Dimitri Leonidas | A Charioteer's Journey

He called me and he said, uh, well, I'm, I'm short staff here.

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I need someone to come in and, you

know, help unload these containers.

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Can't you just tell him you nip over

for a bit and let me just check in

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with Apple, dad, if they don't mind

putting the whole shoot on hold.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story Craft.

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Now, here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: All right, here we

are, another episode of Story Craft.

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part of great chats kind of like today.

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Featuring the very talented

actor, Dimitri Leonidas.

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He's in the new series

called Those About to Die.

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It's a Roland Emmerich series on Peacock

with the very talented Anthony Hopkins.

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And Dimitri, you probably know him

from shows kind of like, uh, Foundation

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on Apple plus he plays Hober Mallow.

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One of my favorite shows over the

last couple of years, uh, really

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enjoyed the chat with Dimitri.

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We covered his experience from

being a child actor all the

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way up to Those About to Die.

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Alright, let's get after it.

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Uh, today, Dmitri Leon Day,

right here on Story and Craft.

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How are you doing today, Dmitri?

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Dimitri Leonidas: I'm great.

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I'm really well.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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How are you now?

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I'm doing wonderful.

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Marc Preston: Just so I know

how to say, is it Leonidas?

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Ah, very good.

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Very good.

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Great.

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I mean, my dad always sort of

despairs because people say Leonidas.

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I think the film 300, um, had a big

influence on how people were saying it.

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And, uh, it was, uh, quite annoying to

him when we'd do interviews or something

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and he'd watch it and they'd say Leonidas.

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Um, and he was always like,

why don't you correct them?

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I thought I just, because it's certain

things you've got to just leave that.

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Um, but yeah, yeah.

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Leonidas.

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You're in the UK right now, correct?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm in London.

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Yeah.

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And we've, we've just started our summer.

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It's been a really late one, but most

of June was shocking amounts of rain and

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gray sky, and, uh, it's finally broken.

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And now, you know, London is, is,

it's just the best when the sun's out.

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It's, uh.

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It transforms the city.

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Um, so yeah, great.

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It's, it's, it's really

nice here right now.

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Marc Preston: Now is your

family with Leonidas?

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I'm assuming it's a, it's a Greek descent.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Cypriot from, from, uh, from Cyprus.

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My dad was, was born in Cyprus and

he moved to London when he was young,

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you know, four or five years old, his,

his parents moved over here, um, with

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his, you know, brothers and sisters.

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His parents eventually moved back.

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They've both passed away now, but,

um, they moved back to Cyprus,

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uh, you know, after they retired.

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And, um, and him and his

brothers and sisters all stayed

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here and raised families here.

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So, uh, yeah, yeah.

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Cypriot heritage.

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And then I sometimes wonder why, you

know, cause Cyprus is like a paradise.

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And I think, why did you come here?

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We, you could be on the beach, but,

uh, you know, London is a lot more

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opportunities, especially when he

moved in, in the seventies, you know,

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Marc Preston: what kind of work did,

uh, what, what was his vocation?

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Dimitri Leonidas: So, uh, when he was a

younger man, my dad was an electrician.

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Um, and he then went

into, uh, fruit and veg.

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He was, he was a green grocer and

then more wholesale fruit and veg.

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So he was sort of delivering,

um, fresh fruit and vegetables

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to restaurants around London.

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And that grew a little more into

disposable goods, serviettes, you

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know, plates, cups, um, soft drinks.

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And, uh, and that is his

little sort of empire.

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He's still, he's still working.

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He's got a warehouse in, in Wembley,

sort of the industrial park in Wembley.

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And, uh, sometimes when I'm,

you know, if I'm not working,

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I'll go and give him a hand.

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He'll, he'll give me a sort of

call on a random, you know, day in

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the week and, and, uh, asked me to

go and help unload some shipping

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containers or something that's come in.

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So

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Marc Preston: you, so you're

basically discount labor for him.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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I mean, the funniest, the funniest

one was I was in Ireland filming

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foundation and, uh, He called me

and he said, uh, where are you?

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Where are you?

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I said, I'm, I'm in, I'm in

Ireland that I'm, I'm filming.

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And he, he was like, Oh, I said,

why is everything all right?

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Well, I, well, I'm, I'm short staff here.

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I need someone to come in and,

you know, help unload these

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containers on Monday and Tuesday.

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I said, well, I'm, I can't.

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I'm in Ireland, dad.

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Can't you just tell him you nip over

for a bit and let me just check in with

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Apple dad if they don't mind putting the

whole shoot on hold for a few days so I

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can go and unload the container for you.

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Um, all right, well, don't worry about it.

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And then, you know, you know,

we, uh, we got off the phone,

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but no, he's, he's funny.

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You know, he's funny.

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Did

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Marc Preston: they shoot all of the

foundation in Ireland or just the,

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the, uh, the parts you were in?

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Dimitri Leonidas: It was actually

just two weeks in Ireland and

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then, um, two weeks in Ireland.

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And then, uh, we were in Tenerife

for, I think, five or six weeks.

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Um, and then we sort of bounced around

the other Canary Islands, Port Aventura.

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And, um, like America, I had no idea they

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Marc Preston: had such a, uh,

well, I can make a somewhat exotic

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location, you know, shooting.

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It's not like they were in Atlanta,

Georgia or something, or there, you know,

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when you got that project, did you kind

of like go, well, what exactly is this?

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You know, it's based off a book, right?

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The, uh, Asimov, Isaac Asimov.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I was aware, aware of the book.

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I I'd read some of those

sort of sixties sci fi.

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Um, books in the past,

you know, like Philip K.

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Bick and, um, some Ray Bradbury.

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And, and I was into that stuff.

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I'd never really read any Asimov.

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Um, so I did read the foundation series

in preparation for this, for the show.

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And was.

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Totally blown away by them.

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I mean, the story is that Elon

Musk, you know, when he sent that

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Tesla into space, I think there's

still a Tesla orbiting earth.

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He put a copy of foundation

in the glove box.

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Marc Preston: Really?

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I didn't know that.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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So there's a copy of foundation

floating in space, which is kind of

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apt given the nature of the show.

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Um, and Asimov was, was, I think

he had done a ton of research

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into the Roman empire and the

collapse of the Roman empire.

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And then.

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Writes a show that is like the

Roman Empire, but in spikes.

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It's the collapse of a,

of a, of a civilization.

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Um, and he pulls a lot of the stories

from how the Roman Empire fell, you

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know, it begins at the sort of the

peripheries and, and, and equally

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something going wrong in the center.

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And, um, and he just mounts

it as a giant space drama.

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Um,

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Marc Preston: you're right.

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That does have a lot of, uh, Roman

empire ask, you know, uh, yeah, you

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know, that's supposed to be a theme that

you're kind of sticking with, I guess.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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I mean, you know, to go and do sort

of Roman empire in space and then do

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the act of Roman empire was like a

sort of Twin, twin stories in a way.

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Marc Preston: Foundation.

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Uh, I didn't know what to expect.

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It's one of those shows I

watched the first episode.

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I was like, I don't really know how

to get my head around this just yet.

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But the more I got into it, it was

just really, you know, enjoyable.

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Dimitri Leonidas: I think, I think

a lot of people have said that.

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I think the books are so dense

and the ideas in them is so vast.

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The scale is so big that I think it's

hard for the first series and those first

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few episodes in the first series to, to.

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Lay down the foundation, so

to speak, of what you're doing

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because the books are so expansive.

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I mean, you turn, you know, you turn a

page and, and Asimov is jumping 150 years.

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And so everything that you've just

read, all this investment that you've

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just made in, in the characters

and in their particular stories.

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actually become just

sort of dust in the wind.

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It's like it's gone.

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You're moving on again.

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And there's some element of that story

that is important to tell you to thread

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into the next timeline 150 years later.

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And so by the time you finish with the

book and you sort of step back, the

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scale of time that Asimov is dealing

with in those stories is, is, is sort

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of quite a breathtaking scale, really.

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Um, and so I think the show in its,

in its, you know, in its early stages,

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did have to kind of and the audience

have to kind of get through some like

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expositional moments where you're going.

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You guys need to know this, this and this.

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And now that you know that we can kind

of go and I think season two hits the

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ground running a little more because

so much stuff has been established

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that you just You can you you kind of

just can can you know run off with that

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Marc Preston: momentum?

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I believe i'm totally caught up.

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Was there a uh, is there another season?

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Dimitri Leonidas: There is a third season

Um that's shooting now in in prague.

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They're finishing up.

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Um Yeah, yeah, I I I will see how

many they go, but yeah, there's,

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there's a third season that's,

that's finishing, you know, wrapping

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shooting, I think in August.

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Yeah.

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Marc Preston: I, I kind of enjoyed

your, uh, I, I did enjoy your character.

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There was a very Han Solo

esque vibe about your, uh,

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character, which I, which I like.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Apparently Hobo Malo is, is

the inspiration for Han Solo.

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Um, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He, he, That's the story

that, um, David Goyer told me.

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And actually, you know, there's

some online threads about that,

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that, that Hobo Mallow is, is the

inspiration for those sort of Han Solo.

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Marc Preston: I'm learning

all kinds of things today.

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I did not know that.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Um, I think foundation

is a, is a sort of, uh, a tectonic

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plate of a, of a story that a lot of

sci fi has, has built on top of, um,

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yeah, it is right at the base of so

much, you know, sci fi post the fifties.

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It's, it's one of those, uh,

Foundational, um, you know, uh, sources.

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Marc Preston: There's one of the,

there's one of the show, the expanse,

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another kind of vibe similar to

that, both featuring Jared Harris.

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Of course, he seems like such an

interesting, he's just an interesting

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guy to watch just one more note

on the foundation, kind of what

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was the filming of that, uh, like

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Dimitri Leonidas: it's, it was incredible.

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I mean, I agree with you about Jared.

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I always think there's sort of part of

me that always thinks whatever he's in.

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I always sort of give the show more credit

knowing that he's in it because he's just

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one of those actors that you go he is

great and anyone anytime someone chooses

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him, I sort of trust them immediately

because He's got some qualities about

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him But when he's cast right you just

can't really imagine anyone else doing

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it and so I had some scenes with him

lovely hard working I mean, he had sort

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of, he's playing the founder of psycho

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Marc Preston: history.

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So he's almost like an AI character

for lack of a better way of putting it.

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He's kind of like a real

person slash AI, you know?

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and has endless amounts of sort of

dialogue to learn, which you watch him

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just sort of turn up and deliver it.

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And it's great every take.

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And, uh, Occasionally he'll sort

of forget a line and all right,

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sorry guys, let's go again.

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And I'm just watching it going, how are

you not, how are you, you know, you're

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doing it once every eight takes is, is,

is a pretty good hit when you're just

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sort of running dialogue like that.

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Um, but, um, but yeah, the show, David

Goya, you know, screenwriter, director,

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producer of the show, um, is, is just

one that has this infectious energy.

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And he's one of those guys that.

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You really appreciate in our industry

because you go he's such a hard working

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individual that it it really boosts,

you know, the reason 500 people turn

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up and from crew and actors and stunts

and everything is because someone

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like him puts in so much legwork

Um, he's producing several things

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at once and writing several things

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Marc Preston: I never understood how some

of those folks do that where they can

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have multiple plates spinning at once I'm

like, okay, it would take up all my energy

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just to think of one, you know Yeah, as

curious is kind of going back Were you an

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only kid or did you have a big family or

kind of kind of where'd you fall in there?

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Dimitri Leonidas: So, um, I've got three

sisters It's the title of a Chekhov plate.

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Um, so I guess I was destined to

be an actor, but, um, yeah, two of

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my sisters act as well, actually.

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Steph, my older sister,

and Georgina, the youngest.

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She was in Harry Potter.

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Oh, really?

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Okay.

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And yeah, yeah, and Steph has done,

you know, loads of sort of cool movies.

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Well, was

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Marc Preston: this part of

your life for your family?

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Was the theater or was acting part

of what you were up to when you

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were, uh, when you were young?

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Or was this something y'all

just all happened into?

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Dimitri Leonidas: It was quite weird.

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My sisters were, were sort of into

like singing and dancing and were

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going to these lessons and, and they

eventually got into acting with,

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I think the dancing stuff stopped

and acting became the next fad.

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And, and so they were going to, it was,

I, when I say sort of classes, it was,

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um, it was a room above a pub in Wembley

and the lady that run the class, you could

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sort of, you know, drop your kids off.

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Um, after school and leave them there

for an hour or two and uh, and the lady

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that run the class would sort of teach,

you know, basic drama skills at that age.

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It was, it was more sort of acting games,

um, sort of improvisation and stuff.

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And I, I didn't really,

I had no interest in it.

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Um, but my mom was sort

of encouraging me to go.

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I think she felt quite bad that I was just

sort of hanging around the back of his

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pub, kicking a ball around for an hour

and a half while my sisters were doing,

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you know, their These drama classes.

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So I eventually went to one of them

and, and it just, it just clicked.

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I loved it.

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Um, I found I had a confidence doing

sort of improvisation, um, that I

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didn't know where that came from.

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It just, it just was something I really

enjoyed and, uh, used to think about.

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It was only once a week after school on

a Thursday and I'd spend the rest of the

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week sort of wondering, Oh, what would

happen, what's going to happen next week?

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You know, the, this excitement of.

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The spontaneity of improvising and,

and, um, This sort of stored energy that

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you have as a kid suddenly all clicking

and just requiring you to, to, to

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Marc Preston: work.

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Well, kids all, you know, all kids

have that sense of play already kind

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of built in, you know, it's an avenue.

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Well, you said this was taking place,

uh, in a, in the back of a pub, you say?

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah, it was,

uh, initially it was just a

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room above a pub in Wembley.

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Um, and as, as the sort of years

passed, They found slightly more, I

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guess, appropriate venues to host.

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I was about

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Marc Preston: to say, that's gotta

be really interesting given the,

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uh, uh, things that happen at a pub,

you know, to be able to have a lot

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of, it's quite festive, you know?

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Yeah.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Marc Preston: No.

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When you were in school, were you, uh,

was this, was this kind of like your

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outlet or were you also doing like sports

or other kinds of activities as a kid?

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Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah, I guess I w I

wouldn't say I was the sportiest kid.

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I mean, I played football and, and,

uh, Um, you know, I, I, the, the

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acting thing kind of, I had a few

jobs when I was a teenager, but I

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never really wanted my friends at

school to know about it too much.

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It was one of those things that

was more a reason that you might,

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you know, get picked on or, um,

it just wasn't something that I, I

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wanted people necessarily to know.

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Um, and then obviously I was away

for sort of six, seven weeks.

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There was a TV show I

did called Grange Hill.

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Which is a, um, a school show.

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It's a, it's a, it's about a high school.

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It's very well known in the UK cause it

was a sort of working class high school

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show, um, that had been running for when

I was in, it had been on for 25 years.

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Kind of thing.

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It was this long standing show.

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And, and, uh, and so I was, we'd film

most of it over the summer holiday, but a

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few weeks would run into the school year.

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And so when I went back to school, some

people would ask what I was doing and

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rumor got out that I was in this show.

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And.

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And I remember one kid

saying, you're just lying.

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You're just saying it so

that people respect you.

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And I kind of thought, good,

let everyone think I'm lying.

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Um, because it just, it just

kept people off your back.

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You know, attention in high school,

that sort of attention was not.

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Was

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Marc Preston: the show already

out or was this, uh, or was

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Dimitri Leonidas: it?

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The show was long running, but the

stuff I had filmed wasn't out until

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the sort of next term kind of thing.

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So we'd film over the summer

holidays and into the, the, the,

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the beginning of the school year.

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And then it would come out sort of, I

guess, I guess in a few months time and,

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uh, and then once it was out, it was

kind of this weird thing where people

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were watching it and, and there's a

sort of weird response to, to being.

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In a show when you're at school like that.

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How

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Marc Preston: old

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were you roughly when,

when you were shooting?

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I

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Dimitri Leonidas: mean, I

would have been about 12 or 13.

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Oh,

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Marc Preston: okay.

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Dimitri Leonidas: Okay.

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I was, I was quite young.

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So it was kind of weird thing to do.

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And, and, and, uh, you do feel

like you're sort of coexisting in

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two different worlds, you know,

high school life and, and all the,

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the trimmings that come with that.

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And then a professional

environment, um, that is.

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Uh, that, that has its own sort

of peculiarities, really, of

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being on Tenny and a certain,

um, whirlpool of, of that world.

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Um, and seeing sort of kids, you know,

having their eyes sort of, like, open to

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the idea of maybe, you know Being active.

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I mean, I never saw it that way, but

I remember some people, you know, you

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could easily get carried away in, in,

in that it, you know, some of the kids

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that went, that were in the show were

from more drama school background.

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So this was something they

would have been planning.

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Marc Preston: always imagine over

there that it's more people start

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in theater, you know, kind of,

that's kind of the cliche idea.

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Everybody's studying Shakespeare

out of the gate, you know, Was

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it received like, or people

thinking, Hey, this is really cool.

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Or were they, you know, being

that age, things are awkward

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enough as it is, where they kind

of, were you getting singled out?

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Like, okay, this, this punk over here

thinks he's something special, you know?

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Dimitri Leonidas: Well, I remember getting

out of the train station one day and going

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to school and some guy, these guys in

hoodies saw me and were like, you know,

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swore at me and you're that, you know,

guy off the telly, give me your phone and

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sort of tried to, to sort of surround me.

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And, and, I kind of

just carried on walking.

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But so for me, it really wasn't

something that I, I was proud of it.

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I was, I felt great about being in

it, but the sort of social status that

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came from it, um, was not something

that I was in an environment where that

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would necessarily put you up higher.

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in the hierarchy.

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I mean, um, it felt great to be in the

show and it was a sort of privately.

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I was beginning to sort of see

that there was an opportunity

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here for a career in it as well.

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I was like, okay, it came out of nowhere

that, you know, getting this job.

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Um, the lady that run these drama classes

above the pub, she had these connections

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to certain casting directors and, and

she'd said to my parents, look, I would

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like to put Dimitri up for some stuff.

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I think he'd be great.

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You know, do it.

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How would he feel about it?

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How would you guys feel about it?

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And, um, I was, of

course, like, Yeah, great.

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You know, so I did some extra work.

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Um, often there's sort of like

crime shows that were on telly.

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They would want, you know, sort of

street, more urban kids as extras in the

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background, and they would go to this

this, um, this sort of drama class after

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school because she had a lot of kids from

local estates that she had just helped

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Prepare to go into, you know, almost, you

know, credit to her, but through osmosis,

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just being at those lessons, you kind of.

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You did have this sort of preparation

to go in, even if it's just to do a

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few days of extra work, you know, was

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Marc Preston: your mind shifting in

the direction of like, okay, this

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may be what I want to do when I'm a

grownup, you know, or were, were you

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still thinking this is cool for now?

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And, uh, there's something else on

the agenda that you were thinking that

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would be really cool to do for a living.

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What, what was your aspiration?

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I know it's only 12 and 13 years

old, but we're thinking there was

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something else you wanted to do as well.

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Dimitri Leonidas: No, I think,

I think I, I started to realize,

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like, that I, I really enjoyed it.

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I, I think it's hard because

looking back, I go, what point

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did I really solidify in my mind?

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And it's hard to identify exactly.

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But I think at that time, I remember

thinking there is a potential, you know,

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because it's so, when you, at that,

at that time, going into acting felt

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like something that other people did.

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Um, I'm Putting yourself in an

environment where you're doing it and

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then you're watching yourself on telly

and you're going, Oh, this is what it is.

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It's like the process is already

something I'm undergoing.

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You learn your lines and you turn up

and you have long days of filming,

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but these, this is what the job is.

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And so it kind of pulled away the mystique

of, of, you know, film and television and

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actually felt like something quite real.

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Um, and I think that

calcify in my head as, as.

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something I really wanted to do.

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And so I continued to sort of pursue

it and, and, you know, move up through,

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through different agents and stuff.

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And I didn't go to drama school.

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And as you say, that is the

traditional route very much still

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in the UK is, is learning your, your

craft through, um, through drama

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school and through theater training.

449

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And so having not done that, I always

felt a little bit like, am I missing out?

450

00:23:01,765 --> 00:23:05,085

What, what am I not, you know, I'm, I

haven't gone through formal training.

451

00:23:05,105 --> 00:23:06,795

I'm just sort of winging it.

452

00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,159

But I guess I had the advantage of having

some experience and knowing what the

453

00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:15,820

ins and outs of the day on set entail.

454

00:23:15,879 --> 00:23:17,620

Marc Preston: Yeah, but it

definitely was a job in your mind.

455

00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:20,530

You could kind of see this as being

a vocation because I hear, you know,

456

00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:24,530

some younger kids, some child actors

I'd spoken with over the years,

457

00:23:24,919 --> 00:23:28,250

they've said, you know, they, it was

kind of fun for them, but they didn't

458

00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:32,190

really perceive it as, Oh, I can make

a living doing this thing, you know?

459

00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:34,359

So that was, that's kind

of a nice little epiphany.

460

00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,360

And did you stay in school?

461

00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:40,080

Like, as things progressed, you know,

12, 13, did you stay in school or did

462

00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,200

you start getting a lot of, a lot more

work and we're doing the kind of the

463

00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:45,590

onset where they call the tutoring?

464

00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,629

Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah, I mean, I mean,

there was, whilst we were doing the

465

00:23:48,629 --> 00:23:52,209

show, there was, there was tutoring,

but I was, I was in school, you

466

00:23:52,209 --> 00:23:55,800

know, um, I, I did college as well.

467

00:23:55,940 --> 00:24:04,060

Um, so I kind of went through as far as I

felt was, was sort of, I should in terms

468

00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:06,089

of formal education, you know, academic.

469

00:24:06,089 --> 00:24:06,139

Right.

470

00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,300

education.

471

00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:11,880

Um, I went to college, but I sort of

knew in the back of my mind, I was

472

00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,550

going to try and take a swing at acting.

473

00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:17,670

I was going to try and get a slightly

better agent off the back of having done,

474

00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:19,760

you know, a few bits of television work.

475

00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:25,859

Um, and, and, you know, at that point

it's, it is, they're the hardest years

476

00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:33,270

really, where you're sort of like, you

know, trying to figure out how realistic

477

00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:38,455

it is, knowing that there's an element of

it's, Up to the sort of gods in a way, you

478

00:24:38,455 --> 00:24:41,905

know, there's so much your uncertainty.

479

00:24:42,004 --> 00:24:42,405

Yeah.

480

00:24:42,844 --> 00:24:47,264

And, and, and, you know, my dad, you

know, as I explained the sort of in the

481

00:24:47,274 --> 00:24:52,104

background of all that is sort of building

his, his business and, and I think was

482

00:24:52,135 --> 00:24:56,694

quite keen for me to sort of go in into

that and take over what he'd started.

483

00:24:56,694 --> 00:25:01,315

And so, you know, uh, I had to

sort of try and juggle those things

484

00:25:01,674 --> 00:25:05,145

and, uh, I mean, he's extremely

supportive now, but understandably.

485

00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:11,495

You know, telling my Greengrass, the

dad that I want to go into like acting.

486

00:25:11,504 --> 00:25:14,624

Marc Preston: What did your mother,

was she also a Cypriot or did

487

00:25:14,624 --> 00:25:15,924

he meet your mother in the UK?

488

00:25:15,985 --> 00:25:17,095

Dimitri Leonidas: They met in the UK.

489

00:25:17,155 --> 00:25:21,584

Um, and, and you know, it was my

mom, I guess, who really was sort

490

00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:26,265

of encouraging us to sort of try

these things, you know, try and go

491

00:25:26,265 --> 00:25:29,075

to these extra curriculum activities.

492

00:25:29,075 --> 00:25:34,594

And so my sisters were doing bits of

singing and dancing, as I said, and, um,

493

00:25:35,324 --> 00:25:36,864

And she passed away when I was young.

494

00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:40,484

My mom passed away when I was 13.

495

00:25:40,765 --> 00:25:44,904

Um, so it was kind of mad, you know,

like three sisters and myself and my dad,

496

00:25:44,904 --> 00:25:49,364

all trying to figure out how to proceed,

you know, because you're, you're, you're

497

00:25:50,334 --> 00:25:55,345

beyond the sort of tragedy of it is,

is the absurdity of it, which is like.

498

00:25:56,114 --> 00:26:00,384

Now what like and and you know coming

to terms with it in just a sort of

499

00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:08,514

everyday way And it and and so, you

know In that sort of chaos, I think

500

00:26:08,514 --> 00:26:10,284

you grow up quite quickly in your head.

501

00:26:10,315 --> 00:26:10,964

You sort of go.

502

00:26:11,014 --> 00:26:11,854

Okay Well the

503

00:26:11,855 --> 00:26:14,224

Marc Preston: acting that that was right

about the time you were doing this show

504

00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:18,154

me the acting had to been somewhat of

a Escape for you at least a little bit.

505

00:26:18,194 --> 00:26:18,665

Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

506

00:26:18,755 --> 00:26:21,340

Yeah, it was Yeah, it was.

507

00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:28,060

And, and I think it was like kind

of schizophrenic in my head in

508

00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:33,689

a way that I was already trying

to not bring the acting part.

509

00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,320

It was not something I was

bringing into the school too much.

510

00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,889

And then in the background of

that, with my mom, there was

511

00:26:38,899 --> 00:26:41,109

like a third narrative going.

512

00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:45,760

And so I think I got used to, I think

as you get older, you used to, you do

513

00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,760

naturally have several parts of yourself.

514

00:26:49,189 --> 00:26:49,730

operate.

515

00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:53,370

And I think quite quickly, I

sort of had to dissect parts of

516

00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:55,840

myself and go, this isn't useful.

517

00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:59,600

You know, I mean, I remember my sister

saying to me, she was like, try and

518

00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,170

not let what's going on with us at home

affect what you're doing on the job.

519

00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:07,534

And I thought it was a really

mature thing for her to say.

520

00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:12,885

It was like, and I totally understood why

she was saying it, but, um, you know, so

521

00:27:12,885 --> 00:27:19,435

it was a lot of like, very quickly learn,

learn to, to, to adapt to environments

522

00:27:19,435 --> 00:27:21,745

that are changing and, and, um,

523

00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:23,145

Marc Preston: Yeah.

524

00:27:23,145 --> 00:27:25,395

And that, that time of life

is awkward enough as it is.

525

00:27:25,405 --> 00:27:26,504

So that had to be, you know,

526

00:27:26,675 --> 00:27:26,804

Dimitri Leonidas: at

527

00:27:27,784 --> 00:27:30,594

Marc Preston: least you had your, your,

your father, your sisters there did, you

528

00:27:30,594 --> 00:27:34,834

know, you know, you haven't me growing

up as an only child, I have three kids.

529

00:27:34,834 --> 00:27:36,165

I live vicariously through them.

530

00:27:36,174 --> 00:27:37,504

What's it like to have siblings?

531

00:27:37,504 --> 00:27:40,435

You know, because as an only

kid, I had a dog, you know, that

532

00:27:40,435 --> 00:27:42,014

was about as close as we got.

533

00:27:42,344 --> 00:27:43,135

One last question.

534

00:27:43,135 --> 00:27:46,485

I, I always ended up talking to

food at least once every episode.

535

00:27:46,844 --> 00:27:50,095

And one of my, some of my favorite

food is from that, uh, Part, you

536

00:27:50,095 --> 00:27:55,045

know, the, the ri the, the cuisine

is very, very much similar to Greek.

537

00:27:55,045 --> 00:27:55,345

Don't they?

538

00:27:55,345 --> 00:27:57,985

Don't they have like li long lifespans?

539

00:27:57,985 --> 00:28:00,535

Isn't that kind of a cprt thing

because of the way they eat, or, yes.

540

00:28:00,715 --> 00:28:01,315

Dimitri Leonidas: No, you're right.

541

00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,695

There's, there's a Greek island where

it has the oldest living inhabitants.

542

00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,905

They're all living till like 110, 115.

543

00:28:08,905 --> 00:28:10,735

And, and it's exactly what you say.

544

00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:12,490

It's olive oil.

545

00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:13,530

It's fresh fish.

546

00:28:13,879 --> 00:28:15,429

It's seasonal vegetables.

547

00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:18,554

Marc Preston: Is your father a

cook or was that something he did?

548

00:28:18,554 --> 00:28:20,379

I mean, does he know how

to make some of these?

549

00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:21,229

No, it's the answer

550

00:28:21,770 --> 00:28:22,149

Dimitri Leonidas: to that.

551

00:28:22,189 --> 00:28:25,769

I mean, he, you know, he,

um, he loves his food.

552

00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:30,300

My dad, um, he's not, he's not

necessarily a good cook, but he's sisters.

553

00:28:30,329 --> 00:28:35,640

So my aunties, um, would always sort of

bring Greek food around, you know, Easter.

554

00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:37,760

Marc Preston: He'll provide the groceries.

555

00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:39,290

Dimitri Leonidas: He'll

provide the groceries, yeah.

556

00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:39,630

I

557

00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,166

Marc Preston: was curious, have you

stayed, uh, have you always kind of lived

558

00:28:42,166 --> 00:28:46,389

in the UK, or have you tried living in

LA, or have you kind of moved around,

559

00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:47,850

or has this always been your home base?

560

00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:51,129

Dimitri Leonidas: This has always been

my home base, although over the last, I'd

561

00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:55,880

say, sort of 10, 12 years, I've probably

spent half of that time working abroad.

562

00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,559

I always seem to get jobs that are like

6, 7 months abroad, and I've been really

563

00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:03,029

fortunate that it's been you know.

564

00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:07,539

I spent like a year in Malta

filming a TV show and really

565

00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:09,439

six, seven months in Berlin.

566

00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,560

Um, uh, a few months in Barcelona,

the job, the jobs that I I'd

567

00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,350

landed over the last decade or so

were predominantly filmed abroad.

568

00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,559

So it was, it was always

nice to come home.

569

00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:21,929

Actually.

570

00:29:21,929 --> 00:29:25,879

I, I, I love traveling love, you

know, it's, it's something that

571

00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:28,639

I do even in, in my off off time.

572

00:29:28,649 --> 00:29:33,260

But, um, Getting to do that with

work is, is, is a real privilege.

573

00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:33,980

Oh, that's,

574

00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,940

Marc Preston: that's pretty awesome.

575

00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:38,359

I mean, that's one of the things I always

wanted to do is, is have a gig where I

576

00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,380

can be able to travel, you know, and being

able to go, you're not just traveling

577

00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:46,719

to like, like LA or again, we'll say

like Atlanta, Georgia and the U S you're

578

00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,570

going to some kind of nice exotic places.

579

00:29:48,579 --> 00:29:51,270

So it's, you know, those about to die.

580

00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:52,540

Where did y'all shoot that?

581

00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:55,580

Dimitri Leonidas: So we shot

that in, in Italy, in Rome.

582

00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:56,230

Oh, really?

583

00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:56,730

Okay.

584

00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,540

Yeah.

585

00:29:57,689 --> 00:29:57,979

Yeah.

586

00:29:57,979 --> 00:30:04,045

And they have, um, the studios there,

Chinichita, and uh, and also some sets

587

00:30:04,065 --> 00:30:05,765

that was, were outside of the studio.

588

00:30:07,375 --> 00:30:12,375

There was a remake of Ben Hur a

few years ago, and for that film,

589

00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,685

they had built Circus Maximus.

590

00:30:15,045 --> 00:30:17,825

Um, and that set is still there.

591

00:30:18,244 --> 00:30:21,574

And so Yeah, it's an

amazing set, actually.

592

00:30:21,574 --> 00:30:27,074

And for the chariot racing and training

that I had to do, and also for filming,

593

00:30:27,074 --> 00:30:30,430

we were using That Circus Maximus set.

594

00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:31,510

Um, yeah, it's

595

00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:32,800

Marc Preston: funny you say

that cause I was watching it.

596

00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,850

I was thinking, well, of course there,

I'm sure there's some element of CGI

597

00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:39,870

cause you can't just recreate Rome,

you know, can't rebuild Rome, but,

598

00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:43,570

but I'm going, okay, this guy really

looks like he's doing some horse stuff.

599

00:30:43,915 --> 00:30:47,385

You know, so, you know, so the, what

kind of training did you have to go

600

00:30:47,385 --> 00:30:51,215

through to kind of prepare yourself

to have a team of four horses?

601

00:30:51,245 --> 00:30:51,715

Yeah.

602

00:30:51,785 --> 00:30:52,175

Yeah.

603

00:30:52,465 --> 00:30:53,665

You know, how did, how did you do that?

604

00:30:53,695 --> 00:30:55,725

Dimitri Leonidas: So we, we were

called out, the sort of charioteers

605

00:30:56,735 --> 00:31:01,475

were called out to Rome a little

earlier and, and were given a sort of

606

00:31:01,475 --> 00:31:06,045

intensive training, which involved a few

things at first, it was like going to

607

00:31:06,055 --> 00:31:08,635

stables and spending time with horses.

608

00:31:08,635 --> 00:31:14,610

And, and, uh, my character has,

um, There's a few scenes with,

609

00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,090

with a horse in the show called

Inchitatus, which is a real horse.

610

00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:22,569

It was a famous horse in Rome and, uh,

so because of that, they were like,

611

00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,759

we need to sort of match you with the,

with the right horse for these scenes.

612

00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:29,729

And, um, so one of the first things

I had to do was go and like spend

613

00:31:29,729 --> 00:31:30,920

time with a few different people.

614

00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:33,620

potential in Chitatus horses.

615

00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:40,919

Um, and you know, the first one I,

I, I met was this veteran actor horse

616

00:31:40,919 --> 00:31:44,249

that had been on a bunch of like

films and television shows and was a

617

00:31:44,249 --> 00:31:49,200

bit older and a little bit more, um,

you know, a little bit more subdued.

618

00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,820

He was used to being around people.

619

00:31:51,239 --> 00:31:52,350

He was used to being on set.

620

00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:55,030

So it was kind of easy to

groom him and deal with him.

621

00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:58,020

But something about it

just didn't feel right.

622

00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:00,590

It was like, it felt

too easy or something.

623

00:32:00,590 --> 00:32:04,775

And then it In the end, you know, we

went for this other horse called Silaro.

624

00:32:04,785 --> 00:32:09,505

My first encounter with him was just,

I was in complete awe, it was huge,

625

00:32:09,505 --> 00:32:15,905

this huge muscular horse that, um,

seemed completely like unimpressed.

626

00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,096

And, uh, and

627

00:32:17,096 --> 00:32:20,549

Marc Preston: it seems like an interesting

matchmaking thing they're doing here.

628

00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:22,290

You know, with you and a horse,

629

00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,830

Dimitri Leonidas: you know,

they wanted it to feel right.

630

00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:25,270

I think.

631

00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,310

And, and, you know, when I got back,

you know, after the day I, Roland, the

632

00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:32,550

director, he was asking me, he was like,

so what happened with those horses?

633

00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:34,900

And I said, there's this one

horse that is just so terrifying.

634

00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:36,830

It's like super intimidating.

635

00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600

It's like this sort of dragon sized horse.

636

00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:44,050

Um, that, uh, it's never done

any sort of television work.

637

00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:44,320

It's.

638

00:32:45,345 --> 00:32:49,645

So it's not, um, accustomed to sort of

being on set or anything, but the horse

639

00:32:49,645 --> 00:32:54,045

is so sort of intimidating, um, and

impressive looking that I just thought

640

00:32:54,045 --> 00:32:56,495

it has to be, it has to be this horse.

641

00:32:56,765 --> 00:33:01,154

And that's, that's who we went with and,

um, yeah, and then, and then, you know,

642

00:33:01,154 --> 00:33:03,065

slowly getting us used to the chariots.

643

00:33:03,095 --> 00:33:08,785

We started off on, on carriages and

just where you sort of sit and go on the

644

00:33:08,785 --> 00:33:10,435

carriage and go around Circus Maximus.

645

00:33:11,345 --> 00:33:15,575

Then upgraded to actual chariots,

which, which were terrifying at first.

646

00:33:15,575 --> 00:33:17,435

It's like standing on a skateboard.

647

00:33:18,165 --> 00:33:22,414

Um, Roland really wanted to sort

of go with a sort of more sporty

648

00:33:22,445 --> 00:33:24,124

design chariot that was very small.

649

00:33:24,825 --> 00:33:29,705

Um, and very sort of fast looking

and therefore not the safest.

650

00:33:29,785 --> 00:33:35,295

Um, so, you know, it's like standing on

this sort of little, little skateboard.

651

00:33:35,675 --> 00:33:36,585

With, I would say it

652

00:33:36,585 --> 00:33:40,065

Marc Preston: sounds kind of like, even

in just kind of watching the, they,

653

00:33:40,075 --> 00:33:42,724

they weren't these really robust things.

654

00:33:42,725 --> 00:33:46,114

They were just kind of like just a couple

of wheels, a little thing to stand in.

655

00:33:46,115 --> 00:33:47,375

And it's, yeah.

656

00:33:48,125 --> 00:33:50,845

Dimitri Leonidas: Um, and then

four giant Hungarian stunt horses

657

00:33:50,865 --> 00:33:54,950

that are like, You know, when they

want to go, they just want to rip.

658

00:33:55,010 --> 00:34:01,219

It's like, it's the feeling of, of those

horses at full power is, is phenomenal.

659

00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:05,850

It's like, it's, it's like an

earthquake at the end of your hat.

660

00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:08,599

It's, it's just, I mean,

those guys are crazy.

661

00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,439

The stunt guys are absolutely crazy.

662

00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:13,479

Those Hungarian boys that

actually were doing the races.

663

00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,450

And then you think like, they're crazy,

but the guys in Rome 2000 years ago,

664

00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:22,500

doing the races without all the specific

equipment that they have for the horses

665

00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:23,740

today that make it a little more.

666

00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:24,010

Marc Preston: Yeah.

667

00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:24,850

And paramedics,

668

00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:28,299

there was one quote.

669

00:34:28,299 --> 00:34:34,930

Somebody said that, uh, that horse meats

worth more than an injured racing guys.

670

00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:40,455

Like the cool thing for me was in

watching this was that it was a, um, It

671

00:34:40,455 --> 00:34:41,875

reminded me a little bit of the history.

672

00:34:41,875 --> 00:34:44,465

I probably should have paid a little

bit more attention to in school,

673

00:34:44,765 --> 00:34:46,585

but it was, what was the life?

674

00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:47,585

What was the daily life?

675

00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,585

What was the ebb and flow for the,

from the peasant folk all the way up

676

00:34:50,585 --> 00:34:54,704

to the, to the Anthony Hopkins types,

the emperor, you kind of saw it in a

677

00:34:54,854 --> 00:34:58,174

three dimensions as opposed to just, you

know, something that seems historical.

678

00:34:58,874 --> 00:35:02,605

Did you have any epiphanies in doing

this or learn something or anything

679

00:35:02,615 --> 00:35:06,285

about the ecosystem of the Roman life

or whatever you want to call that?

680

00:35:06,314 --> 00:35:07,795

I mean, was there

something you picked up on?

681

00:35:07,795 --> 00:35:11,295

You, you were just kind of like,

Pleasantly surprised, uh, to learn.

682

00:35:11,425 --> 00:35:12,935

Dimitri Leonidas: I mean,

there was this great podcast.

683

00:35:12,965 --> 00:35:16,885

The friend gave me before I started

called the history of Rome podcast.

684

00:35:17,515 --> 00:35:20,375

And, uh, it really is phenomenal.

685

00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:24,224

It started out as a, as a pet

project for him and it, it started

686

00:35:24,295 --> 00:35:25,945

to build a quite a large audience.

687

00:35:25,945 --> 00:35:29,325

And then he just commits fully

to, and he quits his job and just

688

00:35:29,345 --> 00:35:30,835

commits to making this podcast.

689

00:35:30,835 --> 00:35:30,975

And so.

690

00:35:31,765 --> 00:35:37,265

I was listening to that whilst, you

know, shooting and, um, there's so

691

00:35:37,285 --> 00:35:44,744

many really interesting little stories

that, um, I mean, Vespasian was an

692

00:35:44,744 --> 00:35:46,514

emperor that created public lavatories.

693

00:35:47,365 --> 00:35:51,674

Uh, and so in, in Rome, in Italy,

they call them Vespasianos, I

694

00:35:51,675 --> 00:35:52,805

think is the public lavatories.

695

00:35:52,915 --> 00:35:54,725

He, he, he created those things.

696

00:35:54,735 --> 00:36:00,515

So there's all these really sort of tiny

little stories and nuggets of, of, Call

697

00:36:00,515 --> 00:36:06,205

it cool pieces of info that come out,

um, you know, in, in, in researching

698

00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:10,314

the show and that, that period of time,

I think for me, it was trying to get

699

00:36:10,315 --> 00:36:14,435

my head around, just they see the world

slightly different to us in many ways.

700

00:36:14,634 --> 00:36:18,865

You know, we talk about Rome being the

basis of our civilization today, and it

701

00:36:18,874 --> 00:36:23,705

is in so many ways, the idea of bread

and circus, the politics, the class

702

00:36:23,735 --> 00:36:29,645

system, all of it is, you know, we can

draw a line from that time to today.

703

00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:31,264

And so many of these sort of large.

704

00:36:32,025 --> 00:36:36,015

Um, this sort of large things that

still exist today, but there's

705

00:36:36,015 --> 00:36:38,715

also an element where they saw

the world so differently to us.

706

00:36:39,255 --> 00:36:44,354

And that was, was kind of fascinating

that we, we sort of are far more, I

707

00:36:44,385 --> 00:36:50,344

think, atheistic and, and, and post

sort of cycle, you know, psychotherapy.

708

00:36:50,345 --> 00:36:50,674

We.

709

00:36:50,935 --> 00:36:55,815

We analyze our behavior in certain

ways that you have to, you know,

710

00:36:56,175 --> 00:36:59,265

for a show like this in particular,

you have to be very careful.

711

00:36:59,265 --> 00:37:03,195

You don't, you're not too clinical

with your approach to these characters

712

00:37:03,245 --> 00:37:07,615

because somewhere you can sort of squeeze

the ghost and the mystery out of them.

713

00:37:07,704 --> 00:37:11,044

Marc Preston: There is a quote, um, that

I thought was really interesting, uh,

714

00:37:11,045 --> 00:37:13,699

that, that they could see the artifice.

715

00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,930

But that's actually what they wanted,

you know, in other words, that's part

716

00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,450

of the theater of the whole thing.

717

00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,190

I think it was with the scene

when you were kind of like

718

00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:23,430

pulling back and in the race

719

00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,829

Dimitri Leonidas: and then,

you know, and everybody kind of

720

00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:27,900

Marc Preston: see, okay,

this is some BS, man.

721

00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:29,060

And we know what he's about to do.

722

00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:31,879

And it's like, you know, it's

almost like pro wrestling in a way.

723

00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:32,820

Right.

724

00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:34,810

But that's part of the theater of it.

725

00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:36,650

There's so many parallels.

726

00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,610

I mean, you know, it is cool ways,

but also some kind of scary ways.

727

00:37:40,610 --> 00:37:43,779

You start talking about the ebb

and flow of a, of an empire.

728

00:37:43,779 --> 00:37:46,639

And if you look at the U S right

now, and there's some, there's some

729

00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,370

interesting parallels, you know?

730

00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:49,220

Yeah, absolutely.

731

00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:49,540

Yeah.

732

00:37:49,955 --> 00:37:52,665

But I'm imagining, I know my

daughter just got back from Rome

733

00:37:52,665 --> 00:37:54,195

and she went to Umbria as well.

734

00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:57,335

And, uh, she got back, I was just asking

her all, all the food she had to eat.

735

00:37:57,375 --> 00:38:00,445

You know, she, she apparently is not going

to want to have any pasta for a little

736

00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:02,755

while, but what was food service like?

737

00:38:02,755 --> 00:38:05,655

What was the craft service like

when you were there in Rome?

738

00:38:05,805 --> 00:38:06,405

It's incredible.

739

00:38:06,434 --> 00:38:11,815

Was it kind of your standard TV show

stuff or that was it like some real deal

740

00:38:11,815 --> 00:38:12,255

Dimitri Leonidas: Italian?

741

00:38:12,355 --> 00:38:16,665

Marc, honestly, it's like

the food, you know, the food.

742

00:38:17,445 --> 00:38:23,505

It's the cliche, but it is true,

you know, bad food is insulting to

743

00:38:23,505 --> 00:38:30,785

Italians and, and they, they really,

you know, they really took care of us.

744

00:38:31,245 --> 00:38:34,845

The catering team out there

was, I mean, it was just superb.

745

00:38:34,905 --> 00:38:38,545

I can't, you know, I've been on

some sets where it's like, should

746

00:38:38,554 --> 00:38:39,985

we just like Uber eat something?

747

00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,524

Because I really don't

want to eat this set food.

748

00:38:42,525 --> 00:38:46,420

It's just not, it just feels sort of

scary that you might, you know, Eat

749

00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:50,520

something and not be able to work

for the rest of the day, you know,

750

00:38:50,530 --> 00:38:52,390

but this was not the case in Italy.

751

00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:56,950

It's like, and the funny thing is, you

know, as well, not just on set, it's, it's

752

00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:03,830

the, the sort of places, the restaurants

that, um, sort of a quiet little place

753

00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:08,180

down an alleyway that you find and you

go in and you're like, doesn't seem to

754

00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:11,840

be anyone there, but maybe because of the

time of day and then the pizza they give

755

00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,640

you is the best pizza you've ever tasted.

756

00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,800

And it's like, it's all

these tiny little cafes that.

757

00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:20,030

Um, they just

758

00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:20,230

Marc Preston: do.

759

00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:21,560

Yeah.

760

00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,760

Isn't there like a whole thing,

a whole idea that they may do one

761

00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,380

thing amazingly well, and one place

is known for one thing and you got

762

00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:30,689

to go over there for that one thing.

763

00:39:30,689 --> 00:39:35,685

I mean, I would, I would get lost and pick

up, put on, I mean, Ridiculous amount of

764

00:39:35,685 --> 00:39:37,885

pounds, you know, spending time there.

765

00:39:38,315 --> 00:39:39,865

So, so what are you working on right now?

766

00:39:39,895 --> 00:39:41,485

You know, what is coming up for you?

767

00:39:41,595 --> 00:39:43,345

So you're shooting a series like this.

768

00:39:44,165 --> 00:39:45,335

Same thing with a foundation.

769

00:39:45,345 --> 00:39:48,635

Do you ever kind of need like a break or

do you get a little antsy when you're not

770

00:39:48,635 --> 00:39:51,295

shooting something when you're kind of

like, geez, I want to get back to work.

771

00:39:51,705 --> 00:39:53,465

Dimitri Leonidas: Working is always great.

772

00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:58,545

It's always nice to have, to have that,

but I've learned to sort of use the

773

00:39:58,545 --> 00:40:01,185

time off as productively as possible.

774

00:40:01,185 --> 00:40:01,525

I think.

775

00:40:02,075 --> 00:40:06,435

You, especially when you're first

starting out, it's very easy to

776

00:40:06,435 --> 00:40:11,995

let that time sort of ever way with

anxiety about what's coming next.

777

00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:13,565

And is anything coming next?

778

00:40:13,925 --> 00:40:19,625

Um, and, um, when you, you know, when

a job does come along, you sort of

779

00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:23,575

go, I wish I just sort of did the

things that I want to do in that time.

780

00:40:23,575 --> 00:40:24,695

I wish I read more books.

781

00:40:24,695 --> 00:40:29,675

I wish I, you know, went running more, you

know, I like to do some indoor climbing

782

00:40:29,685 --> 00:40:32,565

and, um, Brazilian jujitsu and, and.

783

00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,600

You kind of don't do any of those

things, especially when you're starting

784

00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,260

out because you've got no money and

you're like, you're trying to sort of,

785

00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:42,370

I don't know how long this sort of pay

packet has to last to pay your rent.

786

00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:47,129

So you sort of don't branch out into

your other interests until you somehow

787

00:40:47,129 --> 00:40:49,429

feel a little more secure and you're

never going to feel totally secure.

788

00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:49,709

I think.

789

00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:51,440

Um,

790

00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:53,120

Marc Preston: yeah, I remember

a long time ago, I think I

791

00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,320

was speaking to John Favreau.

792

00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:56,870

This is going 20.

793

00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:58,590

I don't even think of

how long ago that was.

794

00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:59,740

I'm getting older.

795

00:41:00,010 --> 00:41:02,539

Um, but he said something that's

like, yeah, you know, whenever a

796

00:41:02,539 --> 00:41:04,239

movie or a show raps, I'm out of work.

797

00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,940

I never really framed it like that.

798

00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:06,489

Like, Oh really?

799

00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:08,059

I guess you're, I guess you're right.

800

00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:11,280

As far as projects go, what, what

kind of things do you have coming up?

801

00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,940

Or even, you know, what kind of

things are you looking to want to do?

802

00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:17,720

You know, coming up here, uh, is

there anything you haven't done that

803

00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:21,700

you're like, I would really like to

grab ahold of a project like this.

804

00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:22,510

What would that be?

805

00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:27,820

Dimitri Leonidas: Um, I mean, I, I feel

very fortunate in the last few years

806

00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:33,720

to have been on a range of, of projects

and shows that are all quite different.

807

00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:40,810

Um, you know, from sort of sci fi

to war dramas, um, to, to sort of

808

00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:45,710

modern day to like ancient Rome, I

kind of had to sort of stop when this

809

00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:46,860

job finished and look back and go.

810

00:41:47,555 --> 00:41:52,405

If I, someone had told me 10 years ago

that I would have done these things, it,

811

00:41:53,045 --> 00:41:56,745

I, I would have, you know, grabbed, I

would have said, yes, please, you know, if

812

00:41:56,745 --> 00:41:59,125

that is, is where I could be in 10 years.

813

00:41:59,135 --> 00:42:04,235

So, so I kind of like, I've tried

to sort of go a little more inwards

814

00:42:04,235 --> 00:42:07,995

and, and figure out what it is I

personally want to do and, and the

815

00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:12,745

things that really sort of draw sort

of sources of inspiration for me.

816

00:42:12,745 --> 00:42:16,525

And then it's really bizarre because

that sort of can lead you down.

817

00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:22,160

Um, a path of like, you know, you

end up with five, six, seven books

818

00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:26,319

that you're going reading all at

once and, uh, and, um, and that opens

819

00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:27,780

up more doors to something else.

820

00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,310

And then there'll be some, you know,

eccentric artists that you, you

821

00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:35,330

discover through that process that you

momentarily become sort of obsessed with.

822

00:42:35,330 --> 00:42:39,470

And, and so I'm in that world of

just, you know, there's lots of

823

00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:41,160

things that sort of appeal to me.

824

00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:41,840

And, and.

825

00:42:42,345 --> 00:42:48,545

Um, finding time to do it all and, and,

and, you know, read the books that I want.

826

00:42:48,545 --> 00:42:54,355

And, um, I, I, I bought a, a camera

recently and have been, you know,

827

00:42:54,445 --> 00:42:59,055

shooting and, and getting to know

the, the intricacies of it and, and

828

00:42:59,055 --> 00:43:02,200

the sort of the, the, the few lenses

that I bought and playing with them

829

00:43:02,325 --> 00:43:05,895

and going onto Da Vinci Resolve and,

and learning the editing software.

830

00:43:05,895 --> 00:43:06,585

And so like.

831

00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:10,090

For me, it's like I could,

I could do that forever.

832

00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:14,160

Um, cause I love, I love, I'm

starting to really enjoy that.

833

00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:21,220

Um, but of course, you know, work,

work is, is, is essential and the

834

00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:24,760

process of, of like being with

other people and doing it is great.

835

00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:24,929

Marc Preston: Yeah.

836

00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:26,079

I know what you mean about that.

837

00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:26,789

Eventually resolve.

838

00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:29,630

You can kind of go down a little

rabbit hole, like as if you've got

839

00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:30,840

a creative mind you want to go.

840

00:43:30,850 --> 00:43:31,150

Right.

841

00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,825

Dimitri Leonidas: You've got into the

fusion element elements of DaVinci.

842

00:43:33,825 --> 00:43:33,826

The,

843

00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:37,160

Marc Preston: I haven't even

gotten into the things, the

844

00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,230

real horsepower of the thing.

845

00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:39,860

It's insane.

846

00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:44,630

Most I've done was this most rudimentary,

you know, just a basic editing as it were.

847

00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:46,190

But I mean, there's so much you can do.

848

00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:46,550

Yeah.

849

00:43:46,555 --> 00:43:46,705

Yeah.

850

00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:50,180

Do you find yourself, uh, like, oh,

next time I'm on set I wanna go hang out

851

00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:52,190

with a DP and ask him some questions?

852

00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:55,130

You know, what kinda lenses,

why are you using the lenses?

853

00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:55,310

You know,

854

00:43:56,575 --> 00:43:57,265

,

Dimitri Leonidas: exactly that.

855

00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,049

It really is that, yeah.

856

00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,520

Marc Preston: As we, you know,

head towards wrapping up here.

857

00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,990

One thing I do like to do, I have

my, what I call my seven questions.

858

00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,500

I always like to kind of throw

out and just, just a little

859

00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:14,779

fun, a little extra fun here.

860

00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,480

And we were talking food a moment ago.

861

00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,450

So, that always comes up a bunch.

862

00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:22,130

Um, of the seven questions,

first one's always, what is

863

00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:24,400

your favorite, uh, comfort food?

864

00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:26,930

Dimitri Leonidas: You

know, I love ribeye steak.

865

00:44:28,369 --> 00:44:29,480

I love ribeye steak.

866

00:44:29,619 --> 00:44:30,470

It's, um.

867

00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:36,180

It's, it's a, it's a meal that I

always feel very satisfied that

868

00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:39,530

the ingredient cooked properly with

some, maybe some, some broccoli, some

869

00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:43,709

garlic and a little bit of chili,

uh, with the broccoli that, that is,

870

00:44:45,059 --> 00:44:46,840

that is always super satisfied to me.

871

00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,920

And then, and then, um, you know, on

the slightly, maybe less healthier side.

872

00:44:51,245 --> 00:44:52,635

A good fried chicken burger.

873

00:44:52,635 --> 00:44:54,737

you said a fried

874

00:44:54,737 --> 00:44:55,788

Marc Preston: chicken burger.

875

00:44:55,788 --> 00:45:00,644

You know, the, the folks are the, the

folks, uh, at your neck of the woods I've

876

00:45:00,645 --> 00:45:06,764

spoken with, uh, I learned what spag bowl

is that's that's shown up more than once

877

00:45:06,855 --> 00:45:06,995

Dimitri Leonidas: I

878

00:45:06,995 --> 00:45:07,695

Marc Preston: can imagine.

879

00:45:07,695 --> 00:45:08,025

Yeah.

880

00:45:08,105 --> 00:45:09,245

But of course, being in Italy,

881

00:45:09,245 --> 00:45:10,374

Dimitri Leonidas: now

882

00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:13,945

Marc Preston: the second question is if

you're going to sit down, you're going

883

00:45:13,945 --> 00:45:19,955

to talk story like this, like a few

hours, coffee, you three people, Living

884

00:45:19,955 --> 00:45:23,295

or not, who would those three people be

that you would like to just have at the

885

00:45:23,295 --> 00:45:25,915

table with you, uh, for conversation?

886

00:45:26,035 --> 00:45:30,965

Dimitri Leonidas: Um, David Lean, who,

who directed, uh, Lawrence of Arabia and,

887

00:45:30,965 --> 00:45:33,434

um, all those, all those great epics.

888

00:45:33,435 --> 00:45:36,455

Um, I think he'd be fascinating.

889

00:45:36,485 --> 00:45:38,434

He's a sort of Kubrick

esque for going away.

890

00:45:38,644 --> 00:45:46,285

Um, and, um, Kubrick, you know, would

be, would, it's always hard with these

891

00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:50,155

questions because for me, I always go, how

can it not be Stanley Kubrick in a way?

892

00:45:50,165 --> 00:45:55,120

It's just, You know, his,

his work is, um, you know,

893

00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:59,190

Marc Preston: what is, what, what is

your, uh, if you have a Kubrick project,

894

00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,439

just like, okay, it's definitive, what

would that Kubrick film be for you?

895

00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,519

Dimitri Leonidas: I think Barry Lyndon,

you know, you sort of go through a process

896

00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,140

of all of them being at some point a sort

of favorite, but Barry Lyndon is maybe.

897

00:46:10,515 --> 00:46:17,165

Um, the one that I think is

just sort of stunning as a film.

898

00:46:17,255 --> 00:46:24,294

Um, and he famously designed, uh, he

worked along alongside NASA to develop

899

00:46:24,294 --> 00:46:30,094

these new lenses that could pick up light

in, um, that could pick up candlelight.

900

00:46:30,105 --> 00:46:34,845

So he wanted to shoot the whole film in

candlelight, which with the technology

901

00:46:34,845 --> 00:46:36,625

at the time just wasn't really possible.

902

00:46:36,635 --> 00:46:40,485

The lenses couldn't, Pick up

that level of, um, details,

903

00:46:40,545 --> 00:46:42,015

you know, it was just too dark.

904

00:46:42,305 --> 00:46:46,684

So he, you know, he, he, he gets

NASA to help him out and they

905

00:46:46,684 --> 00:46:50,144

design a whole new set of lenses

so that he can get what he wants.

906

00:46:50,424 --> 00:46:52,955

Marc Preston: And all the conspiracy

theories start that he went and, you

907

00:46:52,955 --> 00:46:54,715

know, shot the moon landing on a set.

908

00:46:54,764 --> 00:46:55,265

Dimitri Leonidas: That's right.

909

00:46:56,205 --> 00:46:56,564

That's it.

910

00:46:56,564 --> 00:46:57,315

Exactly that.

911

00:46:57,324 --> 00:46:57,614

Yeah.

912

00:46:57,654 --> 00:46:59,355

Marc Preston: For me, it was

full metal jacket for me.

913

00:46:59,355 --> 00:47:04,005

It was like a, like an interesting

journey to take, you know, Would you have

914

00:47:04,005 --> 00:47:05,325

another person at the table with you?

915

00:47:05,325 --> 00:47:08,205

You can think of that, you know, living

again, living or not, who would that be?

916

00:47:08,205 --> 00:47:11,655

Dimitri Leonidas: I'm going to

end up with three directors here,

917

00:47:11,715 --> 00:47:13,005

but I'm going to do it anyway.

918

00:47:13,064 --> 00:47:17,655

Um, Jonathan Glazer, who, who

directed, um, his first film was sexy

919

00:47:17,695 --> 00:47:21,685

beast, then birth, then under the

skin and recently zone of interest.

920

00:47:22,214 --> 00:47:30,365

Um, I just think he's, uh, you know,

each one of his films, they share no DNA.

921

00:47:30,405 --> 00:47:33,745

Like they don't, You don't know

that there's a Jonathan Glaser movie

922

00:47:33,785 --> 00:47:35,485

because there's nothing about them that

923

00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:36,725

Marc Preston: Really?

924

00:47:36,725 --> 00:47:36,985

Yeah,

925

00:47:36,985 --> 00:47:40,254

Dimitri Leonidas: I mean, he just

totally caters, even the form of

926

00:47:40,285 --> 00:47:44,995

the film, to suit the sort of themes

and the requirements of the film.

927

00:47:45,275 --> 00:47:48,444

I mean, he makes a film every ten years

or something and spends that decade

928

00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:54,140

I think totally focusing on what the

emergent needs of this project are.

929

00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:58,480

So by the time it comes out and sees

it, and you see it, they're like

930

00:47:58,530 --> 00:48:02,250

alien films in a way, because you're

like, there's nothing quite like it.

931

00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:08,169

He has designed the film in a way that

tells the story the exact way it needs

932

00:48:08,169 --> 00:48:13,915

to be told, you know, disregarding how we

sort of, You know, a mass audience sort of

933

00:48:13,915 --> 00:48:17,175

feels about a third act structure and, and

934

00:48:17,615 --> 00:48:20,784

Marc Preston: I don't know if I'd have

the patience to do a film once every

935

00:48:20,784 --> 00:48:22,475

10 years, I would be get too antsy.

936

00:48:22,475 --> 00:48:23,331

Like, I want to get there.

937

00:48:23,331 --> 00:48:24,616

Dimitri Leonidas: I know what you mean.

938

00:48:24,616 --> 00:48:25,129

Yeah, yeah.

939

00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:26,250

It's quite a marathon.

940

00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,380

Marc Preston: So, so that begs a question.

941

00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:30,520

Are you wanting to direct

at some point in time?

942

00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:31,490

I think so,

943

00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:31,970

Dimitri Leonidas: yeah.

944

00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:32,870

Yeah, I think I would.

945

00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,260

They'd probably be quite sort of small

things that, that I think, I think working

946

00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:43,989

on, on films with so many people and, and,

and they're kind of, you know, big epics.

947

00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:49,680

I quite like the idea for now

anyway of, of pairing it all down

948

00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:56,240

to something very small and, and,

um, and, and simplistic and, and.

949

00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:59,480

Maybe just for me, just playing

around, as you were saying, you

950

00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,140

know, with Da Vinci and stuff.

951

00:49:01,705 --> 00:49:05,375

With sort of more art installation

type things with narrative still,

952

00:49:05,415 --> 00:49:09,514

but, but just playing around with

image and sound and seeing how you

953

00:49:09,514 --> 00:49:12,325

can push that, that, that right now

is sort of quite appealing to me.

954

00:49:12,764 --> 00:49:15,424

Marc Preston: Well, I mean, with all the

locations you get to go, you know, you

955

00:49:15,424 --> 00:49:21,324

can take a camera around and you know, um,

now next question I got for you is going

956

00:49:21,334 --> 00:49:25,101

back when you were young, who was your

first celebrity crush when you were a kid?

957

00:49:25,101 --> 00:49:27,573

Dimitri Leonidas: Mine was,

um, mine was quite a weird one.

958

00:49:27,573 --> 00:49:28,946

I think about it now.

959

00:49:28,946 --> 00:49:30,319

Um, it was Gene Seberg.

960

00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:34,720

You know, the French actress, she was

in a Bouguere souffle, the French film.

961

00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:37,530

Um, she had a kind of crazy life.

962

00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:40,080

She, I think she ended up being

assassinated or something.

963

00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:48,010

She had had an affair with, um, she had

an affair with a politician, I think.

964

00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:51,260

And, uh, and there's a

mystery around her death.

965

00:49:51,269 --> 00:49:54,940

But, um, yeah, Jean Seberg,

the French, the French actress.

966

00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:56,270

She had really short hair.

967

00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,610

It's sort of Mia Farrow

esque in, in roses.

968

00:49:59,020 --> 00:49:59,350

Oh, okay.

969

00:49:59,350 --> 00:49:59,999

Okay.

970

00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,170

And

971

00:50:00,170 --> 00:50:04,165

Marc Preston: I just, And like,

what, what decade was she, I mean, I

972

00:50:04,175 --> 00:50:05,755

Dimitri Leonidas: guess it

was like French new wave.

973

00:50:05,755 --> 00:50:10,575

So it would be like, is that

the seventies, seventies, right?

974

00:50:10,635 --> 00:50:11,045

Yes.

975

00:50:11,055 --> 00:50:13,075

Marc Preston: That's about,

yeah, I'm learning things.

976

00:50:13,104 --> 00:50:14,980

I'm like, okay, I gotta go check this out.

977

00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:18,424

There are so many things that I happily

have not, you know, at my age, I'm

978

00:50:18,425 --> 00:50:19,455

like, you know, it's kind of cool.

979

00:50:19,455 --> 00:50:20,535

I haven't checked that out yet.

980

00:50:20,535 --> 00:50:20,805

Okay.

981

00:50:20,855 --> 00:50:24,405

Well, there's one more thing that I'm

not aware of and I get to go check out.

982

00:50:24,405 --> 00:50:27,185

So, uh, and I, and again, I learned that.

983

00:50:27,505 --> 00:50:32,245

Hey, you've, you, you know, the whole

connection with Han Solo and Hobremello.

984

00:50:32,415 --> 00:50:35,165

Uh, so that's part of the reason why I

like doing this because I learn things.

985

00:50:36,384 --> 00:50:39,605

Now, if you're going to be going to

live the next question, you're going

986

00:50:39,605 --> 00:50:43,495

to be on an exotic island somewhere,

somewhere you really want to be, but

987

00:50:43,495 --> 00:50:44,555

you're going to be there for a year.

988

00:50:44,565 --> 00:50:45,645

There's no internet.

989

00:50:46,144 --> 00:50:50,745

Um, so you need to bring one album

with you, a CD and one DVD, one movie.

990

00:50:50,775 --> 00:50:54,635

What would that one movie and one album

be that you could, that could ride

991

00:50:54,655 --> 00:50:56,055

out the year with you on the island?

992

00:50:56,110 --> 00:51:05,590

Dimitri Leonidas: The album that

springs to mind is, um, an album called

993

00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,770

Oakland Asylum by a band called Y.

994

00:51:11,339 --> 00:51:13,470

In fact, any one of

their albums I'll take.

995

00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:17,920

Um, it was an album, their music I

was listening to a lot in my twenties.

996

00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:23,265

Um, And it, it was just so different

to everything else I heard.

997

00:51:23,305 --> 00:51:23,565

And

998

00:51:23,605 --> 00:51:25,605

Marc Preston: like how, what

a genre does, do they fit

999

00:51:25,855 --> 00:51:26,845

Dimitri Leonidas: really hard to explain?

00:51:26,875 --> 00:51:28,185

I find it really hard to explain.

00:51:28,185 --> 00:51:33,995

Cause it's like, they kind of have

elements of, of like they developed

00:51:34,005 --> 00:51:38,524

something called like cloud rap,

this sort of hypnotic almost, Oh, you

00:51:38,524 --> 00:51:45,084

know, sounds over, um, over sometimes

incomprehensible, you know, lyrics that

00:51:45,084 --> 00:51:47,114

you just sort of almost meditative style.

00:51:47,255 --> 00:51:48,975

And then other times there's a sort of.

00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,380

You know, a kind of just, you

know, music band vibe as well.

00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:57,920

They're just sort of playing instruments

and, and, and singing, but they, they're

00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,970

from San Francisco, uh, I believe.

00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:05,119

And, uh, if you can get hold of any

of their albums, I, it's so cool.

00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,539

They're so sort of life affirming and fun.

00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,240

Marc Preston: Um, I definitely,

I definitely be checking out.

00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,220

Cause I like, again, I'm learning, you

know, and I've spent some time working

00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:18,100

radio and I got, there are very few genres

that I don't have some favorites in, but

00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:21,890

I like checking out things I've never

heard of before, you know, Cause I have

00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:28,180

a, I think some of my kids think I have

a weird taste of music, but I'm a weirdo.

00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:31,109

I like, I, you know, it's like, I got,

I got the things I like, you know,

00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:36,279

now the next question, if you were

to say, you know, we forgot actually

00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,380

what What the, what was the movie

going to be because we knew the album,

00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:40,700

I'm sorry, like brain farted there.

00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:41,970

What would the movie be for you?

00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,220

Maybe Chinatown.

00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:44,540

Ah, very good.

00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:46,570

Yeah, that, that, that's a good one.

00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:47,080

Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah.

00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:49,980

Marc Preston: I find myself sometimes

sitting on the sofa going, what

00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:51,779

have I not seen in a long time?

00:52:51,779 --> 00:52:53,810

I would like to go back and

check out like Chinatown.

00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:56,620

I haven't seen that in

20 years, you know, so

00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:58,850

Dimitri Leonidas: yeah, I

mean, it's, it's phenomenal.

00:52:58,850 --> 00:53:01,312

I'm, I'm definitely in the camp

of like one of the best sort

00:53:01,312 --> 00:53:02,329

of screenplays ever written.

00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:05,190

Marc Preston: Uh, now if you're

again for the next question, from

00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,430

the time you wake up to the time you

go to sleep, what are the component

00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:09,860

parts of a perfect day for you?

00:53:09,869 --> 00:53:14,010

What elements would be, you know, if

you said this was, this was a great day.

00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:14,590

Dimitri Leonidas: Okay.

00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:15,200

Okay.

00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,670

I like to get up and, and leave,

leave my flat quite quickly.

00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,085

Um, I just find getting up and

getting out is sort of an impulse

00:53:25,105 --> 00:53:29,475

for me that, that I, I like to do

it just sort of hanging around.

00:53:29,975 --> 00:53:34,085

I can, you know, get into a sort of

like waste an hour on the couch looking

00:53:34,085 --> 00:53:37,665

at my phone or, you know, so I like to

get out and go get a coffee somewhere.

00:53:38,405 --> 00:53:42,534

Um, a nice cafe, you

know, get my coffee in.

00:53:42,924 --> 00:53:47,595

Um, maybe, maybe do some

reading for an hour or so.

00:53:49,805 --> 00:53:54,535

And then, you know, I guess, I guess any

sort of combination or mixture of like,

00:53:55,145 --> 00:54:01,285

um, something active with whether it's

like indoor climbing or playing football

00:54:01,285 --> 00:54:06,344

at a certain point in that in the day,

um, some sort of physical activity, even

00:54:06,385 --> 00:54:07,854

half an hour at the gym or something.

00:54:08,475 --> 00:54:11,175

Um, get all the sort of

stuff done that I need to do.

00:54:11,175 --> 00:54:14,245

I like to get all that done early,

you know, if there's any emails or

00:54:14,245 --> 00:54:16,255

anything I've gotta send, um, right.

00:54:16,555 --> 00:54:17,335

Marc Preston: Yeah, I'm, I'm saying

00:54:17,845 --> 00:54:19,345

Dimitri Leonidas: that, you know, I

just, I just feel like it, it, it can

00:54:19,345 --> 00:54:22,135

linger in your head as the day goes

on, whereas if you get it sorted, I

00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:23,875

go the day the evening is now mine.

00:54:24,325 --> 00:54:27,325

Marc Preston: Um, you, you want

your day doing your thing and the

00:54:27,325 --> 00:54:29,425

only way you get there is getting

all the other stuff outta the way.

00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:29,490

Okay.

00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:29,810

Dimitri Leonidas: Well that's done.

00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,170

Um, and it would end with a film,

I guess, you know, and he cooked

00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:39,320

some nice food and, and some kind

of film would be, would be great.

00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:39,770

Yeah.

00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,060

Um, so it's not

00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:41,860

Marc Preston: tea, it's coffee.

00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:44,579

Dimitri Leonidas: Actually,

00:54:44,580 --> 00:54:46,560

Marc Preston: that's why my

daughter brought me back from Rome.

00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:51,415

There's two, two bags of, um,

coffee, like a coffee bean.

00:54:51,415 --> 00:54:53,595

So I'm like, I'm raring to get into that.

00:54:53,725 --> 00:54:54,845

My coffee grinder broke.

00:54:54,845 --> 00:54:58,005

So I got to buy another coffee

grinder so I can enjoy that.

00:54:58,405 --> 00:55:00,865

Um, now if you weren't doing the next

question, if you weren't doing this

00:55:00,865 --> 00:55:05,475

for a living, if this wasn't your

vocation, what could you see yourself

00:55:05,485 --> 00:55:07,464

finding joy in doing besides this?

00:55:07,735 --> 00:55:08,105

Dimitri Leonidas: Wow.

00:55:08,184 --> 00:55:12,054

I mean, as, as we spoke about earlier,

you know, because this has been such a.

00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:18,680

Part of my life since I was young, it is

hard to sort of pull out of this time zone

00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,069

and this reality and go, what would be an

alternative sort of reality to live in?

00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:28,739

And, and, um, in some ways it's cheating

a little bit because I would like

00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:30,550

to still do something in, in film.

00:55:30,979 --> 00:55:37,739

Um, but maybe if, if I had

to remove the film industry

00:55:37,919 --> 00:55:39,549

entirely or like the process of.

00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:42,210

Making films in any capacity.

00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:42,390

I

00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:49,130

really don't know and that's

kind of scary a little bit.

00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:52,360

Marc Preston: Um, that's actually

affirming because uh, Reaffirming

00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:55,809

that you're in the right place, you

know, if you can see if you can't

00:55:55,809 --> 00:55:57,900

see yourself doing anything else,

you know You're in the right place.

00:55:57,910 --> 00:56:01,529

Yes Yeah, you know, um, which I think all

actors have to have because you have to

00:56:01,530 --> 00:56:06,475

go through such an arc of experience At

least early on it's not very lucrative.

00:56:06,475 --> 00:56:09,515

Let's say, you know, well, the last

question I got for you, if you were to

00:56:09,515 --> 00:56:13,985

jump into that quintessential DeLorean

and travel back in time, 16 year old

00:56:13,985 --> 00:56:18,125

you, you're going to sit down and

have, uh, you know, some advice you can

00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:22,785

pass along to make that moment somehow

better or to make the, you know, set

00:56:22,785 --> 00:56:23,995

yourself up a little bit different.

00:56:24,434 --> 00:56:27,215

What would that piece of advice

be that you would offer yourself?

00:56:27,645 --> 00:56:30,495

Dimitri Leonidas: Um, it's always a

good question, you know, and it's like,

00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:37,080

I do sometimes think, you know,

what, what would, what would

00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,510

I do differently if you could?

00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:42,889

And, and in some ways I think because

of dealing with certain things when I

00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:49,480

was younger, I kind of had downloaded,

you know, certain experiences just offer

00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:56,420

an abundance of, of, of treasure in

terms of, of, you know, lessons learned.

00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:58,499

And so I think I've

always appreciated that.

00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:03,230

I've always had it in me to sort

of go, you know, don't always

00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:04,350

give yourself a hard time.

00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,000

Don't like berate yourself

when things go wrong.

00:57:07,439 --> 00:57:14,000

Um, and so I think, I think my

advice would be just to get going a

00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,410

little earlier on the things I love.

00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:16,679

I wish I wrote more.

00:57:17,579 --> 00:57:21,159

Um, I wish I'd got into a

habit of writing earlier.

00:57:21,709 --> 00:57:25,759

Um, I think being able to write

means you're able to think and

00:57:25,759 --> 00:57:26,839

you're able to communicate.

00:57:26,859 --> 00:57:30,519

And I think being able to communicate

puts you at such an advantage.

00:57:32,175 --> 00:57:36,135

Because you're just able to express ideas

to other people and share and, and, and

00:57:36,615 --> 00:57:40,225

I think writing is one of those things

that I kind of always wanted to do a

00:57:40,225 --> 00:57:42,735

little bit and never really committed.

00:57:42,735 --> 00:57:46,164

I think I would jump into that

a little bit earlier if I could.

00:57:46,624 --> 00:57:52,435

Um, and maybe even a few other things

like, you know, I wish I, I discovered

00:57:52,475 --> 00:57:53,865

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu quite late.

00:57:53,895 --> 00:57:56,587

I was, I was like 29 30

when I started doing it.

00:57:56,587 --> 00:57:56,784

And, um,

00:57:58,515 --> 00:57:59,155

Marc Preston: So it's kind of funny.

00:57:59,155 --> 00:58:03,045

Cause like, uh, I was a big fan of Anthony

Bourdain, you know, back in the day.

00:58:03,045 --> 00:58:06,225

I know he kind of came by that late

and then towards the end of his

00:58:06,225 --> 00:58:08,685

life, he was really great shape.

00:58:08,785 --> 00:58:10,294

I was like, maybe that's an idea for me.

00:58:10,294 --> 00:58:13,725

I'm like, I'm too lazy for that, but it's.

00:58:14,105 --> 00:58:15,615

But it's a good on you for that.

00:58:15,615 --> 00:58:19,725

But, but I'll tell you what, uh, Dimitri,

I really appreciate you taking time.

00:58:19,785 --> 00:58:22,855

I'm looking forward to getting,

getting further into those

00:58:22,865 --> 00:58:24,815

about to die as it comes out.

00:58:24,914 --> 00:58:25,935

Uh, July 18th.

00:58:27,664 --> 00:58:28,124

Yeah.

00:58:28,265 --> 00:58:28,585

Yeah.

00:58:28,664 --> 00:58:29,715

I've, I've enjoyed it.

00:58:30,244 --> 00:58:31,035

I've gotten into it.

00:58:31,835 --> 00:58:33,955

And I kind of want to kind of

like pace myself because I have

00:58:33,955 --> 00:58:35,355

this habit of binging things.

00:58:35,365 --> 00:58:36,235

Yeah, yeah, I know that.

00:58:36,435 --> 00:58:37,415

Now it's gone, you know.

00:58:37,675 --> 00:58:37,945

Dimitri Leonidas: Yeah, that's it.

00:58:38,975 --> 00:58:39,805

Marc Preston: Well, thank you again.

00:58:39,805 --> 00:58:40,915

I so appreciate it.

00:58:40,965 --> 00:58:42,335

But, uh, take care.

00:58:43,285 --> 00:58:43,725

Dimitri Leonidas: very much.

00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:46,375

Marc Preston: All right, there you go.

00:58:46,395 --> 00:58:47,675

Dimitri Leonidas.

00:58:47,965 --> 00:58:50,725

It's the new show, Those About to Die.

00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,905

It's on Peacock coming out July 18th.

00:58:54,215 --> 00:58:55,165

Very good show.

00:58:55,175 --> 00:58:56,425

Really enjoyed the series.

00:58:56,835 --> 00:59:00,855

It's based again in the Roman

Empire and it is very expansive,

00:59:00,865 --> 00:59:02,435

visually cool to check out.

00:59:02,725 --> 00:59:03,695

Uh, great stories.

00:59:03,735 --> 00:59:05,125

I mean, it's just a fun ride.

00:59:05,135 --> 00:59:06,155

I think you'll enjoy it.

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