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Marc Preston: You find yourself in the position of being

484

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Marc Preston: kind of a counselor or sure, but kind of

485

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Marc Preston: guiding them in some way to here's what you

486

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Marc Preston: should expect.

487

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Leigh Steinberg: Absolutely.

488

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Leigh Steinberg: The parents did the hard work because to

489

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Leigh Steinberg: get a player to that point, you know, took

490

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Leigh Steinberg: a village.

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Leigh Steinberg: But I would build on the good values

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Leigh Steinberg: parents had instilled in their kids and try

493

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Leigh Steinberg: to stimulate them.

494

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Leigh Steinberg: But it's taking an approach where you tell

495

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Leigh Steinberg: a young man or woman you're going into a

496

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Leigh Steinberg: professional sport and the real competition

497

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Leigh Steinberg: for the NFL is not labor versus management,

498

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Leigh Steinberg: it's competition for discretionary

499

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Leigh Steinberg: entertainment spending.

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Leigh Steinberg: So you're competing with the NBA and Major

501

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Leigh Steinberg: League, baseball and Netflix and Home Box

502

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Leigh Steinberg: Office and Walt Disney World and every

503

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Leigh Steinberg: other form of discretionary entertainment

504

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Leigh Steinberg: spending.

505

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Leigh Steinberg: That means that you're trying to draw

506

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Leigh Steinberg: people to watch games on television, to buy

507

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Leigh Steinberg: merchandise, to physically attend games,

508

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Leigh Steinberg: and that gives you a special responsibility

509

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Leigh Steinberg: behaviorally on the field and off the field,

510

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Leigh Steinberg: and so you're going to live under a

511

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Leigh Steinberg: microscope.

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Leigh Steinberg: And so we need to think about how we don't

513

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Leigh Steinberg: have you out in a place consuming alcohol

514

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Leigh Steinberg: and then driving.

515

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Leigh Steinberg: We need to think about how we have you

516

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Leigh Steinberg: going into a place that serves alcohol and

517

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Leigh Steinberg: walking away from fights when somebody

518

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Leigh Steinberg: comes up and is obnoxious and pushes you.

519

00:24:44,455 --> 00:24:46,483

Leigh Steinberg: We need to talk about your behavior towards

520

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Leigh Steinberg: women in the opposite sex.

521

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Leigh Steinberg: We need to talk about all these things and

522

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Leigh Steinberg: if you don't want to aspire to a higher

523

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Leigh Steinberg: level of conduct, go play in a sandlot, but

524

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Leigh Steinberg: if you want all the riches and largesse

525

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Leigh Steinberg: that sports is going to afford you, you

526

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Leigh Steinberg: can't be a camel with your head in the sand.

527

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Leigh Steinberg: You have to realize that you're on display

528

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Leigh Steinberg: every time you leave your physical house.

529

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Marc Preston: Do you think that's your methodology or

530

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Marc Preston: your perspective?

531

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Marc Preston: Do you think that became, or has become,

532

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Marc Preston: the norm, or do you think that you're still

533

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Marc Preston: a little bit of an outlier to kind of look

534

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Marc Preston: at the full 360 degrees of the athlete's

535

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Marc Preston: life?

536

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Leigh Steinberg: The very first day someone would walk into

537

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Leigh Steinberg: my office Marc.

538

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Leigh Steinberg: I would ask them what other talents and

539

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Leigh Steinberg: skills do you have besides athletic ones?

540

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Leigh Steinberg: How can we build towards a second career?

541

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Leigh Steinberg: How can you learn to network?

542

00:25:43,238 --> 00:25:48,947

Leigh Steinberg: Go to a banquet, walk up to a fellow there,

543

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Leigh Steinberg: have a five minute discussion, get his card

544

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Leigh Steinberg: and build yourself a group of what you and

545

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Leigh Steinberg: I used to call the Rolodex of friendships

546

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Leigh Steinberg: and people to help you.

547

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Leigh Steinberg: And it's how you, steve Young or Brent

548

00:26:05,815 --> 00:26:07,819

Leigh Steinberg: Jones, both played for the 49ers.

549

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Leigh Steinberg: So you ask them what businesses are there

550

00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,297

Leigh Steinberg: approximate to Santa Clara?

551

00:26:13,377 --> 00:26:15,803

Leigh Steinberg: Were you trained that you might want to

552

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Leigh Steinberg: network in?

553

00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:19,159

Leigh Steinberg: Well, high tech and venture capital?

554

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Leigh Steinberg: So it's not by chance that both Brent Jones

555

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Leigh Steinberg: and Steve Young had up hedge funds that are

556

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Leigh Steinberg: worth some billions of dollars.

557

00:26:30,379 --> 00:26:32,245

Marc Preston: Well, like Troy Aikman, got into the

558

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Marc Preston: automobile business pretty heavily in the

559

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Marc Preston: Dallas Fort Worth area Right.

560

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Leigh Steinberg: So the premise was that was all branding,

561

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Leigh Steinberg: that if you had an elevated brand would you

562

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Leigh Steinberg: rather drive a car and on your license

563

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Leigh Steinberg: plate it would say Troy Aikman Automall or

564

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Leigh Steinberg: Joe Schmoe Automall, and so it was always

565

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Leigh Steinberg: laying that out.

566

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Leigh Steinberg: I wish that was the universal standard and

567

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Leigh Steinberg: representation, but probably the prevailing

568

00:27:02,003 --> 00:27:04,548

Leigh Steinberg: ethos is going to get the money.

569

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Marc Preston: But relationships.

570

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Marc Preston: That really is part and parcel of what your

571

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Marc Preston: job was is to foster those relationships

572

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Marc Preston: with team owners or the people in the

573

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Marc Preston: ecosystem that were making decisions on

574

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Marc Preston: drafting or trades or whatever.

575

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Marc Preston: Have you?

576

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Marc Preston: Was there a part of it that you enjoyed the

577

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Marc Preston: most?

578

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Marc Preston: I mean, did you enjoy the challenge or

579

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Marc Preston: putting it together you know the deal, as

580

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Marc Preston: it were or did you, if you had a preference,

581

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Marc Preston: do you like the athlete, the relationship

582

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Marc Preston: you had with them and the building of their

583

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Marc Preston: career?

584

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Marc Preston: Was there a preference between kind of the

585

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Marc Preston: two different camps of relationships, as it

586

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Marc Preston: were?

587

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Leigh Steinberg: I mean the real pleasure is watching and

588

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Leigh Steinberg: helping to be part of the maturation

589

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Leigh Steinberg: process of young men and taking them from

590

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Leigh Steinberg: being a college senior or junior to second

591

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Leigh Steinberg: career.

592

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Leigh Steinberg: The most gratifying part of it was the

593

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Leigh Steinberg: charitable community programs where our

594

00:28:00,499 --> 00:28:05,651

Leigh Steinberg: guys have been responsible for major

595

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Leigh Steinberg: changes through the funding they can do,

596

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Leigh Steinberg: and I think in aggregate our guys are over

597

00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:14,017

Leigh Steinberg: a billion dollars in terms of money's

598

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Leigh Steinberg: raised.

599

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Leigh Steinberg: But it's not just that, it's messaging.

600

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Leigh Steinberg: So when Lennox Lewis cut a PSA that said

601

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Leigh Steinberg: real men don't hit women, it could do more

602

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Leigh Steinberg: to trigger behavioral change and rebellious

603

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Leigh Steinberg: adolescents who don't want to listen to any

604

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Leigh Steinberg: authority figures than a thousand authority

605

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Leigh Steinberg: figures ever could.

606

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Leigh Steinberg: Or Oscar Day-Loy and Steve Young prejudiced

607

00:28:41,655 --> 00:28:42,537

Leigh Steinberg: his foul play.

608

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Leigh Steinberg: So that was the most rewarding part was the

609

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Leigh Steinberg: dual lanes of helping in the maturation of

610

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Leigh Steinberg: the young men.

611

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Leigh Steinberg: Then together what we could do for the

612

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Leigh Steinberg: world.

613

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Marc Preston: And it seems like it's a real pay it

614

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Marc Preston: forward mentality that naturally if they do

615

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Marc Preston: that then they're going to the decisions

616

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Marc Preston: you've made as far as like how you try to

617

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Marc Preston: influence them.

618

00:29:05,198 --> 00:29:07,047

Marc Preston: Then they take the ball you know, nope,

619

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Marc Preston: unintended and run with that and then other

620

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Marc Preston: people will do the same and hopefully

621

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Marc Preston: exponentially that and seems like those

622

00:29:12,473 --> 00:29:13,297

Marc Preston: kind of things do grow.

623

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Marc Preston: But it kind of brings me back to something

624

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Marc Preston: I naturally got to bring up Jerry McGuire.

625

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Marc Preston: But the whole, the preface of the movie was

626

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Marc Preston: there was a change, there was a shift from

627

00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,627

Marc Preston: moving away from that kind of what we're

628

00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:29,670

Marc Preston: talking about right now.

629

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Marc Preston: Did you have the opportunity to Cameron

630

00:29:33,884 --> 00:29:34,205

Marc Preston: Crowe?

631

00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:36,253

Marc Preston: Did you discuss that he come pick your

632

00:29:36,273 --> 00:29:38,760

Marc Preston: brain and say you know, before, while he

633

00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,825

Marc Preston: was conceiving of writing or whatever?

634

00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:42,436

Marc Preston: Have you the movie that he asked you

635

00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:45,663

Marc Preston: questions about your views on professional

636

00:29:45,723 --> 00:29:48,027

Marc Preston: sports and were you involved in that

637

00:29:48,067 --> 00:29:48,488

Marc Preston: process?

638

00:29:49,096 --> 00:29:52,005

Leigh Steinberg: Well, cameron called me in 1993 and said he

639

00:29:52,045 --> 00:29:55,235

Leigh Steinberg: was doing a film based on a sports agent

640

00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:59,425

Leigh Steinberg: and could he shadow me and follow me and be

641

00:29:59,445 --> 00:30:02,653

Leigh Steinberg: in situations I was in with athletes and

642

00:30:02,693 --> 00:30:05,561

Leigh Steinberg: teams and games and the rest of it.

643

00:30:05,621 --> 00:30:06,524

Leigh Steinberg: So I said sure.

644

00:30:07,226 --> 00:30:10,375

Leigh Steinberg: So he came with me to the league meetings

645

00:30:10,856 --> 00:30:14,363

Leigh Steinberg: in Palm Desert in 1993, where I was showing

646

00:30:14,483 --> 00:30:15,365

Leigh Steinberg: off free agents.

647

00:30:15,465 --> 00:30:18,257

Leigh Steinberg: He came with me to the draft in New York or

648

00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:19,439

Leigh Steinberg: had the first pick.

649

00:30:20,061 --> 00:30:22,405

Leigh Steinberg: He came to press conference with Bill

650

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Leigh Steinberg: Parcells.

651

00:30:23,327 --> 00:30:26,904

Leigh Steinberg: He came to pro scouting day at USC.

652

00:30:27,526 --> 00:30:29,753

Leigh Steinberg: He came to a series of games with me and

653

00:30:29,853 --> 00:30:34,462

Leigh Steinberg: all the time he was asking me for insights

654

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Leigh Steinberg: and stories and I told him lots and lots of

655

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Leigh Steinberg: stories and then he went off and wrote the

656

00:30:40,961 --> 00:30:43,887

Leigh Steinberg: script and I was a technical advisor so I

657

00:30:43,927 --> 00:30:46,859

Leigh Steinberg: had to vet the script to make sure the

658

00:30:46,919 --> 00:30:50,325

Leigh Steinberg: willing suspension of disbelief that keeps

659

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Leigh Steinberg: you in a movie that you didn't think it was

660

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Leigh Steinberg: funny, the dialogue was still good, the

661

00:30:56,763 --> 00:31:00,120

Leigh Steinberg: look was not right and all the rest of that.

662

00:31:00,401 --> 00:31:02,631

Leigh Steinberg: And then he assigned me actors to work with,

663

00:31:02,692 --> 00:31:05,681

Leigh Steinberg: like Cuba Gooding Jr, who I took down to

664

00:31:05,782 --> 00:31:09,011

Leigh Steinberg: the Super Bowl in Phoenix and made him

665

00:31:09,071 --> 00:31:13,782

Leigh Steinberg: pretend he was my client for a week.

666

00:31:14,263 --> 00:31:16,607

Leigh Steinberg: So yeah, there's a lot of life up there on

667

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Leigh Steinberg: the screen.

668

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Marc Preston: Yeah, it does seem like there are multiple.

669

00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:22,995

Marc Preston: I don't see messages but storylines kind of

670

00:31:23,055 --> 00:31:24,037

Marc Preston: running through that, but using the

671

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Marc Preston: backdrop of professional sports.

672

00:31:26,342 --> 00:31:30,777

Marc Preston: And I'd seen somewhere, I'd read somewhere,

673

00:31:30,837 --> 00:31:33,502

Marc Preston: that Warren Moon was sort of a quasi

674

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Marc Preston: template for Cuba Gooding Jr's character.

675

00:31:37,637 --> 00:31:39,303

Marc Preston: Is that accurate or is that just urban myth?

676

00:31:39,395 --> 00:31:40,398

Leigh Steinberg: No, that's accurate.

677

00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,908

Leigh Steinberg: And Tim McDonald, who was a free agent who

678

00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:49,000

Leigh Steinberg: we watched in Iraq with teams and Cameron,

679

00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:51,223

Leigh Steinberg: came out to dinner, like with Jimmer, say,

680

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Leigh Steinberg: the owner of Indianapolis.

681

00:31:55,877 --> 00:31:58,403

Leigh Steinberg: He sometimes was a fly on the wall and

682

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Leigh Steinberg: sometimes I integrated him into the

683

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Leigh Steinberg: situation and I sort of agreed with him.

684

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Leigh Steinberg: We wouldn't talk about what parts of my own

685

00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:08,775

Leigh Steinberg: life were that.

686

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Marc Preston: Obviously he's not my life story because I

687

00:32:11,181 --> 00:32:13,005

Marc Preston: started with the first pick in the draft,

688

00:32:16,299 --> 00:32:19,264

Marc Preston: but that I would keep between he and I what

689

00:32:20,145 --> 00:32:22,169

Marc Preston: particularly might have got a modeled on

690

00:32:22,189 --> 00:32:25,103

Marc Preston: what Well, I know Tom Cruise is notorious

691

00:32:25,163 --> 00:32:27,692

Marc Preston: for being, I'd say, one of those guys

692

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Marc Preston: that's the most well prepared and both

693

00:32:30,422 --> 00:32:32,690

Marc Preston: physically knowledge he probably knows

694

00:32:32,731 --> 00:32:34,456

Marc Preston: everybody's lines, including his own, but

695

00:32:35,017 --> 00:32:36,661

Marc Preston: as technical advisor, was he picking your

696

00:32:36,701 --> 00:32:37,523

Marc Preston: brain as well?

697

00:32:37,723 --> 00:32:41,298

Leigh Steinberg: on just nuances I worked with all the

698

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Leigh Steinberg: actors, in other words Regina King that was

699

00:32:45,986 --> 00:32:49,858

Leigh Steinberg: her first big role and she what would a

700

00:32:49,939 --> 00:32:53,065

Leigh Steinberg: wife think of watching her husband get

701

00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:56,356

Leigh Steinberg: knocked to the ground on and not get up?

702

00:32:56,637 --> 00:33:00,043

Leigh Steinberg: You know how would she relate.

703

00:33:00,544 --> 00:33:04,430

Leigh Steinberg: Or Jerry O'Connell, the quarterback who I

704

00:33:04,455 --> 00:33:07,680

Leigh Steinberg: showed how to throw a spiral to see it gone

705

00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:10,264

Leigh Steinberg: to NYU and they didn't have football there.

706

00:33:14,555 --> 00:33:19,824

Leigh Steinberg: So it was working with a number of the

707

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Leigh Steinberg: actors on their role in the field and they

708

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Leigh Steinberg: came down and they took my wardrobe and

709

00:33:25,622 --> 00:33:29,152

Leigh Steinberg: they shot like the scene before Jerry

710

00:33:29,192 --> 00:33:31,778

Leigh Steinberg: Movire leaves the big agencies that shot

711

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Leigh Steinberg: out of my window in Newport Beach and they

712

00:33:36,388 --> 00:33:40,638

Leigh Steinberg: they took my wardrobe and legal pads and

713

00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,168

Leigh Steinberg: descended for feel and tone.

714

00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:47,714

Marc Preston: That's the thing that I think you kind of

715

00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:48,919

Marc Preston: inherently wanted to be.

716

00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:51,429

Marc Preston: I remember being a young guy it was my

717

00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:54,019

Marc Preston: early 20s, I think, when that came out and

718

00:33:54,721 --> 00:33:56,427

Marc Preston: I just remember sports was.

719

00:33:56,447 --> 00:33:58,273

Marc Preston: You know that we knew Michael Jordan was in

720

00:33:58,293 --> 00:34:00,020

Marc Preston: the ecosystem and you first talk about that,

721

00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,268

Marc Preston: that that era of the Dallas Cowboys.

722

00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:05,000

Marc Preston: It was just maybe it's because I was in my

723

00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:07,311

Marc Preston: early 20s, I was more cognizant of that or

724

00:34:07,432 --> 00:34:08,758

Marc Preston: something but it seemed like there was a

725

00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:09,662

Marc Preston: shift.

726

00:34:09,682 --> 00:34:11,871

Marc Preston: It was becoming more for lack of a better

727

00:34:11,891 --> 00:34:13,438

Marc Preston: way of calling it sports were becoming more

728

00:34:13,478 --> 00:34:14,623

Marc Preston: Hollywood, if you will.

729

00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,274

Marc Preston: You know it was bigger personalities to

730

00:34:17,314 --> 00:34:18,961

Marc Preston: Deon Sanders types and whatever.

731

00:34:19,001 --> 00:34:19,322

Marc Preston: Have you?

732

00:34:19,735 --> 00:34:24,442

Leigh Steinberg: Well, think about this 80 of the top 100

733

00:34:24,603 --> 00:34:28,048

Leigh Steinberg: Nielsen rated TV shows last year were NFL

734

00:34:28,068 --> 00:34:28,449

Leigh Steinberg: football.

735

00:34:29,475 --> 00:34:32,726

Leigh Steinberg: So it means that NFL football is not only

736

00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:35,515

Leigh Steinberg: most popular sport, by two to one, it's the

737

00:34:35,635 --> 00:34:37,660

Leigh Steinberg: most popular form of televised

738

00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,522

Leigh Steinberg: entertainment.

739

00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:43,595

Leigh Steinberg: So that power went into raising the profile

740

00:34:43,755 --> 00:34:46,725

Leigh Steinberg: of individual athletes and that, combined

741

00:34:46,785 --> 00:34:49,875

Leigh Steinberg: with endorsements and ubiquitous way that

742

00:34:49,975 --> 00:34:52,303

Leigh Steinberg: we saw Michael Jordan on TV over and over

743

00:34:52,404 --> 00:34:52,925

Leigh Steinberg: and over again.

744

00:34:53,668 --> 00:34:56,537

Leigh Steinberg: It gave athletes a chance if they performed

745

00:34:56,597 --> 00:34:59,463

Leigh Steinberg: dramatically and had good personalities, to

746

00:34:59,503 --> 00:35:02,539

Leigh Steinberg: cross over from the narrow genre of

747

00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,991

Leigh Steinberg: hardcore sports fans to become household

748

00:35:05,051 --> 00:35:05,433

Leigh Steinberg: names.

749

00:35:06,737 --> 00:35:09,062

Marc Preston: Well, how did you become cognizant of that?

750

00:35:09,443 --> 00:35:11,268

Marc Preston: Of course there was an evolution in sports

751

00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:12,358

Marc Preston: as TV came in.

752

00:35:12,759 --> 00:35:13,881

Marc Preston: Were you noticing that?

753

00:35:13,901 --> 00:35:15,746

Marc Preston: Or were you just kind of a voracious?

754

00:35:16,007 --> 00:35:17,941

Marc Preston: Did you just digest all the information you

755

00:35:17,981 --> 00:35:18,262

Marc Preston: can?

756

00:35:18,796 --> 00:35:19,677

Leigh Steinberg: No, no.

757

00:35:20,058 --> 00:35:22,704

Leigh Steinberg: We got to Atlanta and we arrived at the

758

00:35:22,764 --> 00:35:24,608

Leigh Steinberg: airport tonight before the signing, and

759

00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:27,621

Leigh Steinberg: there's cleat lights flashing in the sky

760

00:35:27,902 --> 00:35:29,425

Leigh Steinberg: like for a movie premiere.

761

00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:32,321

Leigh Steinberg: A huge crowd is pressed up against the

762

00:35:32,341 --> 00:35:34,108

Leigh Steinberg: police line and the first thing we hear is

763

00:35:34,771 --> 00:35:36,797

Leigh Steinberg: we interrupt the Johnny Carson show to

764

00:35:36,837 --> 00:35:39,263

Leigh Steinberg: bring you a special news bulletin Seabart

765

00:35:39,283 --> 00:35:41,508

Leigh Steinberg: Kowsky and his attorney have just arrived

766

00:35:41,595 --> 00:35:42,276

Leigh Steinberg: at the airport.

767

00:35:42,998 --> 00:35:43,859

Leigh Steinberg: I saw it.

768

00:35:44,721 --> 00:35:48,147

Leigh Steinberg: I saw it in a way I didn't in Southern or

769

00:35:48,227 --> 00:35:49,309

Leigh Steinberg: Northern California.

770

00:35:49,515 --> 00:35:53,684

Leigh Steinberg: I saw the frenzy and I knew what an

771

00:35:53,804 --> 00:35:58,534

Leigh Steinberg: integral that these athletes were becoming

772

00:35:58,634 --> 00:35:59,957

Leigh Steinberg: the new movie stars.

773

00:36:00,538 --> 00:36:04,928

Leigh Steinberg: And so today, patrick Wilhomes wins the

774

00:36:05,008 --> 00:36:08,676

Leigh Steinberg: Super Bowl and he's on all sorts of other

775

00:36:08,716 --> 00:36:10,901

Leigh Steinberg: TV shows and everything, and at the end of

776

00:36:10,941 --> 00:36:14,135

Leigh Steinberg: the day, time selects him as one of the

777

00:36:14,215 --> 00:36:17,363

Leigh Steinberg: hundred most influential people on the

778

00:36:17,403 --> 00:36:17,925

Leigh Steinberg: planet.

779

00:36:18,947 --> 00:36:22,015

Leigh Steinberg: So, whether it was Tiger Woods or Michael

780

00:36:22,195 --> 00:36:25,661

Leigh Steinberg: Jordan or LeBron James or Muhammad Ali,

781

00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:29,949

Leigh Steinberg: this celebrity building machine elevated

782

00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:33,684

Leigh Steinberg: these athletes to household name status.

783

00:36:34,115 --> 00:36:36,026

Marc Preston: It's interesting to me if you were to look

784

00:36:36,066 --> 00:36:37,595

Marc Preston: in the kind of the overall like the labor

785

00:36:37,715 --> 00:36:39,841

Marc Preston: Marcet is outside of sports.

786

00:36:39,901 --> 00:36:44,753

Marc Preston: You look at you know CEO salaries and have

787

00:36:44,773 --> 00:36:46,681

Marc Preston: skyrocketed and the proportionally your

788

00:36:46,742 --> 00:36:48,651

Marc Preston: average worker salary hasn't really kind of

789

00:36:48,692 --> 00:36:49,174

Marc Preston: kept up.

790

00:36:49,214 --> 00:36:52,086

Marc Preston: But it seems like for those that kind of

791

00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:53,753

Marc Preston: complain I athlete shouldn't be making all

792

00:36:53,773 --> 00:36:55,482

Marc Preston: this money and you know, whatever have you.

793

00:36:56,145 --> 00:36:57,733

Marc Preston: I kind of look at it like well, it seems

794

00:36:57,753 --> 00:36:59,642

Marc Preston: like that's an industry that's kind of kept

795

00:36:59,722 --> 00:37:00,024

Marc Preston: pace.

796

00:37:00,124 --> 00:37:01,933

Marc Preston: You know you say there's massive TV

797

00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:02,415

Marc Preston: contracts.

798

00:37:02,535 --> 00:37:03,938

Marc Preston: Come in Now.

799

00:37:03,978 --> 00:37:05,983

Marc Preston: The athletes get their fair share of that.

800

00:37:06,163 --> 00:37:08,335

Marc Preston: It seems like in professional sports they

801

00:37:08,375 --> 00:37:11,523

Marc Preston: do get a reasonable percentage of the of

802

00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:12,646

Marc Preston: the contribution they make.

803

00:37:12,966 --> 00:37:14,499

Marc Preston: Do you think that's an accurate statement

804

00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,784

Marc Preston: that they are?

805

00:37:15,915 --> 00:37:16,717

Leigh Steinberg: Remember these.

806

00:37:16,958 --> 00:37:19,645

Leigh Steinberg: These sports are capped and they have

807

00:37:19,726 --> 00:37:20,367

Leigh Steinberg: formulas.

808

00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:26,302

Leigh Steinberg: So in football owners make 53% of the gross

809

00:37:26,884 --> 00:37:28,888

Leigh Steinberg: the money that comes in, and players make

810

00:37:28,948 --> 00:37:30,031

Leigh Steinberg: 47%.

811

00:37:30,692 --> 00:37:34,039

Leigh Steinberg: So the only way the player salaries rise is

812

00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,266

Leigh Steinberg: if revenue is rising and they do a split

813

00:37:38,346 --> 00:37:41,617

Leigh Steinberg: and they have caps that talk about how much

814

00:37:41,697 --> 00:37:44,785

Leigh Steinberg: work he's will be paid and so their

815

00:37:44,965 --> 00:37:46,729

Leigh Steinberg: limitations on spending.

816

00:37:46,749 --> 00:37:51,745

Leigh Steinberg: It can only grow to the point where you

817

00:37:51,785 --> 00:37:54,591

Leigh Steinberg: have revenue coming in at enhanced levels

818

00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:57,418

Leigh Steinberg: and now, for the first time, you have

819

00:37:57,498 --> 00:38:00,107

Leigh Steinberg: football quarterbacks making the same money

820

00:38:00,187 --> 00:38:03,980

Leigh Steinberg: that their peers are making in basketball

821

00:38:04,060 --> 00:38:04,703

Leigh Steinberg: and baseball.

822

00:38:05,076 --> 00:38:06,540

Marc Preston: I mean, what would you say to the people

823

00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,987

Marc Preston: who and that's as was I'm going back to the

824

00:38:09,035 --> 00:38:10,724

Marc Preston: 90s again, when I first started hearing

825

00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:12,473

Marc Preston: this people like Well, why are they making

826

00:38:12,835 --> 00:38:13,477

Marc Preston: all this money?

827

00:38:13,517 --> 00:38:14,881

Marc Preston: That's too much money, they're just playing

828

00:38:14,921 --> 00:38:15,242

Marc Preston: a game.

829

00:38:16,024 --> 00:38:17,668

Marc Preston: I'm sure you've heard that argument many,

830

00:38:17,689 --> 00:38:18,135

Marc Preston: many times.

831

00:38:18,335 --> 00:38:21,003

Leigh Steinberg: Well, you, wouldn't think of it as quite a

832

00:38:21,063 --> 00:38:25,054

Leigh Steinberg: game if you saw what happens to football

833

00:38:25,094 --> 00:38:26,337

Leigh Steinberg: players over time.

834

00:38:26,878 --> 00:38:29,303

Leigh Steinberg: In other words, their bodies break down.

835

00:38:29,344 --> 00:38:31,916

Leigh Steinberg: They have serious concussion issues, they

836

00:38:31,956 --> 00:38:33,319

Leigh Steinberg: have dementia issues.

837

00:38:33,479 --> 00:38:35,423

Leigh Steinberg: They've got all sorts of things there.

838

00:38:36,225 --> 00:38:39,319

Leigh Steinberg: Their path in life, second, free of wise is

839

00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,609

Leigh Steinberg: not totally normal because of the amount of

840

00:38:41,689 --> 00:38:43,756

Leigh Steinberg: pounding that their body took.

841

00:38:44,277 --> 00:38:47,302

Leigh Steinberg: But the second thing is it's all supply and

842

00:38:47,343 --> 00:38:47,823

Leigh Steinberg: demand.

843

00:38:48,725 --> 00:38:53,902

Leigh Steinberg: For years I said to owners all will have a

844

00:38:53,962 --> 00:38:57,050

Leigh Steinberg: client take a cut in salary to the degree

845

00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,417

Leigh Steinberg: that that reflected lower ticket prices,

846

00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:01,967

Leigh Steinberg: and I would never take it up on it because

847

00:39:02,027 --> 00:39:04,516

Leigh Steinberg: ticket prices are a function of supply and

848

00:39:04,536 --> 00:39:05,017

Leigh Steinberg: demand.

849

00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,025

Leigh Steinberg: So for a football team there's only 10 home

850

00:39:08,086 --> 00:39:12,918

Leigh Steinberg: gates right, and the people compete for how

851

00:39:13,279 --> 00:39:15,263

Leigh Steinberg: much they're willing to pay, whether it's a

852

00:39:15,324 --> 00:39:17,635

Leigh Steinberg: luxury box or just a regular seat.

853

00:39:18,296 --> 00:39:23,784

Leigh Steinberg: So it's what the Marcet is and it's value

854

00:39:23,884 --> 00:39:28,917

Leigh Steinberg: coming in Every time someone buys a t-shirt

855

00:39:29,257 --> 00:39:33,988

Leigh Steinberg: or participates in fantasy or does and

856

00:39:34,028 --> 00:39:34,950

Leigh Steinberg: subscribes.

857

00:39:35,171 --> 00:39:37,957

Leigh Steinberg: There's so many different ways to enjoy

858

00:39:38,038 --> 00:39:43,291

Leigh Steinberg: sports now and so it's all supply and

859

00:39:43,331 --> 00:39:43,652

Leigh Steinberg: demand.

860

00:39:43,692 --> 00:39:46,037

Leigh Steinberg: There's a finite amount of people who can

861

00:39:46,057 --> 00:39:49,806

Leigh Steinberg: play at these levels and the sports

862

00:39:49,866 --> 00:39:50,487

Leigh Steinberg: generate it.

863

00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:51,918

Marc Preston: I agree.

864

00:39:52,138 --> 00:39:54,104

Marc Preston: I know the people that have over the years,

865

00:39:54,124 --> 00:39:55,106

Marc Preston: so they shouldn't make that money.

866

00:39:55,255 --> 00:39:56,438

Marc Preston: To me I've always been like, well, they

867

00:39:56,458 --> 00:39:58,504

Marc Preston: should get their fair share of what their

868

00:39:58,985 --> 00:39:59,716

Marc Preston: contribution is.

869

00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,700

Marc Preston: You have three kids, Am I correct?

870

00:40:01,861 --> 00:40:04,687

Leigh Steinberg: I do I have two boys and a girl.

871

00:40:04,995 --> 00:40:06,740

Marc Preston: Did any of them follow in your footsteps

872

00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,465

Marc Preston: when it came to working in the sports and

873

00:40:08,505 --> 00:40:09,396

Marc Preston: entertainment industry?

874

00:40:09,496 --> 00:40:13,663

Leigh Steinberg: My daughter works in social media in Dallas.

875

00:40:15,205 --> 00:40:18,936

Leigh Steinberg: My middle son works with me in the agency

876

00:40:19,837 --> 00:40:23,382

Leigh Steinberg: and unfortunately the two boys have an

877

00:40:24,784 --> 00:40:28,850

Leigh Steinberg: eyesight condition called Nidus pigmentosa.

878

00:40:29,875 --> 00:40:33,942

Leigh Steinberg: They're both legally blind, but the focus

879

00:40:33,982 --> 00:40:37,528

Leigh Steinberg: has to be on what they still can do, and

880

00:40:37,649 --> 00:40:41,303

Leigh Steinberg: the oldest one is teaching at a blind

881

00:40:41,383 --> 00:40:41,805

Leigh Steinberg: school.

882

00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:43,188

Leigh Steinberg: He's also a writer.

883

00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,376

Leigh Steinberg: The middle one aspires to be an agent.

884

00:40:46,576 --> 00:40:47,558

Marc Preston: How old are your kids now?

885

00:40:47,938 --> 00:40:57,631

Leigh Steinberg: They are 37, 32, and 28.

886

00:40:57,936 --> 00:40:58,339

Marc Preston: I've got three.

887

00:40:58,359 --> 00:40:59,707

Marc Preston: I also have to keep track of what their.

888

00:41:00,009 --> 00:41:01,637

Marc Preston: So remembering their ages can be a task.

889

00:41:01,717 --> 00:41:03,983

Marc Preston: But now your daughter, who lives in Dallas.

890

00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:05,025

Marc Preston: What part of Dallas did she in?

891

00:41:05,875 --> 00:41:06,356

Leigh Steinberg: Uptown.

892

00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,924

Marc Preston: Okay, that's the happening area right now,

893

00:41:09,964 --> 00:41:10,305

Marc Preston: of course.

894

00:41:11,755 --> 00:41:14,421

Leigh Steinberg: You walk down the streets and it's like

895

00:41:15,884 --> 00:41:17,267

Leigh Steinberg: young people's paradise.

896

00:41:17,735 --> 00:41:20,862

Marc Preston: Yeah, Well, Dallas is becoming to me like

897

00:41:21,042 --> 00:41:21,944

Marc Preston: LA in a bit.

898

00:41:22,124 --> 00:41:24,415

Marc Preston: It's just booming right now, you know.

899

00:41:24,496 --> 00:41:25,978

Leigh Steinberg: Very much so.

900

00:41:26,399 --> 00:41:30,427

Leigh Steinberg: And if you're young, there are dozens of

901

00:41:30,507 --> 00:41:33,037

Leigh Steinberg: young people on the streets and in the

902

00:41:33,097 --> 00:41:36,362

Leigh Steinberg: cafes and walk, you know, at the park.

903

00:41:36,603 --> 00:41:41,216

Leigh Steinberg: I mean, it's like a whole generation of

904

00:41:41,577 --> 00:41:44,448

Leigh Steinberg: young people starting their careers.

905

00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:45,813

Marc Preston: I was a North Dallas kid.

906

00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:48,181

Marc Preston: I grew up in the Burbs, but I remember my

907

00:41:48,301 --> 00:41:51,751

Marc Preston: first football banquet sophomore year there

908

00:41:51,771 --> 00:41:53,978

Marc Preston: was this young new guy for the Cowboys came

909

00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:54,399

Marc Preston: to speak.

910

00:41:54,439 --> 00:41:56,565

Marc Preston: That they Because I get tech shram, I think

911

00:41:56,585 --> 00:41:58,338

Marc Preston: had a little bit of a problem, but it was

912

00:41:58,398 --> 00:42:00,684

Marc Preston: Michael Irvin showed up and that was so

913

00:42:00,764 --> 00:42:01,466

Marc Preston: kind of interesting.

914

00:42:01,955 --> 00:42:04,002

Marc Preston: Well, the career trajectory, and that was

915

00:42:04,062 --> 00:42:06,330

Marc Preston: his first year young guy coming in.

916

00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:10,463

Marc Preston: And when I worked at a restaurant I served

917

00:42:10,503 --> 00:42:12,670

Marc Preston: Jimmy Johnson one time.

918

00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:15,075

Marc Preston: You know I thought that was so cool.

919

00:42:15,815 --> 00:42:19,557

Leigh Steinberg: Texas is probably, maybe along with Florida,

920

00:42:19,617 --> 00:42:22,998

Leigh Steinberg: the most football crazy culture.

921

00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:30,970

Marc Preston: One thing I like to do.

922

00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:33,057

Marc Preston: I like something called my seven questions.

923

00:42:33,137 --> 00:42:35,044

Marc Preston: It's just sort of like an additional get to

924

00:42:35,084 --> 00:42:36,804

Marc Preston: know, ya, something a little fun.

925

00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,564

Marc Preston: But one of the things I'm curious about,

926

00:42:39,584 --> 00:42:42,161

Marc Preston: because I'm all about the food, so much so

927

00:42:42,201 --> 00:42:43,607

Marc Preston: the Waminel.

928

00:42:43,627 --> 00:42:46,016

Marc Preston: I don't have any delis around me here, so

929

00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:47,762

Marc Preston: I'm always at canteries at least two or

930

00:42:47,802 --> 00:42:48,364

Marc Preston: three times.

931

00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,068

Marc Preston: But curious about what your.

932

00:42:52,389 --> 00:42:54,135

Marc Preston: If you said a comfort food, something that

933

00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:55,805

Marc Preston: you just love to sit down, and it's a

934

00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:57,423

Marc Preston: comfort food, what would that be your

935

00:42:57,484 --> 00:42:57,986

Marc Preston: favorite thing?

936

00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,105

Leigh Steinberg: Mexican food tacos, enchiladas.

937

00:43:01,285 --> 00:43:05,533

Leigh Steinberg: Italian food pizza, lasagna anything with

938

00:43:05,793 --> 00:43:09,749

Leigh Steinberg: red sauce and cheese hits the spot with me,

939

00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,106

Leigh Steinberg: but also like Indian food and Asian food,

940

00:43:15,087 --> 00:43:19,794

Leigh Steinberg: and I mostly eat a lot of green and a

941

00:43:19,834 --> 00:43:20,735

Leigh Steinberg: little bit of protein.

942

00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,124

Marc Preston: Yeah, I need to do more of that.

943

00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,766

Marc Preston: You know, people always talk healthy but in

944

00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:28,392

Marc Preston: action I talk it, but I need to do more of

945

00:43:28,452 --> 00:43:28,953

Marc Preston: the green.

946

00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:30,885

Marc Preston: I was so proud of myself I put some greens

947

00:43:30,966 --> 00:43:32,109

Marc Preston: on a taco last night.

948

00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,023

Marc Preston: I felt it.

949

00:43:33,064 --> 00:43:34,352

Marc Preston: I cooked, I felt like I was like, hey, I'm

950

00:43:34,372 --> 00:43:34,794

Marc Preston: being healthy.

951

00:43:34,815 --> 00:43:36,363

Marc Preston: There's a few leaves of something here.

952

00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:40,368

Marc Preston: Now, if you were to sit down for a cup of

953

00:43:40,408 --> 00:43:42,695

Marc Preston: coffee, to sit down and talk, story three

954

00:43:42,736 --> 00:43:45,907

Marc Preston: people, living or not, who do you think

955

00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:47,232

Marc Preston: would make for a great few hours

956

00:43:47,313 --> 00:43:48,035

Marc Preston: conversation?

957

00:43:48,055 --> 00:43:50,164

Marc Preston: Who would those three people be?

958

00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:58,990

Leigh Steinberg: I think it'd be Martin Luther King, mahatma

959

00:43:59,350 --> 00:44:04,216

Leigh Steinberg: Gandhi and maybe somebody like Denzel

960

00:44:04,256 --> 00:44:04,837

Leigh Steinberg: Washington.

961

00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:06,768

Marc Preston: I think Denzel would be a great one.

962

00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,573

Marc Preston: I mean anybody there that just they operate

963

00:44:09,633 --> 00:44:10,598

Marc Preston: at the top of their game.

964

00:44:10,638 --> 00:44:12,386

Marc Preston: He seems to have a great mental game.

965

00:44:13,062 --> 00:44:14,265

Marc Preston: Yeah, I know, for lack of a better way of

966

00:44:14,305 --> 00:44:16,110

Marc Preston: putting it, those people really intrigued

967

00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:16,250

Marc Preston: me.

968

00:44:17,741 --> 00:44:21,248

Leigh Steinberg: Well, he and Russell Crowe are two actors

969

00:44:21,368 --> 00:44:24,574

Leigh Steinberg: to me who submerge themselves into a role,

970

00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,469

Leigh Steinberg: and it's not necessarily them each time.

971

00:44:28,501 --> 00:44:30,784

Leigh Steinberg: Now, the word I know Jimmy Fox, and I

972

00:44:30,804 --> 00:44:36,073

Leigh Steinberg: remember watching him as Ray Charles.

973

00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,547

Marc Preston: He was in any given Sunday also, wasn't he?

974

00:44:40,922 --> 00:44:43,368

Leigh Steinberg: Yes, which I also was technical advisor for.

975

00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,089

Leigh Steinberg: And the point is, there's certain actors

976

00:44:48,149 --> 00:44:50,678

Leigh Steinberg: who, if you see Russell Crowe and Gladiator,

977

00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,307

Leigh Steinberg: it's not the Russell Crowe of a beautiful

978

00:44:53,367 --> 00:44:59,953

Leigh Steinberg: mind, it's not the Russell Crowe in Les Mis,

979

00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:00,981

Leigh Steinberg: you know it's.

980

00:45:02,043 --> 00:45:05,850

Leigh Steinberg: He inhabits the roles and you forget who

981

00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:06,771

Leigh Steinberg: the actor is.

982

00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:08,334

Leigh Steinberg: You're just into the role.

983

00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:10,085

Marc Preston: Yeah, as an actor, I look at them and think

984

00:45:10,105 --> 00:45:10,888

Marc Preston: they're just aliens.

985

00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:11,683

Marc Preston: I don't know how they do it.

986

00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:14,628

Marc Preston: Another one is Leonardo DiCaprio.

987

00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,550

Marc Preston: He's one of those guys that again, kind of

988

00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:18,240

Marc Preston: like I mentioned with Tom Cruise they're

989

00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,223

Marc Preston: just so well prepared, they show up on set

990

00:45:21,283 --> 00:45:23,410

Marc Preston: and everything it's just all locked in.

991

00:45:24,022 --> 00:45:26,408

Marc Preston: To me it's like a player who it's game day.

992

00:45:26,508 --> 00:45:28,301

Marc Preston: You know when they blow the whistle they're

993

00:45:28,321 --> 00:45:28,481

Marc Preston: ready.

994

00:45:28,762 --> 00:45:31,923

Marc Preston: You know, now, if we were to, if I was to

995

00:45:31,983 --> 00:45:35,251

Marc Preston: say that you, you and the family, y'all get

996

00:45:35,271 --> 00:45:37,125

Marc Preston: to go hang out on an island, beautiful,

997

00:45:37,366 --> 00:45:39,073

Marc Preston: amazing island for a year, but you're not

998

00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:40,419

Marc Preston: going to have streaming or internet or

999

00:45:40,479 --> 00:45:41,802

Marc Preston: anything, so you're going to have to bring

00:45:42,463 --> 00:45:45,129

Marc Preston: with you a CD, your favorite album, and a

00:45:45,169 --> 00:45:48,324

Marc Preston: DVD, a movie that you can watch over and

00:45:48,404 --> 00:45:48,926

Marc Preston: over again.

00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,805

Marc Preston: What would that album be and what would

00:45:50,825 --> 00:45:51,607

Marc Preston: that DVD be?

00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,847

Leigh Steinberg: Well, the album would be Motown and it

00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:02,573

Leigh Steinberg: would be the Supremes of Four Tops or a

00:46:02,694 --> 00:46:07,125

Leigh Steinberg: group from Back in my Youth, and the movie

00:46:07,405 --> 00:46:11,413

Leigh Steinberg: would you know, as men we watch so many

00:46:11,513 --> 00:46:13,523

Leigh Steinberg: movies and if we like them we watch them

00:46:13,623 --> 00:46:13,784

Leigh Steinberg: over.

00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:20,223

Leigh Steinberg: The Godfather one and two, three I thought

00:46:20,303 --> 00:46:20,966

Leigh Steinberg: didn't work.

00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,270

Leigh Steinberg: I would cut one and two chronologically so

00:46:24,351 --> 00:46:27,160

Leigh Steinberg: that actually the first part of the movie

00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:33,109

Leigh Steinberg: is is Corleone growing up in Italy, and

00:46:33,149 --> 00:46:35,393

Leigh Steinberg: then Trace it chronologically.

00:46:37,381 --> 00:46:39,966

Leigh Steinberg: But the Godfather, the quality of those

00:46:40,346 --> 00:46:43,913

Leigh Steinberg: actors to have Marlon Brando and Robert De

00:46:43,973 --> 00:46:48,366

Leigh Steinberg: Niro and Al Pacino and Diane Keaton and all

00:46:48,426 --> 00:46:52,052

Leigh Steinberg: those amazing actors in one movie and it

00:46:52,272 --> 00:46:53,955

Leigh Steinberg: speaks a lot to human nature.

00:46:54,963 --> 00:46:57,610

Marc Preston: Have you seen the Paramount Plus the offer?

00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:59,785

Marc Preston: I think it's on Paramount Plus the offer,

00:46:59,825 --> 00:47:02,492

Marc Preston: the movie about the making of the Godfather.

00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:03,885

Marc Preston: Oh, it was so good.

00:47:03,945 --> 00:47:04,467

Marc Preston: It was so good.

00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:07,507

Marc Preston: It was when you realize the obstacles they

00:47:07,567 --> 00:47:10,233

Marc Preston: had the producer having to negotiate with

00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,631

Marc Preston: the Italian League, I think it's what it

00:47:12,652 --> 00:47:12,933

Marc Preston: was called.

00:47:12,993 --> 00:47:16,444

Marc Preston: It was just getting the movie made and then

00:47:16,464 --> 00:47:19,691

Marc Preston: the selection, because Pacino was not as

00:47:19,772 --> 00:47:20,613

Marc Preston: big of an actor back then.

00:47:21,963 --> 00:47:23,928

Marc Preston: But yeah, I do believe there are some great

00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:25,011

Marc Preston: actors in the third one.

00:47:25,031 --> 00:47:26,283

Marc Preston: But I don't think the third one worked

00:47:26,905 --> 00:47:28,390

Marc Preston: nearly at the level the first two did.

00:47:28,681 --> 00:47:29,866

Marc Preston: I will agree with you on that.

00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,785

Leigh Steinberg: The third one didn't work because somewhere

00:47:32,845 --> 00:47:37,413

Leigh Steinberg: between two and three, al Pacino morphed

00:47:37,754 --> 00:47:42,808

Leigh Steinberg: from a cold-blooded businessman into an old

00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:44,011

Leigh Steinberg: mensch.

00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,281

Leigh Steinberg: His voice wasn't even the same, he wasn't

00:47:48,301 --> 00:47:48,823

Leigh Steinberg: the same.

00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:51,612

Leigh Steinberg: There was no character development that

00:47:51,693 --> 00:47:56,565

Leigh Steinberg: took you from this steely, cold business

00:47:56,625 --> 00:48:00,453

Leigh Steinberg: person to this wonderful old grandpa.

00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,985

Marc Preston: Well, as a kind of a side question, what

00:48:04,105 --> 00:48:07,972

Marc Preston: movie about professional sports do you feel

00:48:08,353 --> 00:48:09,094

Marc Preston: got it right?

00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:11,846

Marc Preston: I almost got it right for the time it came

00:48:11,886 --> 00:48:14,232

Marc Preston: out, because a movie came out in the 70s

00:48:14,272 --> 00:48:15,734

Marc Preston: most certainly I don't know if it applies

00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:17,916

Marc Preston: necessarily to this paradigm, like we're

00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:18,982

Marc Preston: talking about just the money issue.

00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,423

Marc Preston: What movie do you think got it right in

00:48:22,463 --> 00:48:24,949

Marc Preston: telling a story that seems and feels true

00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:27,263

Marc Preston: to the life of professional athletes and

00:48:27,283 --> 00:48:28,989

Marc Preston: just kind of the ecosystem of professional

00:48:29,029 --> 00:48:29,390

Marc Preston: sports?

00:48:29,741 --> 00:48:32,245

Leigh Steinberg: Well, I hope Jerry Marrard did, because

00:48:33,848 --> 00:48:36,332

Leigh Steinberg: that was one of the films I was technical

00:48:36,452 --> 00:48:37,274

Leigh Steinberg: advisor on.

00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,091

Leigh Steinberg: I then did Any Given Sunday with Oliver

00:48:42,131 --> 00:48:45,399

Leigh Steinberg: Stone and I then did a baseball movie

00:48:45,419 --> 00:48:46,824

Leigh Steinberg: called For the Love of a Game.

00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,586

Leigh Steinberg: I was technical advisor.

00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,744

Leigh Steinberg: But you know the old Pride of the Anx, some

00:48:54,785 --> 00:48:57,088

Leigh Steinberg: of those old movies.

00:48:57,990 --> 00:49:03,122

Leigh Steinberg: Every modestly themed, modestly budgeted

00:49:04,785 --> 00:49:09,371

Leigh Steinberg: movie based on aspirational stories, where

00:49:09,452 --> 00:49:13,222

Leigh Steinberg: someone hits challenge and crash and then

00:49:13,262 --> 00:49:18,131

Leigh Steinberg: has to come back and they all work and

00:49:18,913 --> 00:49:23,442

Leigh Steinberg: because it's a life, will push us all back

00:49:24,224 --> 00:49:26,470

Leigh Steinberg: and the question is, can you be resilient?

00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:30,385

Leigh Steinberg: And those films all have that.

00:49:30,726 --> 00:49:35,495

Leigh Steinberg: They have aspiration, hope, reversals,

00:49:35,795 --> 00:49:39,485

Leigh Steinberg: tragedy, and then they come to a happy

00:49:39,585 --> 00:49:39,826

Leigh Steinberg: ending.

00:49:40,501 --> 00:49:42,589

Marc Preston: You know I thought about you when I was

00:49:42,649 --> 00:49:44,677

Marc Preston: watching just a little while back.

00:49:44,717 --> 00:49:46,463

Marc Preston: I think it was called Draft Day, kevin

00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:47,987

Marc Preston: Costner, I believe that's what it was

00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:48,288

Marc Preston: called.

00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,504

Marc Preston: That seemed like I got fatigued just

00:49:51,544 --> 00:49:51,965

Marc Preston: watching it.

00:49:51,986 --> 00:49:53,750

Marc Preston: Going man, there are a lot of moving parts

00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:54,432

Marc Preston: in this industry.

00:49:57,124 --> 00:50:01,552

Leigh Steinberg: I thought they did a good job getting the

00:50:02,133 --> 00:50:06,140

Leigh Steinberg: pre-draft conflict over who you would take

00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,725

Leigh Steinberg: and how that would work and showing you how

00:50:08,846 --> 00:50:11,932

Leigh Steinberg: scouting introduced a player to a team and

00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:13,404

Leigh Steinberg: their assessment.

00:50:14,741 --> 00:50:17,007

Leigh Steinberg: And with all the means and dollars they

00:50:17,047 --> 00:50:20,395

Leigh Steinberg: spend, they still make in scouting.

00:50:20,435 --> 00:50:22,320

Leigh Steinberg: They still make major mistakes.

00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,307

Leigh Steinberg: I can guarantee you that we just had an NFL

00:50:26,347 --> 00:50:26,668

Leigh Steinberg: Draft.

00:50:26,688 --> 00:50:30,681

Leigh Steinberg: We're about to have an NBA Draft and if you

00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:34,110

Leigh Steinberg: go out three or four years, a third to 40%

00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,738

Leigh Steinberg: of the first rounders will either

00:50:36,898 --> 00:50:39,006

Leigh Steinberg: underperform or not make it at all.

00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,288

Leigh Steinberg: Now they can't all be bad draft picks, so

00:50:42,368 --> 00:50:43,612

Leigh Steinberg: it's a strange process.

00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:50,354

Marc Preston: It reminds me of a film with Clint Eastwood.

00:50:50,394 --> 00:50:52,679

Marc Preston: He was kind of on the back end of his

00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:53,020

Marc Preston: career.

00:50:55,307 --> 00:50:57,473

Marc Preston: Guy could go out and he was a scout for a

00:50:57,554 --> 00:50:59,640

Marc Preston: professional baseball team and he went out

00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,905

Marc Preston: and he could see things maybe.

00:51:02,202 --> 00:51:04,850

Leigh Steinberg: Oh, the baseball movie with his dog.

00:51:06,324 --> 00:51:07,226

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah, that was a good one.

00:51:09,340 --> 00:51:11,385

Marc Preston: Now the next question I got for you if you

00:51:11,405 --> 00:51:13,571

Marc Preston: were to define, from the time you get up

00:51:13,651 --> 00:51:15,223

Marc Preston: until the evening when you go to sleep,

00:51:15,463 --> 00:51:18,089

Marc Preston: what are the component parts for you for a

00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:18,992

Marc Preston: perfect day?

00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:23,426

Leigh Steinberg: So I do these treatments hyperbaric oxygen

00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:28,013

Leigh Steinberg: and try to integrate light, stem and mat.

00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,248

Leigh Steinberg: I have a Fitbit and I try to walk 15,000

00:51:33,308 --> 00:51:37,503

Leigh Steinberg: steps a day, three or four times a week.

00:51:37,583 --> 00:51:39,308

Leigh Steinberg: I'll work out with the personal trainer.

00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:44,527

Leigh Steinberg: So it's come in the office, but we've had a

00:51:44,588 --> 00:51:46,571

Leigh Steinberg: particularly overcast summer.

00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,945

Leigh Steinberg: I love the beach, I love water.

00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,012

Leigh Steinberg: My view here is well, I'll show you.

00:51:58,683 --> 00:52:03,740

Marc Preston: Oh, now you're just making me envious For

00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,442

Marc Preston: those who are listening.

00:52:04,642 --> 00:52:06,146

Marc Preston: You're right on the bay there.

00:52:09,862 --> 00:52:10,484

Announcer: I will say this.

00:52:10,604 --> 00:52:12,089

Marc Preston: I can work from anywhere doing what I'm

00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:12,310

Marc Preston: doing.

00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,006

Marc Preston: I sat down with my third child, Emma.

00:52:15,126 --> 00:52:17,071

Marc Preston: She just graduated high school and she's

00:52:17,091 --> 00:52:19,486

Marc Preston: going to do a gap year and I was like where

00:52:19,526 --> 00:52:20,529

Marc Preston: do I really want to be?

00:52:21,201 --> 00:52:22,886

Marc Preston: Ultimately, I want to move back to Texas,

00:52:23,307 --> 00:52:24,149

Marc Preston: Southern California.

00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:27,046

Marc Preston: I decided there is a little island on the

00:52:27,086 --> 00:52:29,152

Marc Preston: south Texas coast called South Padre and I

00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:30,585

Marc Preston: was like I'm just going to plant myself

00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:30,866

Marc Preston: there.

00:52:33,267 --> 00:52:34,933

Marc Preston: I know I'm going to be more active and if

00:52:34,953 --> 00:52:36,800

Marc Preston: I'm next to the beach, if I'm next to water,

00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:37,905

Marc Preston: I'm going to be more active.

00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,507

Marc Preston: I'm going to be outside more.

00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,646

Marc Preston: So that's actually part of it.

00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:44,886

Marc Preston: I find that I feel healthier when I'm near

00:52:44,906 --> 00:52:45,307

Marc Preston: the water.

00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,390

Leigh Steinberg: So I could live in a ramshackle hovel as

00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:53,113

Leigh Steinberg: long as I had a view of the ocean.

00:52:53,193 --> 00:52:56,950

Leigh Steinberg: And when I lived more in the Bay Area, I

00:52:57,151 --> 00:52:59,239

Leigh Steinberg: looked out at the Golden Gate Bridge and it

00:52:59,279 --> 00:53:02,044

Leigh Steinberg: could be a shack, it could be a tent, but

00:53:02,084 --> 00:53:06,653

Leigh Steinberg: if I can look at water it makes everything

00:53:06,713 --> 00:53:06,893

Leigh Steinberg: go.

00:53:07,881 --> 00:53:10,887

Leigh Steinberg: And the other thing I'd add to so they have

00:53:10,947 --> 00:53:13,673

Leigh Steinberg: a day filled with talking to clients,

00:53:13,793 --> 00:53:18,370

Leigh Steinberg: talking to teams, talking to doing all

00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:19,332

Leigh Steinberg: those different things.

00:53:19,552 --> 00:53:23,321

Leigh Steinberg: But one of the things I love is to read,

00:53:24,042 --> 00:53:27,489

Leigh Steinberg: and I actually have a book club on Facebook

00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:29,193

Leigh Steinberg: that's got a bunch of members.

00:53:30,922 --> 00:53:32,044

Leigh Steinberg: But I always want to learn.

00:53:32,104 --> 00:53:34,809

Leigh Steinberg: I want to keep reading and learning and

00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:37,694

Leigh Steinberg: knowing about everything happening.

00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:40,687

Leigh Steinberg: It's part of how you get vision as to what

00:53:40,707 --> 00:53:42,051

Leigh Steinberg: the future is going to be.

00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,423

Marc Preston: Well, the book club.

00:53:43,443 --> 00:53:44,748

Marc Preston: I know you've written a few books.

00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:47,186

Marc Preston: Are those in audiobook form as well?

00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,776

Leigh Steinberg: Working with Integrity was my primer on the

00:53:52,856 --> 00:53:53,600

Leigh Steinberg: art of negotiating.

00:53:53,981 --> 00:53:55,766

Leigh Steinberg: It was the 12 essential rules in

00:53:55,806 --> 00:53:56,488

Leigh Steinberg: negotiating.

00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:00,225

Leigh Steinberg: Then, in 2014, I wrote one called the Agent,

00:54:00,325 --> 00:54:03,190

Leigh Steinberg: which is an autobiography, and I'm

00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:08,143

Leigh Steinberg: currently done the first draft of a third

00:54:08,223 --> 00:54:12,111

Leigh Steinberg: book which will take me from that point in

00:54:12,151 --> 00:54:15,463

Leigh Steinberg: 2014, and then sort of the rebuilding of a

00:54:15,523 --> 00:54:20,873

Leigh Steinberg: practice and my struggle with alcohol and a

00:54:20,913 --> 00:54:24,600

Leigh Steinberg: variety of and then life lessons.

00:54:26,084 --> 00:54:28,411

Leigh Steinberg: You know, there's things I've learned, and

00:54:28,672 --> 00:54:31,300

Leigh Steinberg: a lot of it's about resilience and coming

00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:34,709

Leigh Steinberg: back from adversity.

00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,302

Marc Preston: Live long enough.

00:54:36,382 --> 00:54:38,328

Marc Preston: You really appreciate those aspects of life.

00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,049

Marc Preston: You realize it's you don't always, as you

00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:43,100

Marc Preston: know, probably better than most especially

00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,966

Marc Preston: what, working in the industry you do,

00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,427

Marc Preston: athletes are literally top of their literal,

00:54:47,708 --> 00:54:49,999

Marc Preston: figurative game in life, and then that's

00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,340

Marc Preston: only a snapshot of their entire life, you

00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,521

Marc Preston: know.

00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:56,425

Marc Preston: And so what do they do after that's?

00:54:56,485 --> 00:54:58,462

Marc Preston: I will be purchasing that book, but I know

00:54:58,502 --> 00:54:59,507

Marc Preston: I can't really read, as reading puts me to

00:54:59,527 --> 00:55:00,411

Marc Preston: sleep because the time I do it it's at

00:55:00,431 --> 00:55:00,531

Marc Preston: night.

00:55:00,551 --> 00:55:01,435

Marc Preston: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

00:55:01,456 --> 00:55:02,239

Marc Preston: like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

00:55:02,259 --> 00:55:02,400

Marc Preston: like.

00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:03,545

Marc Preston: Wake up with a book on my chest.

00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:06,109

Marc Preston: I've moved in the audio book category more,

00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:08,702

Marc Preston: and when I'm driving in my car I'm usually

00:55:08,742 --> 00:55:10,308

Marc Preston: listening to a book or a podcast.

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Marc Preston: But the last two questions is if you

00:55:14,028 --> 00:55:15,623

Marc Preston: weren't doing this, if this was not your

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Marc Preston: vocation and there was some kind of a

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Marc Preston: universe where you would not be working in

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Marc Preston: sports and entertainment, what would you be

00:55:21,543 --> 00:55:21,785

Marc Preston: doing?

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Leigh Steinberg: Well, I'd probably be a writer, I would you

00:55:26,406 --> 00:55:26,546

Leigh Steinberg: know.

00:55:26,566 --> 00:55:28,291

Leigh Steinberg: I might write for newspaper.

00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,503

Leigh Steinberg: I might cover sports.

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Leigh Steinberg: I might write politics.

00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,548

Leigh Steinberg: I've done a couple radio shows as the host

00:55:36,889 --> 00:55:38,953

Leigh Steinberg: and podcast as the host.

00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:44,328

Leigh Steinberg: Probably trying to push back climate change

00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,686

Leigh Steinberg: would be my top goal.

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Marc Preston: The last question I've got for you.

00:55:49,562 --> 00:55:52,527

Marc Preston: If we were to get that DeLorean like from

00:55:52,567 --> 00:55:54,184

Marc Preston: Back to the Future and you're going to go

00:55:54,204 --> 00:55:56,225

Marc Preston: back in time you had a couple of minutes

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Marc Preston: with you as a 16-year-old.

00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,768

Marc Preston: What piece of advice would you pass along,

00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,310

Marc Preston: either to make your path or that moment in

00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:05,365

Marc Preston: your life somehow better, or maybe put you

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Marc Preston: on a different track, a little bit

00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:07,871

Marc Preston: different track?

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Marc Preston: What would your advice be to 16-year-old

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Marc Preston: you?

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Leigh Steinberg: Since I struggled with alcohol and I'm now

00:56:17,443 --> 00:56:20,284

Leigh Steinberg: 13 years sober, I think I would tell that

00:56:20,344 --> 00:56:22,945

Leigh Steinberg: young person that you can handle any

00:56:23,106 --> 00:56:27,728

Leigh Steinberg: problem in life death, sickness, challenge

00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:31,747

Leigh Steinberg: and you don't need to try to mask the pain

00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:35,845

Leigh Steinberg: with substances and to be careful, because

00:56:36,547 --> 00:56:37,971

Leigh Steinberg: I didn't drink my whole life.

00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:43,153

Leigh Steinberg: It came later in life and you have to.

00:56:43,314 --> 00:56:44,762

Leigh Steinberg: You don't have to have a genetic

00:56:44,822 --> 00:56:48,211

Leigh Steinberg: predisposition towards substance abuse.

00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:54,721

Leigh Steinberg: You can just get there by not dealing with

00:56:54,741 --> 00:56:55,845

Leigh Steinberg: problems frontally.

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Marc Preston: When your book comes out.

00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,848

Marc Preston: I think that'll be very informative to a

00:56:59,908 --> 00:57:00,510

Marc Preston: lot of folks.

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Marc Preston: But again, I really want to thank you.

00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,723

Marc Preston: I know you are obviously very active and

00:57:05,743 --> 00:57:07,200

Marc Preston: taking this time out with me means a lot,

00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,946

Marc Preston: and I do appreciate it, without a doubt.

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Leigh Steinberg: My pleasure.

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Marc Preston: Thank you so much.

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Marc Preston: You take care now.

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Leigh Steinberg: Okay, Marc, take it easy.

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Marc Preston: All right, there you go, lee Steinberg.

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Marc Preston: Enjoy this chat so much.

00:57:20,901 --> 00:57:22,427

Marc Preston: It's really cool to speak to an actual

00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:26,650

Marc Preston: bonafide legend and master practitioner in

00:57:26,851 --> 00:57:29,365

Marc Preston: any industry, and Lee Steinberg is, when it

00:57:29,405 --> 00:57:32,584

Marc Preston: comes to sports agenting is the guy.

00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,348

Marc Preston: He is just a great guy with a cool

00:57:36,388 --> 00:57:39,144

Marc Preston: philanthropic attitude and just so talented

00:57:39,405 --> 00:57:41,150

Marc Preston: and inspirational cool guy.

00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,866

Marc Preston: And again, like I said at the beginning of

00:57:42,886 --> 00:57:46,068

Marc Preston: the show, I am so happy to be back with you.

00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,161

Marc Preston: It's been a long time and I know it has and

00:57:50,241 --> 00:57:53,464

Marc Preston: I've got some great guests, some folks who

00:57:54,046 --> 00:57:55,502

Marc Preston: you know and know well, got some great

00:57:55,542 --> 00:57:57,008

Marc Preston: movies and TV shows coming out.

00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,064

Marc Preston: They're gonna check in with us.

00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,386

Marc Preston: That's coming up shortly and, if all goes

00:58:02,446 --> 00:58:04,805

Marc Preston: to plan, we should be coming out with two

00:58:04,865 --> 00:58:06,804

Marc Preston: episodes per week going forward.

00:58:07,361 --> 00:58:10,309

Marc Preston: So if you have missed Story and Craft,

00:58:10,429 --> 00:58:13,993

Marc Preston: don't worry, I will keep your podcast app

00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,487

Marc Preston: plenty full with great conversations.

00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:18,225

Marc Preston: So that's it for today.

00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,169

Marc Preston: Don't forget Storyandcraftpod.com.

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00:58:29,048 --> 00:58:31,887

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00:58:31,947 --> 00:58:33,841

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00:58:33,881 --> 00:58:35,923

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00:58:36,023 --> 00:58:38,350

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00:58:39,161 --> 00:58:41,368

Marc Preston: And you know, I'm gonna go grab myself a

00:58:41,408 --> 00:58:42,884

Marc Preston: bite to eat, as you know, at the end of the

00:58:42,924 --> 00:58:44,128

Marc Preston: show I'm always hungry.

00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:45,706

Marc Preston: That's just the way it is.

00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,706

Marc Preston: So I'm gonna run, you go have a great rest

00:58:48,746 --> 00:58:50,202

Marc Preston: of your week or weekend or whenever you're

00:58:50,222 --> 00:58:51,945

Marc Preston: listening, and come on back.

00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,247

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00:58:55,001 --> 00:58:57,127

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00:58:57,208 --> 00:58:57,629

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