Kristian Nairn | Beyond The Throne

Because they have a castle built inside a

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studio, and everything's real.

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It's not just silly props.

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Everything smells correct.

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Not that I know what a

castle should smell like.

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There would be real dead animals

hanging out, like, you really

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felt like you were there.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Now, here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Okay, here we go.

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Another episode of Story Craft.

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How are you?

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Hope you're doing well.

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My name is Marc Preston.

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If this is your first episode

of Story Craft, welcome.

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Welcome.

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So glad to have you appreciate you,

uh, being by for the fun and mischief.

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And of course, if this is a return

episode, you've been here before.

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Thank you for coming back by very much.

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Appreciate it.

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All right today, Kristian Nairn going

to let you check out the, uh, sit down

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Kristian and I had a really cool guy.

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You might know him from game of Thrones.

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Uh, also our flag means

death and other HBO show.

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Uh, now the new book he has

out a memoir is called beyond.

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The throne talking about his life,

his background, uh, not only as an

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actor, but as a DJ, uh, he's mixed

with and toured with, uh, some big

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names, just an interesting guy.

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Really enjoyed the opportunity

to sit down with Kristian.

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Also appreciate the opportunity

to have you here with me.

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All right.

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So, uh, right now I've got a,

uh, golden retriever, uh, the

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ranger is underneath my legs here.

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Uh, he's being very good.

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Uh, yes, I'm talking about you.

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You know, it's his first show he's

done with me, hanging out, sitting, uh,

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sitting with me here while I record.

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He's looking at me going,

make this thing interesting.

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Okay, so I will do that right

now because it is Kristian Nairn

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Day, right here on Story Craft.

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Kristian Nairn: Yeah, it's very much

about our flagman's death at the moment.

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Although there's definitely been a

resurgence and the interest for Game

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of Thrones with It's interesting,

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Marc Preston: it seems like Game of

Thrones, it has kind of like a following

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which doesn't abate, you know, it's just

people are just very passionate about it.

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Now the, the book you put out, is it a

memoir or is it kind of you reflecting

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on your time uh, doing Game of Thrones?

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Okay, what's kind of For lack

of a better way of putting

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Kristian Nairn: it, the gist of the book.

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Well, when I first started this

process, I didn't know the difference

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between an autobiography and a memoir.

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But I do now know that it is,

it is definitely a memoir.

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It's just a time in my life, really,

right from the start till now, um, it's

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not an autobiography because I still

believe there's plenty more to come.

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I'm interested to see

what's going to happen now.

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I'm not going to write another

one, but, um, It's just about

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how the show changed my life.

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It really helped me fit into my own skin.

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And, uh, I try to make me, I

don't say that I set it into

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my life when I was younger.

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And through things like Game

of Thrones, music, performance,

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and really finding who I am.

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Um, I made my life fit me rather

than me trying to fit in, you

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know, and that's been successful

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Marc Preston: for me.

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How did Game of Thrones come to you?

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I mean, was there something that

you were just a working actor?

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You're out there, you're auditioning,

or was there somebody saw you?

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It's like, yeah, we got this thing

we're doing and you're great for it.

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You know, how did it

come together for you?

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That's a little bit of

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Kristian Nairn: both.

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Um, I wasn't working as

an actor at the time.

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I was, uh, I was actually a drag

artist, a DJ, um, and occasionally I

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would have had a dramatic audition,

but I didn't really, honestly, I didn't

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really have that much interest in it

at the time because I thought music

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was the only thing that fulfilled me.

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Um, I later discovered that it's actually

expression that fulfills me, any kind of

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expression, be it acting, be it DJing,

singing, be it drawing a picture on my

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own with no, with no commercial attitudes.

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It all makes me feel the same.

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And that's a good thing.

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I just have to express and create.

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Um, and that's the, what the

book shows, but it wasn't an

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easy path for me to get there.

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I take passive blame for that

as well myself, because you have

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to believe in yourself before

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Marc Preston: anybody else will.

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Transcribed I think a lot of self doubt

anytime you, anytime you do something

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creative, you know, because what I think

motivates people to do something creative.

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Uh, and the folks I've spoken with here

and in my career and doing what I do, you

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know, you have a lot of folks are kind of

in their own head a little bit, you know,

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they have something they want to express.

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They just got to find the right path.

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You know, you said you were DJing.

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That's something for me, which is

very cool because I know only my kids

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who have this, the, your, your genre

of music or genres of music, uh,

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something I'm, I'm actually pretty into.

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Question, cause I got a nerd out

on this, your opinion, uh, cause

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you're the only, the only mixer DJ

I've had a chance to speak with.

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

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I did.

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I did.

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No, I did speak to Ariel Vroman,

uh, who's a director as well.

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I did speak with him.

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Uh, he has that new show.

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It'll be, uh, 1992 coming out.

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Um, would you say, like,

would it be, like, maybe mid

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to late 90s to early 2000s?

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Do you think that was kind of like a A

golden era, a lot of the guys which are

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now being sampled in music, uh, and,

and, or being having remixes come out.

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What, what is your thought on that?

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Just to kind of as a little side

note, do you think that was sort of a

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pivotal era in, in electronic music?

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Kristian Nairn: Very much so.

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Um, I knew really very little about

electronic music back then, but

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I was a very anxious music buyer.

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I just, uh, we had to retain a friend

that I would go down to the local

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music store on a Monday with as much

money or pocket money, we could muster.

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Uh, um, I would just buy random

cheap CD singles and that's how

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I got into house music really.

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Because you had like

Robin S, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Um, you had like all the big

tracks, which are still being,

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as you say, remixed today.

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They've been released like a hundred times

already, but the originals came out then.

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And it was a heyday.

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And it was for quite a long time.

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The club scene was booming.

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Um, you had artists like

Shapeshifters, who did Lola's theme.

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That changed, that changed house music.

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Um, I, I, I would, I would say

blame, I, I would attribute.

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To the explosion.

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Absolutely.

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But, um, it's very different now.

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Very different on your right.

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Yeah.

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I,

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Marc Preston: I'm kind of into,

uh, I I guess it would be defined

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because like it was tropical house,

you know, I don't know if that Yeah.

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You know, there's so many sub and

some sub genres and that's kind

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of like, I don't know it, 'cause

I'm living next to the beach.

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I don't know if that's kinda

like sitting or something.

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Like, I noticed that a lot of the big

names there, uh, that were, that were

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really, that were just kind of in the

scene and, and there was, they were

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getting kind of regular radio airplay.

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Uh, like Robert Miles, the song children.

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I remember that was like a

big, I've looked at some of

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the names of your remixing.

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I, you know, again, I got

to geek out a little bit.

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When you remix a song,

what is the process?

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Do you hear it and go, God, I've

got some ideas of their song.

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What I can, what I

personally can do with it.

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What's the path of going,

I'm going to remix it.

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Do you get in touch with the artist

and how do you get a hold of the tracks

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that you need, or do you just get the

raw song and to start playing with it?

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Kristian Nairn: There are so many ways.

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It's going to cut, um, through,

do we say that anymore?

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Swag your cats.

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We'll swag them.

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Yeah.

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We'll swag them non violently.

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We'll just sniff your face.

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The cat's enjoying the swagging, guys.

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So if I go after the track, if there's a

track I might want to do, I will contact

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the artist and I'll ask for the parts.

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You ask for the parts.

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If you're producing on a DAW, um,

like Logic or, um, Fruity Loops

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or Raisin, anything like that.

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Um, those are all different programs

for producing electronic music.

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Um, you get all the parts separately,

the bass, the synthesizers, even the

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automation on the tracks, like turning up

a chorus or turning up a, uh, a reverb.

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That's all I'm going to do.

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I'll be in.

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It'll be in the files, if you

can get the original signs,

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Marc Preston: it's better because

yeah, I'm assuming it would be

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because if it just, you know, you can

really rebuild it from, from scratch.

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Uh, but did you have a musical background?

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Are we, were you a, were you a band kid

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Kristian Nairn: in school?

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And I try to play things in rather

than draw that if you don't mean

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with the mouse, I can't play piano,

I can't play the guitar and stuff.

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So I try to do it slightly differently.

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You said like, when you're writing

music on a computer like this,

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it doesn't feel natural to me.

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So I try

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Marc Preston: to do it on

an instrument at least.

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As far as the collaborations, like

what, if you go into your library, what

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is it that you think is like, Oh man,

this is, this is for me, this is kind

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of like perfect collaboration or this

is, this is exactly, uh, this is my,

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my, my figurative voice, you know, what

would that, what would that be for you?

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Kristian Nairn: If you're working

with an original track, it's all

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about putting your stamp on it.

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Um, you obviously have a point of view.

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And you have an end goal.

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Um, so I first of all try to

work out is this gonna work?

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Is it gonna work with the elements

that I'm gonna change the,

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I'm gonna change the baseline.

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Um, a lot of the tracks I choose

from our traditional, like

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nineties or two thousands TRAs.

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And so for start, I'm gonna

have bring 'em down at BPM by

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probably 15 to 20 BPM sometimes.

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And that will automatically

create space and therefore a

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very different vibe to the track.

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So that's, that's almost that

part of the work done for me.

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If I can slow it down, create

a bit more room in the track

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from all the mad 135 to 145 BPM.

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I normally sit around 127, 126.

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It definitely creates head space.

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And the music, I like that, I enjoy that.

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When I listen to music, I put my

own elements into it, my brain,

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and I imagine that most people

do that, but maybe they don't.

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I don't know, but when I have a little

bit of space in the track, I can sort

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of, even my imagination goes nuts.

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Like, even when I listen to some of

the old classic records, like Beethoven

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and stuff, when I was a child, I

would be going, why didn't he do that?

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Why didn't he try this direction?

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And my mom was always like,

oh shut up, Kristian.

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Right, yeah, it's Beethoven.

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What would you know?

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I'll just show you, what would I know?

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I've always been into

reworking and rejigging.

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Marc Preston: So do you, do you enjoy,

um, were you always a performer?

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I know you're getting, when you get up

and DJ and you do a live set, you've

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got, you know, my daughter works with me.

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She bartended over the summer at a

big beach bar here on the island.

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Steve Aoki came and played and do you

enjoy being up in front of a large

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crowd and just kind of, kind of just,

you know, what's the energy like for

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Kristian Nairn: you

when you're doing that?

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It's the best feeling in the world.

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Um, of all the things I do in my life

and have done and probably will do.

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Um, there's nothing gives me a bigger

buzz than standing behind a DJ, um,

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set or being on stage with music.

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Um, I've, I've played in bands, you

asked me before with the band kids

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thing, I've toured with Scissor Sisters.

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Um, I've been on tour with a number of

bands actually, and it's the same feeling.

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I just love being on stage.

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For someone who was such a shy

kid, I would have told you, you

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were crazy, um, if you'd told

me what I would do for a career.

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Marc Preston: Isn't that

weird how that works out?

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Yeah, I remember I was telling one

of my kids It's like I could be on

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stage in front of 10 000 people I

used to work at a radio and had a

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syndicate show and everything to

get on I remember I got on stage.

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I was introducing I forgot who it was

to some late 90s band and I I think it

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was like I think it was goo goo dolls

I think uh, or oh wow And when you get

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on stage when you get lights are on

you can only see the first few rows

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anyway That, that for me was a charge.

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I was cool, but you put me in

front of like three or four people.

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That's a different story.

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So it's like the bigger the crowd,

the easier it is for those who are.

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I agree with that.

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And I

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Kristian Nairn: developed this

like focus point, which is

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just above people's eye line.

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So you're not actually making

contact with them, but you do, you

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basically drop your eyes down to the

fan, the thing, give them a wave.

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And then focus on that point

where it looks like you're living

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in the crowd, but you're not.

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Marc Preston: Were there any

parallels that you found in terms

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of performance between mixing and

doing all that and being on camera?

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Well, to me,

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Kristian Nairn: it's the same.

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It's the same vibe.

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Um, when I get up on the stage to

DJ, that's not really me there.

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Um, in some ways, it's not me.

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In some ways, it's never more me.

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But it's not me upsetting

you or talking to you.

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It's, it's a character in a way,

just like being a drag queen was

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playing a character version of itself.

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So it's very obvious that it's the

same, uh, to me, it's very obvious

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that it's the same zone in my head.

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And that's why I realized that it's

not just the individual thing of

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acting or thing of music or it's, it's

everything that really lights my fire.

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Um, and that's why I feel very

lucky that I really, I really

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have tied together three or four

things quite successfully so far.

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I feel really grateful for it.

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Because, uh, I liked the variation.

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Marc Preston: So acting, what was like

one of the big learning curve things

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that you, you know, you're, you're

working with experienced actors, you

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know, you're working on, you know,

arguably kind of a popular show.

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The show is sort of like a

law I mentioned lost earlier.

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It had cultural impact, you know,

what was that a heady thing for you?

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Or did you know going into it or while

you're doing it, did you have the sense of

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how big this was or how big it would be?

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Or what was your take on that?

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Kristian Nairn: Um, yes, I, first of all,

did on the first day say how big it was.

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Because they have a castle built

inside, built inside a studio.

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Um, and everything's real.

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Uh, it's not just silly props.

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These are things that have been made by

artisans, and everything smells correct.

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Not that I know what, not that I

know what a castle should smell like.

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But I, I, I think, That's correct.

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That would be real dead animals

hanging up with like, uh, just as

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a big obituary, like it was real.

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It felt real.

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I'm not made it really easy

to inhabit an imaginary space.

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Um, you really felt like you were

there and there was a sense of

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responsibility, um, for me cause

I did not want to do a bad job.

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Um, I really did not want to do a bad job.

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I was worried about that at first.

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Um, you know, the other thing that didn't

do me any favors because as many people

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who, as many people who were celebrating

that I'd got the part, there were other

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people saying, well, he's not an actor.

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Um, and the weird thing was that

when it came out that I was a DJ,

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the people who didn't know that said,

Oh, he's going to be a celebrity DJ.

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And I'm like, I can't win.

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I can't win.

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That was 20 years.

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You know, it wasn't just an idea I

had to bring them some extra money.

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I think that was my job.

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But um, there was definitely a heaviness

to me, for me, um, until I became

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more confident in what I was doing.

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Um, and the confidence

was the key, really.

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I'd also been collaborative.

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Marc Preston: Um, yeah, that had to be

something a little bit different for you

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because when you're DJing, you're, you're

in a room, you're home and you're, you got

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your setup and you're, you're building the

tracks here, but you're on a set, you're

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with other actors and you're reacting

and, and you know, vibing on their energy.

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That had to be a big kind of 180

for you, at least a little bit.

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Well, no, actually, because

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Kristian Nairn: really being a good DJ,

I'll say, I was going to say being a

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DJ, but I will think being a good DJ,

you should be able to read a crowd.

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I need to talk to you about energy.

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It's all about energy, man.

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Really?

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It's all about energy.

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Um, isn't life all about energy,

but it's the same, it's, it's all

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about reading the energy correctly.

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I'm giving your energy back

correctly in a way that

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Marc Preston: makes sense artistically.

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When Game of Thrones was going on,

when you, when you were shooting it,

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rather, well, I'm first of all, where

did y'all shoot Game of Thrones?

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Within around Northern Ireland.

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All my scenes were filmed there.

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So it wasn't too, it wasn't

too big of a jump for you, so.

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Going back to your, your origin story

in Ireland, what did your folks do?

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Were they, were they at all on

the creative side of things or?

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Yeah, never met my father.

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So,

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Kristian Nairn: um, I believe he was

good at the theater, but I don't know.

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Um, mom's not particularly

creative, though.

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Um, I don't come from the

political positions or actors.

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Uh, no, uh, maybe it was the milkman.

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I'm not sure.

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I've got it from somewhere there.

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Uh, did you have any, did you have any

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Marc Preston: siblings coming up

or were you, were you an only kid?

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No, I'm an only child.

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Just me and my mom.

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All right.

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You, you and I are in the only kid club.

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You know, I always like people when they

say, oh, you must have been spoiled.

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I was like, spoiled.

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No, no.

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It's, it's, it's, no, no.

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Not, not at all.

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Not spoiled.

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But so you're in Ireland, kind of the arc

of your experience based on the, like what

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you said that doing the DJ thing, what you

did kind of helped you come out of your,

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um, you know, figuratively come out of

the closet, you know, come out, kind of

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come into who you were meant to be, if you

will, what was the arc of experience for

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you, like high school, when did it, when

did you start feeling like I'm going to

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do my thing, you know, The hell with it.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, feel

kind of, kind of like you said, you, you,

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uh, your expression, you know, you're

finding the ways to express yourself.

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When did that kick in for you?

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Kristian Nairn: I think it was

just, I went to a college in, or a

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school in Belfast called Methody,

or Methodist College Belfast.

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It's a really, it's a great school.

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Mum really fought hard to put me in there.

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Is that a good?

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And I didn't swim at all.

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Uh, it was, uh, I didn't

enjoy any second of it.

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Any second.

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Um, because it was quite a

traditional school, like St.

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Aidan, or like, without all the slobs.

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Um, and Hogwarts, uh, everywhere.

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Like, just, the teachers wore

the mortarboards, the man,

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and the robe, the bat robe.

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Like, especially about corridor,

like we are or something.

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Um, that's the kind of school that

was, um, and I just did not vibe there.

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And I remember the last year I

wanted to go back to my A levels.

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That's, I don't know what the

equivalent is in America, but it's

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just before you go to university.

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I went to go back and I'd

grown my hair over the summer.

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Didn't seem important.

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And I got back in, I just got all this

hassle about how I looked and tucked

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my shirt in, you know, what happens if

you're sitting on a bus looking like this?

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I can't, you're not interested

in what we want to learn.

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You're not interested in, uh, in pushing

children towards things that they like.

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It sounds like more of a

conformity kind of a thing, you

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Marc Preston: know?

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Kristian Nairn: Yeah.

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At that stage, I'd had enough.

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I broke my mom's heart.

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I was able to see her really

fought hard to get me in there.

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And that was a pretentious moment.

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But I think she realized at the end that

I was starting to come out of Michelle

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and I needed, that was so important to

me that I, to know that little inch of,

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inch of her manicure color, that little

inch, that was so important to me.

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I would have, I would have, I

would have went to ground for that.

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Because it was just the first

statement, you know, it's the first

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thing I wouldn't back down about.

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Marc Preston: So you

decided to leave early.

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Yeah.

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What was the next step?

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You know, here you are, you

know, your mother's like, I

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don't know what you're doing.

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Did you already have a North Star?

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Did you say, this is something I want

to do, be it music or, or did you just

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like, you didn't know anything, you

had no idea what you wanted to do.

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Kristian Nairn: I knew music, but, um, my

mom sent me to that school because it had

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a legendary music department and she kind

of hoped that that would focus me on that.

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But all they were interested in with

me was getting me to play rugby.

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Oh, that I had.

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Absolutely zero, zero

interest in playing rugby.

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And that didn't go down well with

them, but I didn't have a no star, um,

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apart from the music I loved, I didn't

ever think I could make it a career.

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Uh, I didn't know if I'll be able to,

because I didn't think I lived right.

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You know, I didn't think I had the look.

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Just, I mean, it's a real thing, you know?

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Um, I don't believe it anymore, but.

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Back then I thought I would have had

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Marc Preston: to live a certain way.

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Yeah.

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So they looked at you, you know, you're

six 10, they're trying to capitalize

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on your stature, you know, it reminds

me, I remember a seventh grade.

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I got to junior high school and I remember

the vice principal became, I was already

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really, really tall for, for my age.

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I'm six two now.

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I don't know.

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I don't remember how tall I was then,

but I was one of the taller kids and

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he came up to me and he said, uh,

Hey, we really would love you to,

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you know, comes up to my locker, it's

like, You know, you play basketball.

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We want to see you at the tryouts.

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I'm like, I have zero interest

in playing basketball.

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And I just, it just was not a

sport that really grabbed me.

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And so I remember my, the rest

of my junior high experience.

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I think he was irritated at me.

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You know, I was not his favorite person

because I wouldn't play or something,

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you know, but I know that feeling.

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Kristian Nairn: I have the feeling

too, you had the coach that was

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a little bit disappointed in you.

455

00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:27,200

Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah.

456

00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:28,940

I'm not interested in this shit, dude.

457

00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:30,880

Honestly, don't interest him.

458

00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,420

Marc Preston: So when did the

DJing come into your life?

459

00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:36,599

When did you sit down and start mixing?

460

00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,609

Was it something that you had heard

and like, how do they do that?

461

00:20:39,609 --> 00:20:41,870

Or was it just, or did you

just kind of fall into it?

462

00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,620

Kristian Nairn: I was simply a club kid

and I was working, as I say, in drag.

463

00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:49,340

Someone, did he show up for a

shift one night and I learned

464

00:20:49,340 --> 00:20:50,690

how to do it in music college.

465

00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:51,830

I fell in for him.

466

00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:54,020

And the rest was history.

467

00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,300

Um, it just worked.

468

00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:58,080

It worked really well.

469

00:20:58,430 --> 00:21:03,679

I was the kid who, when I was in, I'd been

a big heavy metal fan all my life as well.

470

00:21:03,910 --> 00:21:06,960

And I would bring my friends to

my bedroom and I'd be listening

471

00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,050

to a guitar solo and I was so

keen to share things that I loved.

472

00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,870

I'd be like, look, let's

listen to this part.

473

00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:16,210

And I'd let out my friend, welcome

the musician, and they'd be going, uh.

474

00:21:17,205 --> 00:21:20,875

Uh, yeah, whatever, but I was

so excited for me being a DJ.

475

00:21:20,885 --> 00:21:21,635

That's the same thing.

476

00:21:21,645 --> 00:21:23,325

It was like sharing the

things I love with people.

477

00:21:24,764 --> 00:21:26,424

That's why I feel so good about it.

478

00:21:26,505 --> 00:21:28,314

Uh, I love the crowds going really well.

479

00:21:28,315 --> 00:21:29,225

You'll get that all back.

480

00:21:30,505 --> 00:21:31,875

Yeah, the energy gets returned to you.

481

00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:33,285

And I love, I love that.

482

00:21:34,484 --> 00:21:37,305

Um, actually I don't do as much

as I used to because things are

483

00:21:37,305 --> 00:21:38,915

slightly different now since COVID.

484

00:21:39,615 --> 00:21:41,655

Um, I used to be a DJ four times a week.

485

00:21:41,905 --> 00:21:42,595

Uh, really?

486

00:21:42,774 --> 00:21:43,155

Yeah.

487

00:21:43,195 --> 00:21:43,635

Yeah.

488

00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:46,955

All over the world, but

it's not coming back again,

489

00:21:47,085 --> 00:21:48,855

Marc Preston: but I really miss it.

490

00:21:49,459 --> 00:21:51,769

See, that to me seems like the

exciting thing, being able to

491

00:21:51,769 --> 00:21:53,970

travel to the different festivals.

492

00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:55,959

Like, I've always wanted

to go to, uh, like Ibiza in

493

00:21:55,959 --> 00:21:57,690

Spain, uh, and check that out.

494

00:21:57,690 --> 00:22:00,379

Like, there's, uh, cause I like

the ballet art trance stuff.

495

00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,959

I like, or like, uh, there's a guy

named DJ Shaw, or, uh, uh, oh God,

496

00:22:03,999 --> 00:22:05,869

uh, Roger Shaw, I think it's his name.

497

00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:08,899

But just kind of that vibe,

everybody's there to have a good

498

00:22:08,899 --> 00:22:10,729

time, they're all into that thing.

499

00:22:11,215 --> 00:22:12,825

And it's, you're just

kind of vibing on it.

500

00:22:12,825 --> 00:22:13,445

To me, that'd be kind of fun.

501

00:22:13,445 --> 00:22:14,105

I'm a little old.

502

00:22:14,105 --> 00:22:17,405

I get, well, I'm not old, but I'm kind

of at that point of going, fuck it.

503

00:22:17,485 --> 00:22:18,735

I'm just going to do

whatever I want to do.

504

00:22:18,765 --> 00:22:20,095

I'm like, I'm going to go check it out.

505

00:22:20,335 --> 00:22:21,205

You know, I'll bring them.

506

00:22:21,225 --> 00:22:23,064

I'm sure some of my kids

will go along with me.

507

00:22:23,064 --> 00:22:25,194

You're like, Oh yeah, the old

guy, you know, you just, he's

508

00:22:25,194 --> 00:22:26,354

got some issue apparently.

509

00:22:26,644 --> 00:22:29,404

But no, I think that'd be a blast

to, to travel around the world.

510

00:22:29,414 --> 00:22:29,914

DJ.

511

00:22:30,155 --> 00:22:32,915

Kristian Nairn: Basically is that people

who've gone there for years will tell

512

00:22:32,915 --> 00:22:34,175

you it's not as good as it used to be.

513

00:22:34,175 --> 00:22:35,425

I don't have that experience.

514

00:22:35,515 --> 00:22:36,265

I don't know that.

515

00:22:36,715 --> 00:22:38,455

But I've played there

two or three times now.

516

00:22:38,455 --> 00:22:38,485

And.

517

00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,010

They were memorable, memorable

nights, and there was a vibe in

518

00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:45,210

the air, you could almost smell it.

519

00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:47,110

Sure, something that you

could smell for sure, yeah.

520

00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:48,829

Let's see what those clubs involved.

521

00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:51,560

You can almost feel it in the

air in a bit, you have this

522

00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:53,600

vibe of partying and just low.

523

00:22:53,869 --> 00:22:55,009

It doesn't matter what age you are, man.

524

00:22:56,065 --> 00:22:58,825

Marc Preston: Yeah, that's kind of

like that movie that XOXO that Netflix

525

00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:02,915

put out that it just seemed like it

was trying to capture a little nugget

526

00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:06,375

of what that experience is like, you

know, people who are gonna, uh, fly

527

00:23:06,375 --> 00:23:09,044

in their own freak flag for lack of a

better way of putting it, you know, and

528

00:23:09,044 --> 00:23:10,945

do it proudly, which is pretty cool.

529

00:23:11,044 --> 00:23:11,974

Um, a great

530

00:23:11,974 --> 00:23:16,135

Kristian Nairn: few of us, the club

kids, club ornament as well, the door

531

00:23:16,135 --> 00:23:20,955

whores, you know, clubs were a haven for

that and that's what I love the most.

532

00:23:21,575 --> 00:23:21,995

I feel like I'm

533

00:23:21,995 --> 00:23:23,534

Marc Preston: getting an

education here at Door Whores.

534

00:23:23,625 --> 00:23:24,955

I have been licensed over the years.

535

00:23:25,675 --> 00:23:29,034

Going to the Game of Thrones and

then, you know, our, our flag means,

536

00:23:29,064 --> 00:23:30,495

I haven't seen our flag means death.

537

00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:33,184

It's, it is on the, it

is on the list as well.

538

00:23:33,564 --> 00:23:38,275

Is there a genre, is there a kind of, uh,

be it a project, be it actors or something

539

00:23:38,275 --> 00:23:41,804

now, uh, that you would like to get into,

that you would like to do, a movie, a

540

00:23:41,804 --> 00:23:46,314

show, you know, so there is something

that you would like to tap into creatively

541

00:23:46,314 --> 00:23:47,624

on camera that you haven't done yet.

542

00:23:48,090 --> 00:23:48,610

Kristian Nairn: Really?

543

00:23:48,909 --> 00:23:50,490

I just live for the next project.

544

00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:54,130

And I know it sounds like a bit of

a cop out, but I really do love the

545

00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:56,960

variation and my, and my career.

546

00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:59,639

So whatever's left is what

I'm looking forward to.

547

00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:01,989

Um, I have no doubts.

548

00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:04,939

Well, there'll be something

cool coming because I

549

00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:05,747

Marc Preston: Time to be a surfer.

550

00:24:05,747 --> 00:24:07,929

You're not really sure what waves

coming in, but you're ready to surf.

551

00:24:08,629 --> 00:24:10,290

Kristian Nairn: I can react to the waves.

552

00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,409

Um, you know, I know the

ocean, I know the sea.

553

00:24:13,775 --> 00:24:16,465

So I can, I think I can react

accordingly, but I don't have any plans.

554

00:24:16,505 --> 00:24:20,675

Uh, I've never planned as if you read

the book, you'll probably be very aware.

555

00:24:21,055 --> 00:24:22,785

Um, there were never any concrete plans.

556

00:24:22,855 --> 00:24:24,435

I don't really intend to make any.

557

00:24:24,855 --> 00:24:25,145

So,

558

00:24:25,805 --> 00:24:29,095

Marc Preston: I think there was something

to be said for improv, you know, that's

559

00:24:29,364 --> 00:24:30,744

just improv ing your way through it.

560

00:24:30,765 --> 00:24:33,935

Uh, and I'm trying to remember, even I

did a little bit of cursory, just kind of

561

00:24:33,935 --> 00:24:39,185

looking through that you did, uh, um, uh,

my kids is our like show we all watch.

562

00:24:39,195 --> 00:24:40,584

It's, uh, uh, the rookie.

563

00:24:40,775 --> 00:24:42,585

Uh, Okay.

564

00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:42,705

Yeah.

565

00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:43,390

Okay.

566

00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:44,500

I'm trying to remember the episode.

567

00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:49,450

Was that the episode where, uh, uh,

uh, Eric Winter had to fight you,

568

00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:50,920

I think, or something like that?

569

00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:52,780

Was, am I thinking of the right episode or

570

00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:57,140

Kristian Nairn: No, I was, uh, a guy who'd

been assaulted actually, uh, as a gay man.

571

00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:58,940

Um, he was having a shot.

572

00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:01,250

He, he didn't like the outside.

573

00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:02,209

He was terrified to white.

574

00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,890

Marc Preston: Oh, okay.

575

00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:05,200

Okay.

576

00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,480

Okay.

577

00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:05,760

Yeah.

578

00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:05,900

Yeah.

579

00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:06,070

Yeah.

580

00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,490

Okay.

581

00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:06,960

I gotcha.

582

00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:09,740

I was trying to remember, uh,

cause I know it was one episode.

583

00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:12,329

I was like, okay, I know the kids

and I've seen every episode and I

584

00:25:12,329 --> 00:25:15,180

was trying to think of what, uh,

I do, I do remember that episode.

585

00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:19,240

Now beyond the throne, did you have

any epiphanies writing the book that

586

00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:22,020

G ever write and go, Oh, I didn't

really kind of put this together

587

00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:25,220

until now, you know, sitting down,

put my life notes in front of me.

588

00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:28,760

Did some, was there an epiphany

about your, Growing up or

589

00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:30,030

anything, the whole book

590

00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:30,780

Kristian Nairn: was an epiphany.

591

00:25:31,139 --> 00:25:32,470

Everything's been an epiphany to me.

592

00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:35,810

I didn't ever expect to be

writing a book about my life.

593

00:25:35,899 --> 00:25:39,819

Um, that itself was an epiphany.

594

00:25:40,699 --> 00:25:44,320

But even during these interviews,

I've had some epiphanies.

595

00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,659

Cause what's your number?

596

00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:50,240

It's not, it's just, you know, obviously

you're reading off a page or whatever.

597

00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,870

It's whatever, but while I talk

about my life, I'm always breaking

598

00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:56,070

it down every time as well.

599

00:25:56,070 --> 00:26:01,040

So I'm literally having moments to

myself and every interview also.

600

00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:02,959

So there's hunger zoom in the book.

601

00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:07,955

Um, and that has been a process and

it really has, and I feel better now.

602

00:26:07,955 --> 00:26:11,600

I feel like it has cleansed me a little.

603

00:26:12,625 --> 00:26:12,995

Yeah,

604

00:26:12,995 --> 00:26:16,665

Marc Preston: you kind of, you got to

put it out there and then you look at

605

00:26:16,665 --> 00:26:19,855

it from different angles and you kind

of process it and you realize, you know,

606

00:26:19,955 --> 00:26:22,475

especially if you're kind of like of

that mentality, you know, you got to keep

607

00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:25,105

moving forward, you know, past is past.

608

00:26:25,725 --> 00:26:27,544

Sometimes you compartmentalize it.

609

00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:29,244

You don't really have a chance

to kind of work through it.

610

00:26:29,244 --> 00:26:34,095

And I imagine writing a book forces you

to kind of work through understanding

611

00:26:34,095 --> 00:26:35,784

more about yourself at the very assuming.

612

00:26:36,139 --> 00:26:38,120

Kristian Nairn: But yeah, also, I'm

not ashamed of people that know me.

613

00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:41,969

I haven't always made all the

best decisions, and I don't

614

00:26:41,969 --> 00:26:42,689

know if I would change them.

615

00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:44,719

I'm not ashamed of it.

616

00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:48,139

I'm not ashamed of anything I've

done, and anything I need to explain.

617

00:26:48,749 --> 00:26:55,070

Um, A, I don't do explaining, but if I

had to, I could split, um, even the wrong

618

00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:55,649

Marc Preston: decisions.

619

00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:58,740

Well, is there any takeaway that you

would like, you know, someone like

620

00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:03,270

yourself with your upbringing or with

your, your life experience, you know,

621

00:27:03,270 --> 00:27:06,660

if you could reach somebody with a

book, who would that be and kind of what

622

00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,340

would you want their takeaway to be?

623

00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:12,810

You know, if you could kind of influence

or, uh, motivator, whatever you wanna

624

00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:16,159

call it, or make somebody feel better

about a moment in life, you know, what

625

00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:19,929

would you like, who would you like to

talk to with, uh, uh, with this book?

626

00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:21,100

I wanna talk to the people

627

00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,960

Kristian Nairn: who like

me when I was younger.

628

00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,930

The life is full of people

telling you who you are.

629

00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,740

Um, and who they want you

to be and who you should be.

630

00:27:29,530 --> 00:27:32,879

Um, but there's only one,

there's only one person that

631

00:27:32,879 --> 00:27:34,740

matters and that's you, yourself.

632

00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,110

Um, as long as you're happy with yourself,

um, don't let anybody else influence

633

00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:41,629

you, who you are and what you love.

634

00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:45,800

Um, cause that is not a recipe

for success and happiness.

635

00:27:46,379 --> 00:27:50,450

Um, and it will come out in

horrible, negative ways in your life.

636

00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,670

Even if the person who, even if the

people who are trying to influence you are

637

00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,630

thinking they're doing it for the best.

638

00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,560

It's just toxic and unhealthy to

be anyone but who you truly are.

639

00:27:59,389 --> 00:28:02,629

If I can help someone get there

faster, uh, maybe through my own

640

00:28:02,629 --> 00:28:05,100

example, I'd be a happy, I'd be a happy

641

00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:05,310

Marc Preston: boy.

642

00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:06,500

That's awesome.

643

00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:07,149

I like that.

644

00:28:07,149 --> 00:28:11,310

And that's, uh, I heard something,

uh, a quote once I said, uh, they

645

00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:13,860

didn't really know necessarily the

secret to success, but they knew

646

00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:16,600

the secret to failure, trying to

make everybody happy all the time.

647

00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,919

Well, before we get going, I got

something I call my seven questions.

648

00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:29,220

I always like to throw it out at the kind

of the end of our little chats here, uh,

649

00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:30,560

cause a little extra get to know you.

650

00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:35,380

First question I got is what

is your favorite comfort food?

651

00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:38,780

That thing that just like, it just

makes you feel good at a bad day.

652

00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,090

You want it at a great day.

653

00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:41,680

You want it to, what

would that be for you?

654

00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,040

There's

655

00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,410

Kristian Nairn: a shameful answer to this.

656

00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,549

And, um, I wouldn't have to reach

my arm very far to prove it.

657

00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:47,669

Uh, probably

658

00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:48,449

Marc Preston: McDonald's.

659

00:28:48,749 --> 00:28:49,489

Uh, that's okay.

660

00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:51,210

My, my youngest daughter, Emma traveled.

661

00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520

She's she over the summer or she, she

studied in Spain and she went back.

662

00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,120

She met a friend.

663

00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,980

She went back to Italy.

664

00:28:56,405 --> 00:28:59,675

She, she has a thing for trying McDonald's

in every country, you know, in Portugal.

665

00:29:00,034 --> 00:29:00,364

Why?

666

00:29:00,514 --> 00:29:03,534

Yeah, I, I, I tried McDonald's

in every goddamn country.

667

00:29:03,715 --> 00:29:06,495

Well, it's probably healthier if you can

say that in other countries besides the U.

668

00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:06,604

S.

669

00:29:06,635 --> 00:29:09,074

because they can't put all that,

all the same junk in it that,

670

00:29:09,074 --> 00:29:09,844

you know, that they do here.

671

00:29:09,844 --> 00:29:11,705

But, um, I got played

with death in that one.

672

00:29:11,854 --> 00:29:12,414

Well, there you go.

673

00:29:12,415 --> 00:29:13,814

So, hey, you know, McDonald's.

674

00:29:13,874 --> 00:29:14,915

Happy meals as a kid.

675

00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:15,655

That was my thing.

676

00:29:15,804 --> 00:29:18,874

Um, now, if you were to sit down with

three people and have a cup of coffee,

677

00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:23,415

uh, talk story for a few hours, living

or not, who would those three people be

678

00:29:23,415 --> 00:29:25,245

you would like to sit down and chat with?

679

00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:26,885

And that's a huge

680

00:29:26,895 --> 00:29:27,495

Kristian Nairn: question.

681

00:29:28,145 --> 00:29:30,465

I would like to sit down with Tina Turner.

682

00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:34,685

That's someone that I've always really

loved to have met and admired greatly.

683

00:29:34,805 --> 00:29:36,025

First concert I ever went to.

684

00:29:36,194 --> 00:29:39,046

Uh, well, yeah, Tina Turner is my hero.

685

00:29:39,046 --> 00:29:42,392

Um, maybe I'd like to meet Gary Oldman.

686

00:29:42,392 --> 00:29:43,228

Oh yeah.

687

00:29:43,228 --> 00:29:47,265

Just to thank him for being one of the

best actors in the world and bringing

688

00:29:47,265 --> 00:29:48,545

some of my favorite characters to life.

689

00:29:48,615 --> 00:29:49,205

Such a community.

690

00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:50,825

Oh yeah.

691

00:29:50,975 --> 00:29:51,255

Yeah.

692

00:29:51,255 --> 00:29:52,985

He's someone that I really look up to.

693

00:29:53,695 --> 00:29:54,245

Um,

694

00:29:55,165 --> 00:29:56,415

Marc Preston: I don't know if that's

your last name is Bill Murray.

695

00:29:56,565 --> 00:29:58,405

That's one of my favorite

tables to sit at.

696

00:29:58,405 --> 00:30:01,425

The one you just laid out here

is like, somehow that's perfect.

697

00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:01,865

I don't know.

698

00:30:01,875 --> 00:30:04,505

That's just like, I haven't heard

somebody put that combination together.

699

00:30:04,525 --> 00:30:05,415

I like that.

700

00:30:05,415 --> 00:30:06,155

Bill Murray is just.

701

00:30:06,295 --> 00:30:06,775

The role model for

702

00:30:06,935 --> 00:30:10,645

Kristian Nairn: Samuel reared me, but

the way you asked that question, it's

703

00:30:10,645 --> 00:30:13,925

weird that they're all males because

I, as I normally say, my heroes are

704

00:30:13,925 --> 00:30:16,995

all, they're all Samuel role models,

but that's interesting because that's a

705

00:30:16,995 --> 00:30:18,044

Marc Preston: slightly

different way to look at it.

706

00:30:18,265 --> 00:30:22,255

Next question, uh, when you were young,

who was your first celebrity crush?

707

00:30:22,615 --> 00:30:23,435

Luke Skywalker.

708

00:30:23,785 --> 00:30:24,845

You don't have to answer that.

709

00:30:25,005 --> 00:30:25,765

I'm loving this.

710

00:30:25,765 --> 00:30:27,245

You're giving me things

I haven't heard before.

711

00:30:27,245 --> 00:30:28,075

Luke Skywalker.

712

00:30:28,185 --> 00:30:28,915

That is awesome.

713

00:30:28,915 --> 00:30:29,895

I'm going to remember that forever.

714

00:30:29,945 --> 00:30:30,125

Number chips.

715

00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:35,145

Eric Estrada, or, oh, no, no, no.

716

00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,180

Or, or is it John?

717

00:30:37,175 --> 00:30:37,465

John?

718

00:30:37,605 --> 00:30:39,180

It was John, uh, the blonde guy.

719

00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:39,330

Yeah.

720

00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:39,900

Yep, yep, yep.

721

00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,770

Well, now we know your title.

722

00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:42,145

That was my childhood type.

723

00:30:42,175 --> 00:30:43,265

That was a childhood type.

724

00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:44,160

Very good for you.

725

00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,210

Well, now next question.

726

00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:47,990

Now, if you're gonna be living on an

exotic island, uh, you somewhere, it's

727

00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:51,110

like a resort somewhere you want to be,

but there's no internet, no streaming.

728

00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:52,550

You're gonna be there a year.

729

00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:54,350

You gotta bring one album with you.

730

00:30:54,975 --> 00:30:58,225

And one DVD or one movie that you

can, that you're comfortable just

731

00:30:58,225 --> 00:30:59,955

watching and listening to all year.

732

00:31:00,165 --> 00:31:01,435

What would that album be?

733

00:31:01,545 --> 00:31:03,775

What would that, uh, would that DVD be?

734

00:31:04,075 --> 00:31:06,415

Kristian Nairn: The album would

either be a little easier for me

735

00:31:06,455 --> 00:31:08,195

because music questions are easier.

736

00:31:08,465 --> 00:31:11,165

I would either be the Tron

soundtrack from Daft Punk.

737

00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:12,765

Oh yeah.

738

00:31:12,985 --> 00:31:13,895

Which is amazing.

739

00:31:14,255 --> 00:31:16,825

Or Sonic Temple by The Cult.

740

00:31:17,095 --> 00:31:20,045

That's been my favorite

rock album for many years.

741

00:31:20,265 --> 00:31:23,195

So those are the albums I know I

picked two, but yeah, whatever.

742

00:31:23,445 --> 00:31:23,875

Sue me.

743

00:31:24,355 --> 00:31:25,940

Um, And what was the other one?

744

00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:28,700

It was, uh, what would,

what would the movie be?

745

00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:29,030

Yeah.

746

00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,900

Well, my go to TV show is Frazier,

but where did my go to movies?

747

00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:34,550

Probably Tron to get me to sleep.

748

00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:36,050

Uh, that's why I go to Sleep movie.

749

00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:39,440

I mean, I, the, the soundtrack

really, it, it calms me, but, uh,

750

00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:41,740

lost in translation, possibly.

751

00:31:42,315 --> 00:31:44,565

Marc Preston: Oh, I just told

somebody about that the other day.

752

00:31:44,565 --> 00:31:47,575

That is one of my favorite all time,

but that's one of those movies.

753

00:31:47,645 --> 00:31:49,285

If I see it on TV, I'm watching it.

754

00:31:49,345 --> 00:31:51,025

You know, it's just such a great movie.

755

00:31:51,025 --> 00:31:51,665

So well done.

756

00:31:51,785 --> 00:31:51,925

And

757

00:31:51,965 --> 00:31:54,985

Kristian Nairn: to me, it really

represents being in a strange city,

758

00:31:55,185 --> 00:31:56,495

not really knowing where you are.

759

00:31:56,515 --> 00:32:00,065

Uh, it's just all that weird,

but you're in a privileged

760

00:32:00,065 --> 00:32:02,025

situation, you know, you have to,

761

00:32:02,305 --> 00:32:03,665

Marc Preston: you have

to do your work as well.

762

00:32:03,945 --> 00:32:07,995

And you find your people in the most

random ways sometimes, you know, if

763

00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:11,225

you were to define next question,

uh, your definition of a perfect day,

764

00:32:11,405 --> 00:32:14,395

you know, what would the component

parts be from the time you get up

765

00:32:14,585 --> 00:32:16,135

to tell the time you went to sleep?

766

00:32:16,465 --> 00:32:19,635

What would some of those component parts

be to say, this has been a good day?

767

00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:20,345

Kristian Nairn: Okay.

768

00:32:20,345 --> 00:32:21,715

I probably start off on the beach.

769

00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:23,255

I love the sea.

770

00:32:23,585 --> 00:32:24,555

I love the beach.

771

00:32:24,825 --> 00:32:26,365

That would be the last outdoor adventure.

772

00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:30,030

I'll probably go home and boot up World

of Warcraft for an hour, only because

773

00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:31,880

it's a special day, only for an hour.

774

00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:35,670

Getting to chill with my friends

and just hanging out and having a

775

00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:37,400

laugh and forgetting about work.

776

00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:38,790

That's a, that's a good day.

777

00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:40,490

I'm a little ADHD.

778

00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:42,570

I find it hard to focus sometimes.

779

00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,930

And so finding things

that just let me relax.

780

00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:46,220

I love to craft stuff.

781

00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:47,800

I've recently got into crafting a lot.

782

00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:51,240

So, uh, I'm customizing trailers.

783

00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,200

I don't know what's happening to me.

784

00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:53,720

I'm turning into like a, a one man Etsy.

785

00:32:54,235 --> 00:32:57,935

Uh, but I find that really helps me

at ESD, uh, it's just calms the mind.

786

00:32:58,785 --> 00:32:59,885

Uh, and that's what I do it for.

787

00:32:59,905 --> 00:33:04,485

I'm not looking to set up an empire

here, but, uh, yeah, some crafting, a

788

00:33:04,485 --> 00:33:06,885

beach, some Warcraft and my friends.

789

00:33:07,155 --> 00:33:07,845

That's perfect.

790

00:33:07,855 --> 00:33:08,065

That's

791

00:33:08,075 --> 00:33:08,375

Marc Preston: perfect.

792

00:33:08,395 --> 00:33:11,735

Now, last couple of questions is if you

weren't doing this for a living, what

793

00:33:11,735 --> 00:33:15,845

else could you be doing that would you

derive joy from that would be your jam?

794

00:33:15,995 --> 00:33:17,715

What else would you be doing besides this?

795

00:33:18,475 --> 00:33:20,815

Kristian Nairn: Well, I was training

to be a sign language interpreter

796

00:33:20,855 --> 00:33:22,575

before this, and I really loved it.

797

00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,940

Um, I was, I also was studying,

uh, as a counselor, so I was

798

00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:28,140

aiming myself to be that guy.

799

00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:31,200

I'm a therapist for, um,

hearing impaired people.

800

00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,510

I love that.

801

00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,720

I, I love, I love the

science of helping people.

802

00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,650

It's interesting to me and how, you

know, I'm willing to help other people.

803

00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:40,900

You usually end up

804

00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,430

Marc Preston: helping yourself as well.

805

00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:44,080

I always want to learn

sign language as well.

806

00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640

The high school I went to was the,

in our district was the place a lot

807

00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,750

of the hearing impaired kids went to.

808

00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:50,330

So we had an interpreter

in front of class.

809

00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:53,530

And I was always trying to figure out if I

could like interpret what they were doing.

810

00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:57,615

But, uh, now the last question I got

for you, If you were to jump into that

811

00:33:57,615 --> 00:34:01,425

DeLorean and you're going to be going

back to have a moment with 16 year

812

00:34:01,425 --> 00:34:05,295

old you, you got a piece of advice to

pass along to make that moment, either

813

00:34:05,295 --> 00:34:07,975

that moment better or set yourself

on a little bit different path.

814

00:34:08,095 --> 00:34:10,335

What would your advice

to 16 year old you be?

815

00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:10,970

I

816

00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:13,700

Kristian Nairn: would, I would actually

grab myself by the face, I would, I

817

00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:18,500

would grab myself and stare into my eyes

and just go, trust yourself, just trust

818

00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:23,351

yourself, and don't let anyone else, don't

believe, or don't go for what anyone else

819

00:34:23,351 --> 00:34:25,574

wants you to do, just believe in yourself.

820

00:34:25,574 --> 00:34:26,963

It took me a very

821

00:34:26,963 --> 00:34:27,519

Marc Preston: long time.

822

00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,215

My friend, I appreciate you

taking time out to talk to me.

823

00:34:30,215 --> 00:34:31,435

This has been wonderful.

824

00:34:31,475 --> 00:34:32,785

Uh, I really appreciate it.

825

00:34:32,865 --> 00:34:36,525

And of course, uh, beyond the throne,

looking forward to checking that out.

826

00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:38,855

A great story just from

what you've told me.

827

00:34:38,855 --> 00:34:41,775

And, uh, I'm going to be, we

should check in at some point in

828

00:34:41,775 --> 00:34:44,675

time down the line after I've seen

all of games at game of thrones.

829

00:34:45,035 --> 00:34:50,215

And I'll compare some notes, but, uh, my

friend, have yourself a, uh, a wonderful

830

00:34:50,225 --> 00:34:53,545

rest of your week, and hopefully we'll

have a chance to check in down the line.

831

00:34:53,545 --> 00:34:54,635

My friend, I hope so.

832

00:34:54,695 --> 00:34:55,935

I have a really great day, my friend.

833

00:34:55,955 --> 00:34:57,075

I really appreciate this.

834

00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:00,485

Well, there you go.

835

00:35:00,605 --> 00:35:04,535

Kristian Nairn really enjoyed the

opportunity to sit down with him.

836

00:35:04,835 --> 00:35:06,615

Of course, the new memoir.

837

00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:07,690

It is out right now.

838

00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:12,270

It is called beyond the throne

recounting an intriguing journey.

839

00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:15,080

Cool guy, again, a game of thrones.

840

00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:15,940

You can check him out.

841

00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:21,160

HBO also, uh, our flag

means death HBO as well.

842

00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,280

And max, but really enjoyed the

opportunity to sit down with Kristian,

843

00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,590

grab the book, uh, and of course,

pop on over to story and craft.

844

00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:30,290

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845

00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:33,730

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846

00:35:33,790 --> 00:35:38,860

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847

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849

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858

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859

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860

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Thank you so much.

861

00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,265

Appreciate it.

862

00:36:19,295 --> 00:36:22,065

Uh, I'm going to get on out of

here, get this, uh, Very well

863

00:36:22,065 --> 00:36:26,115

behaved golden retriever, uh, puppy

who, uh, I'm actually surprised.

864

00:36:26,115 --> 00:36:27,565

He's so chill right now under me.

865

00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:29,515

I'm going to get him

outside a little treat.

866

00:36:29,925 --> 00:36:30,375

Oh my God.

867

00:36:30,375 --> 00:36:31,225

I said the T word.

868

00:36:31,375 --> 00:36:32,255

I got his attention now.

869

00:36:32,635 --> 00:36:33,835

All right, let me get on out of here.

870

00:36:33,835 --> 00:36:37,575

I'm going to check you next time,

right here on story and craft.

871

00:36:37,875 --> 00:36:40,415

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872

00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:45,095

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874

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