Chris Baker | Creating Your Own Story

The Mike First Love was always a movie's

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Chris Baker: The amount of entertainment that I derived

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Chris Baker: from the theatrical experience.

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Chris Baker: It was like going to church for me.

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

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Announcer: Now here's your host, Marc Preston.

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Marc Preston: Well, welcome back.

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Marc Preston: How are you?

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Marc Preston: I'm Marc Preston and this is Story and

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Marc Preston: Craft, and I am so jazzed that you are back.

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Marc Preston: If you've checked out previous episodes,

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Marc Preston: another episode, and if you are new to the

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Marc Preston: I promise I won't stink up the joint.

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Marc Preston: You'll enjoy yourself, I promise.

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Marc Preston: And I tell you, this week we have a great

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Marc Preston: episode a guy named Chris Baker you may

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Marc Preston: know him from YouTube or maybe not, but he

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Marc Preston: has got his very first feature length film

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Marc Preston: It's on Hulu.

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Marc Preston: It's called the Estate and he wrote it and

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Marc Preston: he is the lead actor in it and it's a

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Marc Preston: really cool conversation about movie making

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Marc Preston: and how to kind of create your own thing

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Marc Preston: And anybody who's an actor or a creative,

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Marc Preston: where you can create your thing and get it

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Marc Preston: The inspiration's right here, with a guy

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Marc Preston: who got it done Again, chris Baker.

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Marc Preston: So glad to have him this week and I'm

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Marc Preston: It's a great conversation and don't forget

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Marc Preston: You know we got some cool episodes in the

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Marc Preston: library already, some very cool episodes on

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Marc Preston: the way, but this week, right now, it's

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Marc Preston: Chris Baker Day, right here on Story and

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Chris Baker: Just so you know, I am in Mammoth right now

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Chris Baker: and my husband and all of his friends at

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Chris Baker: some point will be walking not through here,

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Chris Baker: but in the house that we're staying in.

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Chris Baker: And they're like I don't think when that

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Chris Baker: I will let you know when I hear.

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Chris Baker: You'll let me know if you hear it, and then

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Chris Baker: we'll be good.

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Marc Preston: You know that makes it more interesting.

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Marc Preston: Probably hear my daughter texting me right

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Marc Preston: now, so it's like I got to put that on mute.

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Marc Preston: But, man, congratulations, by the way, on

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Marc Preston: the film.

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Marc Preston: On the film, what an accomplishment.

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Marc Preston: I mean I'm so glad that we're here To write

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Marc Preston: something and to also get it on Now.

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Marc Preston: I mean all the different things that have

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Marc Preston: to go right before you get a movie into the

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Marc Preston: I mean all along the line.

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Marc Preston: So congratulations on that.

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Marc Preston: Definitely want to talk about the movie,

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Marc Preston: without a doubt.

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Marc Preston: I watched it the other night.

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Marc Preston: Sit down on my laptop and my sofa, I'm like,

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Marc Preston: oh, a little mystery going on and like,

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Marc Preston: within the first couple minutes, man, you

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Marc Preston: I'm like, all right, this is what we're

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Marc Preston: I mean, so it's, it was a lot of fun.

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Marc Preston: I will say that I had a blast.

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Marc Preston: In fact, last night I didn't, you know, I

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Marc Preston: saw you did the your YouTube series, the

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Marc Preston: one about you being afraid to speak with

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Marc Preston: somebody who is British because it affects

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Marc Preston: your accident, affects you.

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Marc Preston: I, I just it.

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Marc Preston: It rang so true.

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Marc Preston: There was this girl in college.

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Marc Preston: I remember that any time she had a little

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Marc Preston: too much to drink, she suddenly put on a

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Marc Preston: British accent.

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Marc Preston: We don't know where it came from.

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Marc Preston: So I was like that.

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Marc Preston: That just kind of resonated with me.

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Marc Preston: It was hilarious.

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Chris Baker: I think that's had a lot of fun with that.

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Chris Baker: I think there's a medical term for that

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Marc Preston: Sorority, I think the term but, no, but,

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Marc Preston: but no.

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Marc Preston: Seriously, though, congratulations, man.

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Marc Preston: I have to say I'm kind of getting

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Marc Preston: introduced to you, but it's a pleasure,

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Marc Preston: it's a.

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Marc Preston: It's a fun introduction because I didn't

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Marc Preston: know about your web series and I checked

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Marc Preston: that out and I noticed there is said a lot

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Marc Preston: of the videos were not available yet.

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Marc Preston: I was like, damn you, you wet my appetite.

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Marc Preston: I wanted to know more, I wanted to you know,

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Marc Preston: watch more.

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Chris Baker: So, with my web series that was called

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Chris Baker: Baker Daily, what happened there was we did

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Chris Baker: really well and it was on Funny or Die and

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Chris Baker: on YouTube and it was about this very I

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Chris Baker: played up and I wrote it myself and it was.

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Chris Baker: It was about a very inept cable news anchor

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Chris Baker: who stumbles into impeaching Donald Trump

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Chris Baker: with this explosive story that he finds

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Chris Baker: about his wife and his and one of his

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Chris Baker: I mean, it was right around 2017, 2018 when

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Chris Baker: and people were loving it and then, slowly,

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Chris Baker: there were some Trump people that found it

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Chris Baker: and then I think there was a whole Reddit

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Chris Baker: thread about how they needed to find my

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Chris Baker: address and I started getting death threats

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Chris Baker: and I and my producers we were kind of

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Chris Baker: the best course of action would be to to

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Chris Baker: take it down.

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Chris Baker: For now I would hope that it could live,

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Chris Baker: but that that is the story and that is why

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Chris Baker: currently it is not available anywhere,

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Chris Baker: because I love comedy and I and I I love

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Chris Baker: what I do.

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Chris Baker: I do love my life just a little bit.

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Marc Preston: I do like, I do like living, and that's a

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Marc Preston: sad thing about that.

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Marc Preston: You talk about a group of people, about

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Marc Preston: Constitution and country and First

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Marc Preston: Amendment right there and, and satire is is.

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Marc Preston: I think comedy is one of the ways we kind

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Marc Preston: of keep people honest in a way.

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Marc Preston: And going back to even George Carlin boy, I

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Marc Preston: because he got it right, didn't he?

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Marc Preston: But I was curious though, with with the

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Marc Preston: movie and looking at the diversity between

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Marc Preston: A little different, most certainly, but the

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Marc Preston: thing about the through line is the you

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Marc Preston: have such a fun comedic like your timing is

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Marc Preston: just so fun to watch.

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Marc Preston: You know there's some people that is fun to

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Marc Preston: watch as much as they are delivering lines,

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Marc Preston: and I got a kick out of that.

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Marc Preston: But were you when you were coming up?

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Marc Preston: I mean, what were you like watching

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Marc Preston: comedians when?

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Marc Preston: I mean, who were you like North Stars when

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Marc Preston: it came to, you know, inspiration and stuff.

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I.

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Chris Baker: So I grew up basically watching Seinfeld,

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Chris Baker: friends and Sex in the City just about

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Chris Baker: every single intonation, every single sort

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Chris Baker: of thing about those characters.

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Chris Baker: I also watched a lot and even now of Family

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Chris Baker: Guy and South Park we talk about satire or

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Chris Baker: parody, or I mean truly ridiculousness,

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Chris Baker: that that just takes it so far and 30 rock

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Chris Baker: as well.

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Chris Baker: So those TV shows are really important for

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Chris Baker: me when I was growing up, but the my first

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Chris Baker: love was always movies and the amount of

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Chris Baker: entertainment that I derived from the

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Chris Baker: theatrical experience.

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Chris Baker: It was like going to church for me and it

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Chris Baker: truly was.

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Chris Baker: It was a religious experience, and the

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Chris Baker: longer I've been around, the longer I see

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Chris Baker: there are less and less movies where their

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Chris Baker: aim is to entertain, and I think right now

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Chris Baker: we have Marvel and we have a lot of I don't

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Chris Baker: know how to put it but like movies with a

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Chris Baker: They're like message movies that are often

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Chris Baker: independently made, that win a lot of

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Chris Baker: awards but no one goes to see, or if people

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Chris Baker: see them, they don't carry the same weight

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Chris Baker: and they don't have that life that can live

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Chris Baker: and be aired on cable forever.

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Chris Baker: I mean the movies that I watched on HBO

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Chris Baker: when I was way too young to see.

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Chris Baker: Them were like my best friend's wedding and

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Chris Baker: the net, and there were just these movies

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Chris Baker: that I thought were just there to divert

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Chris Baker: people for two hours and just entertain you

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Chris Baker: and just transport you.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, there's a Zen to just getting out of

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Marc Preston: And I think not.

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Marc Preston: And wouldn't that be nice yeah that's where

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Marc Preston: I think Judd Apatow is sort of our.

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Marc Preston: He's a prince of these kind of movies.

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Marc Preston: I remember back when Chris I can't remember,

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Marc Preston: I think it's Chris also, I think it's his

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Marc Preston: name they did the American Pie and all

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Marc Preston: those.

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Chris Baker: I remember seeing an interview back when

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Chris Baker: they oh, I loved those movies, yeah, when

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Chris Baker: I remember he was being interviewed.

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Marc Preston: Yeah, well, it's somehow like better than

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Marc Preston: others.

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Marc Preston: But he said listen, there aren't any good

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Marc Preston: rated R movies anymore.

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Marc Preston: You know, and I remember him saying this is

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Marc Preston: an interview, there's not a lot of stuff in

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Chris Baker: I mean, I grew up watching, you know this.

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Chris Baker: This movie, the Estate, which is available

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Chris Baker: on Hulu now, is heavily based on movies

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Chris Baker: like Cruel Intentions and Wild Things, and

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Chris Baker: there was a smaller film but it was still,

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Chris Baker: I think was released by Sony many years ago

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Chris Baker: called Jawbreaker, with Rose McGowan and

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Chris Baker: these very very hippie, like crazy movies,

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Chris Baker: but where the characters were manipulating

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Chris Baker: each other with sex.

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Chris Baker: And now, when I see a lot of movies today

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Marc Preston: Yeah, Ricky Gervais got it right when he

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Chris Baker: And it wasn't that fun to have people kind

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Marc Preston: Indeed indeed, yeah Well the question I've

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Chris Baker: Stuff that I did was based around the

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Chris Baker: I would not have stood in the way of that

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Chris Baker: But you know, there are no gay movie stars.

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Marc Preston: It seems like they feature gay characters

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Marc Preston: They're not a cliche, you know.

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Chris Baker: Absolutely there.

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Chris Baker: There, you know, I mean there's universal

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Chris Baker: Right now is I think they already completed

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Chris Baker: It's called Bros and it's with Billy

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Chris Baker: That's the first film of its kind and

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Chris Baker: Things are changing and I'm very proud that

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Marc Preston: Did you see the movie Booksmart, bonnie

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Chris Baker: I did yeah.

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Marc Preston: Well now, it's just, it's just not even

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Marc Preston: It's just, it's just part of what it you

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Marc Preston: So I think naturally the offshoot is we

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Marc Preston: It's not held up as a cliche.

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Chris Baker: And look, I want to.

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Chris Baker: You know, I should make clear that there is

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Marc Preston: So I think that you know, there are

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Chris Baker: Oh my God, so many people.

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Chris Baker: I worshiped at the altar of movie stars, I

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Marc Preston: You can't look at Brad Pitt.

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Chris Baker: just be in awe every time.

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Chris Baker: You know anyone who was ever in Boogie

490

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Chris Baker: Nights or Magnolia, and, and you know

491

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Chris Baker: Robert De Niro too, and there are a lot,

492

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Chris Baker: but the ones that just changed the culture.

493

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Chris Baker: And also, you know, they made great films,

494

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Chris Baker: but they also kept their eye on making sure

495

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Chris Baker: that they made movies that could be

496

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Chris Baker: commercially successful so that they would

497

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Chris Baker: please and entertain an audience.

498

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Chris Baker: That was really, you know, that wasn't just

499

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Chris Baker: this pursuit of artistic pleasure just

500

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Chris Baker: solely for themselves.

501

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Chris Baker: They wanted to do that for audiences.

502

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Chris Baker: It was what they're calling was.

503

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Marc Preston: As a writer and of course you did the

504

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Marc Preston: screenplay are you sort of like the school

505

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Marc Preston: thought that if they don't get all the

506

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Marc Preston: words, just quite right?

507

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Marc Preston: Is it like I really want this to be, you

508

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Marc Preston: know, kind of locked in, kind of like I'm

509

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Marc Preston: brain farting right now again?

510

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Marc Preston: But he wrote the West Wing.

511

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Marc Preston: Oh, aaron Sorkin, yeah, he's very, all the

512

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Marc Preston: words are very measured and carry weight

513

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Marc Preston: and you got.

514

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Marc Preston: He wants them to be all in there.

515

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Marc Preston: Are you like more like that or are you more

516

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Marc Preston: like, hey, I'm into improvisation.

517

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Chris Baker: I was into both, I think, our.

518

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Chris Baker: You know the director of the film, james

519

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Chris Baker: Kappner, who you know I've known for years,

520

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Chris Baker: who I collaborated with for so long.

521

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Chris Baker: I think we both went into this this feeling

522

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Chris Baker: so lucky with the cast that we had.

523

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Chris Baker: You know, eric Roberts plays my father, and

524

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Chris Baker: you know Eliza Koop from Happy Endings and

525

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Chris Baker: on this new show that's on Fox right now

526

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Chris Baker: called Pivoting, she plays my stepmother,

527

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Chris Baker: and Greg Finley, who's, you know, been on

528

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Chris Baker: all of these hunky TV shows for years,

529

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Chris Baker: played the hitman that we hire, and Heather

530

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Chris Baker: Madarato, who is, you know, part of the

531

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Chris Baker: this great indie tradition of filmmaking.

532

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Chris Baker: We were just so lucky to have these people

533

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Chris Baker: that it was.

534

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Chris Baker: We sort of, without even saying anything,

535

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Chris Baker: left it up to them.

536

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Chris Baker: So if there were things in the moment that

537

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Chris Baker: Eliza and I were playing off of each other,

538

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Chris Baker: by the way, that relationship you all have.

539

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Marc Preston: I think watching this it's worth watching

540

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Marc Preston: just to see the relationship with the two

541

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Marc Preston: of you.

542

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Marc Preston: Just, it's just.

543

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Marc Preston: It is a, it's a, it's a well executed hot

544

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Marc Preston: mess.

545

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Marc Preston: So we'll say that that is.

546

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Marc Preston: You're all biased.

547

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I'm biased, obviously, but the we

548

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Chris Baker: knew that we had something really special,

549

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Chris Baker: comedically, when we would have to stop

550

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Chris Baker: rolling the camera because the director of

551

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Chris Baker: photography was laughing so hard that he

552

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Chris Baker: was shaking the camera.

553

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Chris Baker: You know the fact that that Eliza and I

554

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Chris Baker: just really we didn't know each other

555

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Chris Baker: before this and we, you know, we met about

556

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Chris Baker: the roles.

557

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Chris Baker: She didn't audition, you know, we were just

558

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Chris Baker: talking about the role with her and the

559

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Chris Baker: chemistry that we had within literally 10

560

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Chris Baker: seconds of her sitting down was just so

561

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Chris Baker: plainly evident that people were like this

562

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Chris Baker: is it?

563

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Chris Baker: The role is hers and and she owned it.

564

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Chris Baker: So back to your question.

565

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Chris Baker: I, you know it depended on the person and I

566

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Chris Baker: think what we wanted was to make sure that

567

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Chris Baker: the information in each scene came out,

568

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Chris Baker: because it is structured as a mystery and

569

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Chris Baker: you want each piece to guide the audience

570

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Chris Baker: along.

571

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Chris Baker: But if there's no, we'll say there is.

572

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Marc Preston: There's a lot of.

573

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Marc Preston: There's at least a good handful of times

574

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Marc Preston: I'm like I don't know where this is, though.

575

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Marc Preston: I didn't know what's going there.

576

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Marc Preston: And how often do you watch a movie?

577

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Marc Preston: Now You're like you can just see the

578

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Marc Preston: trailer and go.

579

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Marc Preston: I know basically what's going to happen in

580

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Marc Preston: this movie.

581

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Marc Preston: You know a lot of romantic comedies like

582

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Marc Preston: this.

583

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Marc Preston: If somebody watches this, they say, oh, I

584

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Marc Preston: know where this is going.

585

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Marc Preston: They're wrong.

586

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Marc Preston: You know which is kind of fun.

587

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Marc Preston: You know to to be taken on, that, like I

588

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Marc Preston: said at the outset, you're kind of going to

589

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Marc Preston: ride in this movie.

590

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Chris Baker: So not easy to do, you know.

591

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Chris Baker: I think that we we really made sure and and

592

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Chris Baker: it took, it took a while to kind of it took

593

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Chris Baker: a while to find that magic where we were

594

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Chris Baker: not kind of like showing so much exposition

595

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Chris Baker: and and you know, detailing so much for,

596

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Chris Baker: for for the audience, that we were just

597

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Chris Baker: kind of, you know, talking at them rather

598

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Chris Baker: than making them feel where this story was

599

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Chris Baker: going and feel where the actors and the

600

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Chris Baker: characters would show on screen that they

601

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Chris Baker: had to make these decisions, that they had

602

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Chris Baker: to go to those places.

603

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Marc Preston: Yeah, you know, anytime Eric Roberts shows

604

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Marc Preston: up in a movie, it's just like you know it's

605

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Marc Preston: going to get good in a moment, not that it

606

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Marc Preston: wasn't good already, it's just.

607

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Marc Preston: You know, eric Roberts brings kind of his

608

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Marc Preston: own kind of special sauce to things.

609

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Marc Preston: You know, which was you know and I'm so.

610

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Marc Preston: There are things I want to discuss like but

611

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Marc Preston: if I do it'll be a spoiler.

612

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Marc Preston: Don't want to do that.

613

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Marc Preston: But when you, as far as the inspiration for

614

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Marc Preston: this was there, you talked about the like

615

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Marc Preston: cruel intentions and things like that had,

616

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Marc Preston: had you sat down and thought I want to make

617

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Marc Preston: a movie in that tone, in that vibe, or were

618

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Marc Preston: you just kind of like blank slate?

619

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Marc Preston: Or what inspired you to kind of sit down in

620

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Marc Preston: front of your editor or your your word

621

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Marc Preston: processor and start typing this up?

622

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Chris Baker: I had.

623

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Chris Baker: That's a good question.

624

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Chris Baker: The best way I can answer it is this I

625

00:23:17,344 --> 00:23:20,611

Chris Baker: thought that something was lost in movies

626

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Chris Baker: and I wanted to create a movie that I wish

627

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Chris Baker: existed and it was.

628

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Chris Baker: It would be something that was campy and

629

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Chris Baker: fun, but kind of dirty and sexy and a

630

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Chris Baker: little perverted and naughty and violent

631

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Chris Baker: and all of these sort of things that I felt

632

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Chris Baker: like really weren't a part of movies very

633

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Chris Baker: often anymore.

634

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Chris Baker: And the best way that I thought that could

635

00:23:50,459 --> 00:23:52,183

Chris Baker: make these characters do all of these

636

00:23:52,243 --> 00:23:54,736

Chris Baker: horrible things is money, because when you

637

00:23:54,756 --> 00:23:57,462

Chris Baker: look at our society today, people are less

638

00:23:57,502 --> 00:23:59,507

Chris Baker: and less religious, people are more

639

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Chris Baker: politically, you know, identified, but

640

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Chris Baker: after my experience with the web series, I

641

00:24:03,838 --> 00:24:05,193

Chris Baker: definitely didn't want to touch anything

642

00:24:05,214 --> 00:24:05,656

Chris Baker: political.

643

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Marc Preston: After after that, it's probably like you're

644

00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,709

Marc Preston: staying not even in the same zip code of

645

00:24:09,943 --> 00:24:10,224

Marc Preston: anything.

646

00:24:10,457 --> 00:24:12,753

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah.

647

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Chris Baker: So so the thing that people seem to worship,

648

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Chris Baker: no matter who they are, no matter where

649

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Chris Baker: they're from, no matter what their gender

650

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Chris Baker: identity is, no matter what their sexuality

651

00:24:23,337 --> 00:24:25,561

Chris Baker: is, no matter what their race is, our

652

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Chris Baker: classes is money White people, black people,

653

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Chris Baker: rich people, poor people.

654

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Marc Preston: Okay, Well, you also touched on the whole

655

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Marc Preston: status thing.

656

00:24:33,893 --> 00:24:36,083

Marc Preston: Yeah, again, it's not a family movie, but I

657

00:24:36,124 --> 00:24:37,591

Marc Preston: mean, come on, this is a pure like date

658

00:24:37,631 --> 00:24:39,538

Marc Preston: night bottle of wine, just kick back.

659

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Marc Preston: And I mean it's on Hulu, it's easily

660

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Marc Preston: accessible, of course.

661

00:24:44,353 --> 00:24:46,379

Marc Preston: But when you were you coming, did you come

662

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Marc Preston: from a family that was creatively inclined,

663

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Marc Preston: or are you kind of the first one in the

664

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Marc Preston: family to kind of jump into this pool?

665

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Chris Baker: The very, very first one.

666

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Chris Baker: Yeah, I was a little good student and I

667

00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:06,631

Chris Baker: worked really hard in school and I ended up

668

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Chris Baker: going to great college and I was, but I was

669

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Chris Baker: studying film while I was there and so I

670

00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:13,376

Chris Baker: think it was always a foregone conclusion

671

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Chris Baker: that I would be doing this.

672

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Chris Baker: But it it took these different turns, but

673

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Chris Baker: my family was always very appreciative of

674

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Chris Baker: the arts and loved loved, so you had the

675

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Chris Baker: support.

676

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Marc Preston: In other words, this was not like what are

677

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Marc Preston: you doing?

678

00:25:30,324 --> 00:25:31,791

Marc Preston: Yeah, choose a more sensible gig.

679

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Marc Preston: What are you doing?

680

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Marc Preston: They were, they were getting behind you.

681

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Chris Baker: No, yeah, To know me is to know that there

682

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Chris Baker: was no other path for me.

683

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Chris Baker: So I think my parents and my older sister,

684

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Chris Baker: they looked at me and they're like this is

685

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Chris Baker: it?

686

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Chris Baker: He's not going to flip the script and go to

687

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Chris Baker: dental school, it's just not in the cards.

688

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Chris Baker: So if he's going to do this, then we just

689

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Chris Baker: really wish him the best.

690

00:25:55,651 --> 00:25:58,159

Chris Baker: They had no idea how to help me and I moved

691

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Chris Baker: here with no connections or to LA with no

692

00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:03,654

Chris Baker: like anything in my wheelhouse that could

693

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Chris Baker: help me.

694

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Marc Preston: Where are you from originally, though?

695

00:26:06,786 --> 00:26:07,308

Chris Baker: New York City.

696

00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:08,974

Marc Preston: Oh, okay, Well, that's still.

697

00:26:09,697 --> 00:26:11,823

Marc Preston: You're not coming from Topeka Kansas.

698

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Chris Baker: No, no, no, it was a long long stage and

699

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Chris Baker: sort of musical theater type people, which

700

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Chris Baker: was not my bag, Even though I'm gay, I

701

00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:21,314

Chris Baker: don't know why.

702

00:26:21,334 --> 00:26:23,661

Chris Baker: Musical theater just I can appreciate it,

703

00:26:23,701 --> 00:26:25,788

Chris Baker: but it's not something that you know just

704

00:26:26,369 --> 00:26:28,917

Chris Baker: works for me, it was always just movies.

705

00:26:29,458 --> 00:26:33,748

Chris Baker: So the idea that I would start from scratch

706

00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:37,356

Chris Baker: happened with my first opportunity, which

707

00:26:37,397 --> 00:26:41,088

Chris Baker: was reading scripts and watching films that

708

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Chris Baker: didn't have distribution yet, as an intern

709

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Chris Baker: for the Weinstein Company, which was quite

710

00:26:47,228 --> 00:26:48,412

Chris Baker: an eye-opening experience.

711

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Marc Preston: Oh, I'm sure, at many, many levels yeah.

712

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Chris Baker: Yeah, and I did retail for years and in

713

00:26:56,868 --> 00:26:58,777

Chris Baker: that in of itself was sort of a performance

714

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Chris Baker: for a first person.

715

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Marc Preston: That's my 16-year-old daughter.

716

00:27:02,565 --> 00:27:05,218

Marc Preston: Whenever I go to eat, she's seems enamored

717

00:27:05,278 --> 00:27:06,825

Marc Preston: by working at a restaurant.

718

00:27:06,865 --> 00:27:08,472

Marc Preston: I'm like you know, do what you want.

719

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Marc Preston: I think everyone should work in the service

720

00:27:10,399 --> 00:27:13,069

Marc Preston: industry or retail, at least once you know

721

00:27:13,752 --> 00:27:14,454

Marc Preston: 100%.

722

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Marc Preston: What do you think about the transition to

723

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Marc Preston: people watching more at home?

724

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Marc Preston: Naturally over the last couple of years

725

00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:21,040

Marc Preston: that's.

726

00:27:21,642 --> 00:27:23,046

Marc Preston: I mean, that's got to be where it's at, but

727

00:27:24,335 --> 00:27:24,797

Marc Preston: used to be.

728

00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,839

Marc Preston: If you were a TV actor.

729

00:27:25,859 --> 00:27:26,641

Marc Preston: You're a TV actor.

730

00:27:26,842 --> 00:27:28,706

Marc Preston: You're not crossing over in the film.

731

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Marc Preston: Back in the area you're talking about,

732

00:27:31,123 --> 00:27:32,368

Marc Preston: you'd rarely see that happen.

733

00:27:32,429 --> 00:27:33,433

Marc Preston: Now nobody cares.

734

00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,801

Marc Preston: You're going film TV and the blur is the

735

00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:37,547

Marc Preston: lines of what TV is anymore.

736

00:27:39,072 --> 00:27:40,656

Marc Preston: What do you think about that kind of change

737

00:27:40,717 --> 00:27:43,143

Marc Preston: and things being consumable at home without

738

00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:43,905

Marc Preston: having to go to the theater?

739

00:27:43,986 --> 00:27:46,658

Marc Preston: Or do you miss the big releases on a big

740

00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:47,018

Marc Preston: screen?

741

00:27:49,302 --> 00:27:50,784

Chris Baker: It's a complicated question.

742

00:27:52,447 --> 00:27:54,090

Chris Baker: I'm afraid it has a complicated answer.

743

00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:57,243

Chris Baker: I think change like this for this industry

744

00:27:57,303 --> 00:27:58,366

Chris Baker: is neither good nor bad.

745

00:27:58,406 --> 00:27:58,947

Chris Baker: It just is.

746

00:28:00,756 --> 00:28:02,481

Chris Baker: The most important thing is that people are

747

00:28:02,522 --> 00:28:02,903

Chris Baker: watching.

748

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Chris Baker: I do think that movies suffered and because

749

00:28:08,499 --> 00:28:11,805

Chris Baker: people, in my opinion, were burned over and

750

00:28:11,985 --> 00:28:15,937

Chris Baker: over and over and over again, paying single

751

00:28:15,997 --> 00:28:18,728

Chris Baker: tickets to watch a film, either in the

752

00:28:18,768 --> 00:28:19,772

Chris Baker: theater or on demand.

753

00:28:19,792 --> 00:28:20,575

Marc Preston: It's kind of a sell-out.

754

00:28:20,635 --> 00:28:22,380

Marc Preston: It's kind of good You're buying CDs back in

755

00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,265

Marc Preston: the day, spending $25 on a CD.

756

00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:25,187

Marc Preston: Only one song is good.

757

00:28:25,415 --> 00:28:26,057

Marc Preston: Yeah, that feeling.

758

00:28:26,077 --> 00:28:27,782

Chris Baker: Yeah absolutely.

759

00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:32,474

Chris Baker: In my opinion, it wasn't just the ease and

760

00:28:32,494 --> 00:28:35,560

Chris Baker: the streaming giants, the tech giants

761

00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:39,027

Chris Baker: trying to squeeze out the theatrical

762

00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:39,468

Chris Baker: experience.

763

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Chris Baker: I also think that the public soured on the

764

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Chris Baker: movies because the movies were not as

765

00:28:46,926 --> 00:28:49,656

Chris Baker: entertaining as they were before, and the

766

00:28:49,696 --> 00:28:53,043

Chris Baker: movies that are really there with the huge

767

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Chris Baker: budgets, that are there to entertain solely,

768

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Chris Baker: are the ones that are doing the best now.

769

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Marc Preston: Would you say it's more of the safe choices

770

00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:05,582

Marc Preston: they're taking the safe way out.

771

00:29:05,603 --> 00:29:07,366

Chris Baker: Yes, and the family films where it's a

772

00:29:07,426 --> 00:29:10,496

Chris Baker: whole outing for the whole family, that

773

00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:12,802

Chris Baker: makes a lot of sense, the four quadrant

774

00:29:12,942 --> 00:29:13,062

Chris Baker: ones.

775

00:29:13,143 --> 00:29:15,047

Chris Baker: But the movies that had smaller audiences,

776

00:29:15,996 --> 00:29:19,244

Chris Baker: even before COVID, were finding their

777

00:29:19,405 --> 00:29:21,932

Chris Baker: audiences when they arrived on a streamer,

778

00:29:22,353 --> 00:29:24,661

Chris Baker: not when they were released day in date on

779

00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:27,792

Chris Baker: demand in theaters or once they won awards.

780

00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:29,537

Chris Baker: It was always when they were on a streamer

781

00:29:29,577 --> 00:29:30,700

Chris Baker: people were scrolling through.

782

00:29:31,121 --> 00:29:32,505

Marc Preston: So you think kind of the COVID maybe

783

00:29:32,585 --> 00:29:34,741

Marc Preston: changed, kind of accelerated something that

784

00:29:34,781 --> 00:29:36,609

Marc Preston: was already in play, do you think?

785

00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:38,957

Chris Baker: people were moving that direction anyway.

786

00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:42,385

Chris Baker: Yes, there's no doubt, and I also think

787

00:29:42,525 --> 00:29:46,735

Chris Baker: that if you're going to have everything

788

00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:51,605

Chris Baker: available for everyone forever, there is a

789

00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:55,494

Chris Baker: lot of older stuff that many people haven't

790

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Chris Baker: seen.

791

00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:59,142

Chris Baker: Still that can be better than what's

792

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Chris Baker: currently available now.

793

00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:05,878

Chris Baker: So when you're at a theater, you see the

794

00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,947

Chris Baker: marquee and they're like five names, and so

795

00:30:09,388 --> 00:30:12,155

Chris Baker: more or less in that area where the theater

796

00:30:12,355 --> 00:30:15,521

Chris Baker: is serving, the public is sort of choosing

797

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Chris Baker: between those five movies.

798

00:30:17,685 --> 00:30:23,642

Chris Baker: When you're on your couch, you have a

799

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Chris Baker: hundred different apps with thousands of

800

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Chris Baker: movies and thousands of TV shows to choose

801

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Chris Baker: from, not to mention your phone, which has

802

00:30:32,986 --> 00:30:35,654

Chris Baker: multiple social media networks and constant

803

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Chris Baker: video content as well.

804

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Chris Baker: So if someone is actually getting your

805

00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:42,229

Chris Baker: attention enough for you to click on the

806

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Chris Baker: thing and then you're actually watching it

807

00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:46,654

Chris Baker: long enough, all the way through in one

808

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Chris Baker: sitting, I mean that's a miracle in and of

809

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Chris Baker: itself.

810

00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,082

Chris Baker: It really is.

811

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Chris Baker: So I prefer still to this day if a movie is

812

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Chris Baker: worth my time.

813

00:30:57,663 --> 00:30:59,387

Chris Baker: Although it's always a gamble, let's be

814

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Chris Baker: honest.

815

00:31:02,356 --> 00:31:04,343

Chris Baker: If you're going to take a chance on a film,

816

00:31:05,507 --> 00:31:07,494

Chris Baker: I would rather have the phone away, I would

817

00:31:07,515 --> 00:31:09,482

Chris Baker: rather have the popcorn, and I'd either go

818

00:31:09,522 --> 00:31:12,092

Chris Baker: alone or with some friends or with my

819

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Chris Baker: family or something, and sit and watch it

820

00:31:14,298 --> 00:31:16,623

Chris Baker: and be enveloped by the screen and kind of

821

00:31:16,684 --> 00:31:18,588

Chris Baker: have it wash over you and sort of be

822

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Chris Baker: transported.

823

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Marc Preston: It's a strangely communal kind of a thing.

824

00:31:23,084 --> 00:31:26,897

Marc Preston: I just it's seeing movies in a theater and

825

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Marc Preston: I think it's Spielberg said something that

826

00:31:28,564 --> 00:31:30,894

Marc Preston: we're entering an era where the only movies

827

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Marc Preston: that will show up in theaters are going to

828

00:31:32,103 --> 00:31:33,230

Marc Preston: be the big blockbusters, are going to be

829

00:31:33,271 --> 00:31:34,740

Marc Preston: hanging out in theaters for a long time.

830

00:31:35,203 --> 00:31:36,430

Marc Preston: Now it's like something's in the theater.

831

00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:37,175

Marc Preston: I'm like I got to see that.

832

00:31:37,195 --> 00:31:38,619

Marc Preston: Oh, it's already out of the theater.

833

00:31:40,124 --> 00:31:42,492

Marc Preston: But I think streaming for me it's.

834

00:31:42,773 --> 00:31:44,879

Marc Preston: I like being able to find those gyms, it's

835

00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:47,046

Marc Preston: like things that I never would have found

836

00:31:47,528 --> 00:31:50,658

Marc Preston: otherwise and I think it's almost gets into

837

00:31:51,882 --> 00:31:53,809

Marc Preston: not a niche necessarily, but things that

838

00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:56,036

Marc Preston: are like I know I can watch this and I'll

839

00:31:56,076 --> 00:31:59,083

Marc Preston: really like it, and probably my kids may or

840

00:31:59,123 --> 00:32:00,967

Marc Preston: may not, or it's a little bit more of a

841

00:32:01,027 --> 00:32:03,343

Marc Preston: personal kind of a relationship because you

842

00:32:03,383 --> 00:32:05,111

Marc Preston: can access, like you said, thousands of

843

00:32:05,151 --> 00:32:05,473

Marc Preston: movies.

844

00:32:05,493 --> 00:32:07,257

Marc Preston: So if you can't find something you like,

845

00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,201

Marc Preston: maybe go make it.

846

00:32:10,544 --> 00:32:12,788

Marc Preston: But that's kind of the thing also, that you

847

00:32:12,828 --> 00:32:15,443

Marc Preston: think that what you did, which I mean again

848

00:32:15,824 --> 00:32:18,754

Marc Preston: congratulations, because getting writing

849

00:32:18,814 --> 00:32:20,298

Marc Preston: something, getting it, getting all those

850

00:32:20,338 --> 00:32:22,584

Marc Preston: little pieces to fall into place, to get

851

00:32:22,644 --> 00:32:25,197

Marc Preston: something bought, to get something out

852

00:32:25,237 --> 00:32:25,778

Marc Preston: there is.

853

00:32:26,139 --> 00:32:28,585

Marc Preston: It's not an easy task, but you represent.

854

00:32:28,645 --> 00:32:30,637

Marc Preston: To me, it represents what?

855

00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:32,124

Marc Preston: I hope more people will glean from it.

856

00:32:33,028 --> 00:32:34,074

Marc Preston: If something's not out there, you don't

857

00:32:34,094 --> 00:32:36,139

Marc Preston: think you're getting cast or you know,

858

00:32:37,101 --> 00:32:39,085

Marc Preston: whatever God there creates something on

859

00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,749

Marc Preston: your own, and that's that.

860

00:32:41,736 --> 00:32:43,260

Marc Preston: That's easier said than done, I know, as

861

00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,946

Marc Preston: I'm sure you know better than anybody, but

862

00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:46,537

Marc Preston: do you?

863

00:32:47,361 --> 00:32:49,089

Marc Preston: By the way, I'm sorry, my we have a little

864

00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:50,355

Marc Preston: audience member back here, my golden

865

00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,360

Marc Preston: retriever.

866

00:32:53,661 --> 00:32:56,206

Marc Preston: Oh, he's a sweetheart, yeah, but what do

867

00:32:56,226 --> 00:32:58,189

Marc Preston: you think about the idea of for those who

868

00:32:58,430 --> 00:33:00,020

Marc Preston: are kind of in that cycle?

869

00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,451

Marc Preston: You know, I've acted on camera a number of

870

00:33:02,491 --> 00:33:03,758

Marc Preston: times and I was talking with somebody the

871

00:33:03,778 --> 00:33:03,979

Marc Preston: other day.

872

00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,889

Marc Preston: I said I would love to do stuff on camera.

873

00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:07,738

Marc Preston: I'm just so busy doing what I'm doing I

874

00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,307

Marc Preston: don't have a chance to come block off three

875

00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:10,835

Marc Preston: hours that I'm a day to get to the casting

876

00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:12,844

Marc Preston: director's office, do the thing, come back,

877

00:33:12,964 --> 00:33:13,065

Marc Preston: or.

878

00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:14,973

Marc Preston: You know, he's a man and this is a pretty

879

00:33:15,013 --> 00:33:15,656

Marc Preston: successful actor.

880

00:33:15,677 --> 00:33:17,165

Marc Preston: He said, dude, everything's, everything's

881

00:33:17,225 --> 00:33:18,793

Marc Preston: being recorded, everything's being self

882

00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:19,356

Marc Preston: taped at home.

883

00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:22,482

Marc Preston: Now I was like another COVID thing that

884

00:33:22,543 --> 00:33:24,827

Marc Preston: maybe worked to the advantage of our

885

00:33:24,908 --> 00:33:25,248

Marc Preston: industry.

886

00:33:26,156 --> 00:33:27,783

Marc Preston: But for people that want to kind of get out

887

00:33:27,803 --> 00:33:29,471

Marc Preston: of that cycle of just auditioning, just

888

00:33:29,611 --> 00:33:33,806

Marc Preston: asking for gigs, what would your advice be?

889

00:33:33,907 --> 00:33:35,973

Marc Preston: As far as creating, you know, as far as

890

00:33:35,993 --> 00:33:37,638

Marc Preston: somebody's got an idea, how would you

891

00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,065

Marc Preston: suggest they approach that if they want to

892

00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:41,429

Marc Preston: make something of their own?

893

00:33:42,657 --> 00:33:46,686

Chris Baker: I would say one you have to find people

894

00:33:46,726 --> 00:33:51,039

Chris Baker: that are going to be honest with you and

895

00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,970

Chris Baker: you have to have a really thick skin for

896

00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:56,815

Chris Baker: when you perform for the first time and

897

00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:59,266

Chris Baker: send that to someone, or if you write

898

00:33:59,286 --> 00:34:00,652

Chris Baker: something for the first time or direct

899

00:34:00,692 --> 00:34:01,937

Chris Baker: something for the first time and send it

900

00:34:02,017 --> 00:34:05,946

Chris Baker: off to someone or have a, you know, exhibit

901

00:34:05,986 --> 00:34:06,628

Chris Baker: it to people.

902

00:34:07,911 --> 00:34:10,458

Chris Baker: You have to be willing to know that this is

903

00:34:10,498 --> 00:34:11,901

Chris Baker: a journey and you're going to get better.

904

00:34:12,342 --> 00:34:15,316

Chris Baker: My first script was not good at all and

905

00:34:15,798 --> 00:34:17,662

Chris Baker: even after multiple drafts it was still

906

00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:21,111

Chris Baker: kind of middling to understand the

907

00:34:21,612 --> 00:34:24,179

Chris Baker: structure and how I wanted an audience to

908

00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:26,604

Chris Baker: feel when I was writing the estate.

909

00:34:27,727 --> 00:34:31,396

Chris Baker: That took a few years and to you know, pull

910

00:34:31,416 --> 00:34:34,101

Chris Baker: the rug out from under an audience for that

911

00:34:34,141 --> 00:34:34,822

Chris Baker: twist ending.

912

00:34:35,403 --> 00:34:39,097

Chris Baker: That kind of flips the script and sort of

913

00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:42,129

Chris Baker: informs and answers every question that

914

00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:43,354

Chris Baker: people may have had while they were

915

00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:47,281

Chris Baker: watching the film the whole time.

916

00:34:47,642 --> 00:34:50,066

Chris Baker: That takes a long time to kind of develop.

917

00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:53,158

Chris Baker: And I think that sometimes people have a

918

00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:55,706

Chris Baker: story about their childhood or about their

919

00:34:55,786 --> 00:34:58,715

Chris Baker: life experience that when they write it it

920

00:34:58,735 --> 00:35:00,479

Chris Baker: just sort of comes out fully formed.

921

00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,326

Chris Baker: And then other times people when if they're

922

00:35:03,867 --> 00:35:05,858

Chris Baker: thinking about science fiction or something

923

00:35:05,898 --> 00:35:10,827

Chris Baker: more fantastical, that those that world

924

00:35:10,887 --> 00:35:13,000

Chris Baker: building and stuff all of that takes time.

925

00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,790

Chris Baker: So I think patience is really important too.

926

00:35:16,252 --> 00:35:19,081

Chris Baker: And the other thing is, in independent film,

927

00:35:19,142 --> 00:35:21,851

Chris Baker: the number one thing I can say from all the

928

00:35:22,051 --> 00:35:25,378

Chris Baker: talks that I had with producers for the

929

00:35:25,398 --> 00:35:28,143

Chris Baker: film over the years and you know how many

930

00:35:28,204 --> 00:35:31,662

Chris Baker: calls need to be made or whatever is Make

931

00:35:31,722 --> 00:35:33,088

Chris Baker: sure you have access to money.

932

00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:37,284

Marc Preston: Easier said than done.

933

00:35:37,425 --> 00:35:41,142

Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah, that's well, I mean, of course,

934

00:35:41,162 --> 00:35:42,767

Marc Preston: the other thing I think I've noticed is

935

00:35:43,369 --> 00:35:44,091

Marc Preston: just, I was right.

936

00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,005

Marc Preston: I remember reading the book.

937

00:35:45,326 --> 00:35:47,639

Marc Preston: Actually, listen to the audiobook of save

938

00:35:47,659 --> 00:35:47,900

Marc Preston: the cat.

939

00:35:48,501 --> 00:35:49,043

Marc Preston: Yeah, you have.

940

00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:50,145

Marc Preston: You read the book on screen, right?

941

00:35:50,466 --> 00:35:51,990

Marc Preston: And this idea that you gotta get rid of if

942

00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:53,902

Marc Preston: not, find it.

943

00:35:53,922 --> 00:35:56,047

Marc Preston: So just don't marry yourself so much to an

944

00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:56,227

Marc Preston: idea.

945

00:35:56,247 --> 00:35:57,430

Marc Preston: If it doesn't work, be okay, throwing it

946

00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:58,352

Marc Preston: away, starting over.

947

00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:01,829

Marc Preston: You know, I remember a story the writer was

948

00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,563

Marc Preston: talking about that.

949

00:36:04,401 --> 00:36:06,972

Marc Preston: Some people come to him for advice and him

950

00:36:07,173 --> 00:36:07,996

Marc Preston: break down the script.

951

00:36:08,016 --> 00:36:09,401

Marc Preston: Here's all the things that work, here's

952

00:36:09,441 --> 00:36:11,186

Marc Preston: things don't work, and it's gonna involve

953

00:36:11,226 --> 00:36:13,392

Marc Preston: basically tearing that whole script up and

954

00:36:13,762 --> 00:36:15,216

Marc Preston: Starting for and how many people are not

955

00:36:15,236 --> 00:36:15,680

Marc Preston: willing to do that.

956

00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:17,866

Marc Preston: You got to be willing to do that, you know

957

00:36:17,886 --> 00:36:19,771

Marc Preston: if you believe right, but this is the first

958

00:36:19,792 --> 00:36:21,757

Marc Preston: time you've done something as far as the

959

00:36:21,797 --> 00:36:23,783

Marc Preston: creative input and of this scale.

960

00:36:24,385 --> 00:36:24,686

Marc Preston: What is?

961

00:36:24,866 --> 00:36:25,970

Marc Preston: What are a couple of biggest lessons?

962

00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:28,166

Marc Preston: You learn Epiphanies like you thought it

963

00:36:28,226 --> 00:36:29,673

Marc Preston: was gonna be like this, and then you're

964

00:36:29,693 --> 00:36:31,360

Marc Preston: like, oh well, it didn't quite go that way.

965

00:36:31,541 --> 00:36:32,544

Marc Preston: Maybe it's a happy accent.

966

00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:34,951

Marc Preston: What did you learn in this process?

967

00:36:36,161 --> 00:36:38,087

Chris Baker: the best lesson that I learned throughout

968

00:36:38,107 --> 00:36:41,117

Chris Baker: the process, even though I was the sole

969

00:36:41,458 --> 00:36:43,966

Chris Baker: screenwriter and the you know I was the

970

00:36:44,026 --> 00:36:49,221

Chris Baker: main character in the film, is that Film

971

00:36:49,401 --> 00:36:53,068

Chris Baker: itself is the most collaborative art form

972

00:36:53,148 --> 00:36:53,749

Chris Baker: that exists.

973

00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:57,295

Chris Baker: The number of people and the number of

974

00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:03,068

Chris Baker: different points of view, from the gaffer

975

00:37:03,269 --> 00:37:06,526

Chris Baker: to the prop master, to all the different

976

00:37:06,707 --> 00:37:09,836

Chris Baker: one-line parts that we had in the film, to

977

00:37:10,117 --> 00:37:12,246

Chris Baker: the weather that day, you know which, I

978

00:37:12,286 --> 00:37:14,519

Chris Baker: guess, is if you believe in God is just you

979

00:37:14,539 --> 00:37:20,190

Chris Baker: know, all were a part of making a movie,

980

00:37:20,671 --> 00:37:24,822

Chris Baker: the movie that it ends up being, and no

981

00:37:24,862 --> 00:37:27,844

Chris Baker: matter how good Intentioned or how

982

00:37:27,904 --> 00:37:30,666

Chris Baker: important one person's voice or one

983

00:37:30,726 --> 00:37:33,852

Chris Baker: person's point of view is, it has to be a

984

00:37:33,912 --> 00:37:37,245

Chris Baker: collaboration and I think everyone has to

985

00:37:37,305 --> 00:37:38,268

Chris Baker: have the same goal.

986

00:37:38,809 --> 00:37:42,597

Chris Baker: So everyone on set and in the editing room

987

00:37:42,718 --> 00:37:45,427

Chris Baker: and and Everyone that worked on this film

988

00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:47,272

Chris Baker: and worked really hard for not a lot of

989

00:37:47,312 --> 00:37:50,406

Chris Baker: money Everyone had the goal of entertaining

990

00:37:50,506 --> 00:37:54,174

Chris Baker: an audience and creating this neon, soaked,

991

00:37:55,101 --> 00:38:00,424

Chris Baker: naughty kind of truly you know Fairy tale

992

00:38:00,484 --> 00:38:00,885

Chris Baker: nightmare.

993

00:38:01,126 --> 00:38:03,315

Marc Preston: I love that neon soaked thing, that's so.

994

00:38:03,395 --> 00:38:06,624

Marc Preston: It's like if I can encapsulate the 80s for

995

00:38:06,644 --> 00:38:07,306

Marc Preston: my kids.

996

00:38:07,646 --> 00:38:10,672

Marc Preston: It's so funny they, you know, you know that

997

00:38:10,713 --> 00:38:14,927

Marc Preston: whole, I Don't know, but neon soaked, I

998

00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:15,830

Marc Preston: gotta remember that one.

999

00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:18,188

Marc Preston: But yeah, you know, like we're watching

00:38:18,248 --> 00:38:22,303

Marc Preston: stranger things, the music, the vibe it was,

00:38:22,524 --> 00:38:24,170

Marc Preston: is a lot more like you said movies,

00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,226

Marc Preston: comedians, things like that.

00:38:26,246 --> 00:38:26,788

Marc Preston: That could happen.

00:38:26,829 --> 00:38:28,978

Marc Preston: Then, ironically, you couldn't bring a lot

00:38:28,998 --> 00:38:29,500

Marc Preston: of that back now.

00:38:29,621 --> 00:38:31,255

Marc Preston: That's why this is, this is kind of a, this

00:38:31,315 --> 00:38:31,860

Marc Preston: is a fun ride.

00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,145

Marc Preston: That's why I think this does bring forward

00:38:34,266 --> 00:38:36,692

Marc Preston: that kind of thing that we don't see too

00:38:36,732 --> 00:38:37,233

Marc Preston: much anymore.

00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,222

Marc Preston: Hopefully we'll see it more.

00:38:38,262 --> 00:38:40,047

Marc Preston: I mean, I'd like to see kind of resurgence

00:38:40,087 --> 00:38:42,031

Marc Preston: of movies that are quite frankly made for

00:38:42,312 --> 00:38:45,261

Marc Preston: adults, you know yes, absolutely.

00:38:45,321 --> 00:38:46,364

Chris Baker: I think that they're.

00:38:46,384 --> 00:38:49,231

Chris Baker: I I choose to believe that there's a real

00:38:49,271 --> 00:38:49,853

Chris Baker: hunger for it.

00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,155

Chris Baker: There are a lot of TV shows that are, you

00:38:53,175 --> 00:38:57,066

Chris Baker: know, a longer form Movie, honestly, but

00:38:57,326 --> 00:38:59,611

Chris Baker: it's like a 10 hour movie and a lot of

00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:00,853

Chris Baker: people don't have that much time.

00:39:01,374 --> 00:39:04,284

Chris Baker: Or, you know, when you're making a 10 hour

00:39:04,585 --> 00:39:07,010

Chris Baker: film, that's that's a 10-part mini series

00:39:07,090 --> 00:39:09,174

Chris Baker: instead of a 90 minute feature.

00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:12,287

Chris Baker: Sometimes to fill all of that time you have

00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:15,245

Chris Baker: to add in back store Side characters and

00:39:15,285 --> 00:39:16,991

Chris Baker: they're sort of storylines that sometimes

00:39:17,011 --> 00:39:19,037

Chris Baker: don't work as well as the main storyline.

00:39:19,098 --> 00:39:22,548

Chris Baker: And you know, building out a world doesn't

00:39:22,588 --> 00:39:27,126

Chris Baker: necessarily have to be maximalist, to to to

00:39:27,327 --> 00:39:29,212

Chris Baker: in terms of time and volume.

00:39:29,433 --> 00:39:31,559

Chris Baker: Sometimes it is about really zeroing in and

00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:35,483

Chris Baker: Making something that is a sub two-hour

00:39:35,543 --> 00:39:37,785

Chris Baker: experience for people that they can really

00:39:37,845 --> 00:39:39,146

Chris Baker: enjoy and get in and get out.

00:39:47,279 --> 00:39:48,261

Marc Preston: Was this something you would do?

00:39:48,462 --> 00:39:50,326

Marc Preston: You're wanting to do again writing a movie,

00:39:50,406 --> 00:39:51,790

Marc Preston: acting it, or you know it's a lot of work.

00:39:52,131 --> 00:39:53,654

Marc Preston: You know, are you kind of more wanting to

00:39:53,674 --> 00:39:55,879

Marc Preston: go through just being in someone else's

00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:56,541

Marc Preston: project?

00:39:57,022 --> 00:39:59,755

Marc Preston: If you had a Good situation like I, want my

00:39:59,836 --> 00:40:02,793

Marc Preston: next project to be this, this Kind of

00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:04,278

Marc Preston: project, this kind of thing, this kind of

00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:06,306

Marc Preston: director, you know, or co-stars, what, what?

00:40:06,527 --> 00:40:07,310

Marc Preston: How would you envision that?

00:40:08,432 --> 00:40:11,018

Chris Baker: Well, my next script is already finished.

00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,192

Chris Baker: I actually wrote it with a Another writer

00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:17,216

Chris Baker: who's so incredibly hilarious.

00:40:17,236 --> 00:40:20,902

Chris Baker: His name is Jared Groty and it is a wedding

00:40:20,983 --> 00:40:24,396

Chris Baker: themed rom-com and it is.

00:40:25,138 --> 00:40:28,517

Chris Baker: You know, it's definitely not as dark as as

00:40:28,557 --> 00:40:30,442

Chris Baker: the estate, but it has there.

00:40:30,502 --> 00:40:32,909

Chris Baker: It has a more, I think, more commercial

00:40:32,969 --> 00:40:35,515

Chris Baker: appeal, but also still very much for adults,

00:40:35,635 --> 00:40:39,202

Chris Baker: and it has elements of all of my favorite

00:40:39,482 --> 00:40:41,555

Chris Baker: romantic comedies growing up and also

00:40:41,836 --> 00:40:44,815

Chris Baker: movies like American Pie and the birdcage

00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:49,492

Chris Baker: and just these films that just, also, like

00:40:49,933 --> 00:40:51,816

Chris Baker: many others, really influenced me, and so

00:40:51,977 --> 00:40:53,580

Chris Baker: it was kind of put it in the blender and

00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:55,864

Chris Baker: that's what this romantic comedy is, and

00:40:57,011 --> 00:40:58,214

Chris Baker: it's in development right now.

00:40:59,016 --> 00:41:00,520

Chris Baker: I'm sure you know pretty well that in

00:41:00,561 --> 00:41:03,356

Chris Baker: development it can mean a whole range of

00:41:03,416 --> 00:41:05,180

Chris Baker: things, so we're so we can change it,

00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:09,216

Chris Baker: moments notice, yeah absolutely so I'm.

00:41:09,457 --> 00:41:14,392

Chris Baker: I'm of the headspace, that I Would love to

00:41:14,492 --> 00:41:16,216

Chris Baker: see that project get made next.

00:41:16,576 --> 00:41:18,019

Chris Baker: I have other projects as well that I'm

00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:20,451

Chris Baker: working on, but that is the thing that's

00:41:20,732 --> 00:41:23,462

Chris Baker: furthest along and that I'm so so proud of,

00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:25,670

Chris Baker: and I and I just as far as like a director,

00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:26,694

Chris Baker: who would you love to work with?

00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,163

Marc Preston: who would you love to direct you based on

00:41:29,183 --> 00:41:30,067

Marc Preston: the movies you've seen?

00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:31,732

Marc Preston: And if you'd, I you know A script came in

00:41:31,772 --> 00:41:33,155

Marc Preston: and said, hey, so, and so is attached as

00:41:33,196 --> 00:41:33,717

Marc Preston: the director.

00:41:33,997 --> 00:41:34,599

Chris Baker: David Fincher.

00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:36,653

Chris Baker: Oh, really oh look at you go yeah, that's

00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:37,697

Chris Baker: so you're, you're good.

00:41:37,717 --> 00:41:39,706

Marc Preston: That is very much down the middle of what

00:41:39,726 --> 00:41:40,530

Marc Preston: we're talking about here.

00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:43,519

Chris Baker: Yeah, my number one of all time.

00:41:44,261 --> 00:41:45,866

Chris Baker: Yeah, I love, of course, daisy.

00:41:45,986 --> 00:41:46,909

Chris Baker: Obviously as well.

00:41:47,049 --> 00:41:49,165

Chris Baker: I love I, you know, I love PTA, I love

00:41:49,185 --> 00:41:51,053

Chris Baker: Tarantino, I love.

00:41:51,093 --> 00:41:52,415

Marc Preston: I was gonna ask you about Quentin Tarantino,

00:41:52,435 --> 00:41:53,858

Marc Preston: because something about like his

00:41:53,899 --> 00:41:55,502

Marc Preston: sensibility and what he does seems like it

00:41:55,522 --> 00:41:56,304

Marc Preston: would resonate with you.

00:41:56,671 --> 00:41:57,272

Chris Baker: Absolutely.

00:41:57,613 --> 00:41:59,878

Chris Baker: And you know there are people like Adrian

00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:02,183

Chris Baker: Lyne and Brian De Palma who you know, I

00:42:02,243 --> 00:42:06,037

Chris Baker: know that Decades ago had such a you know

00:42:06,057 --> 00:42:10,152

Chris Baker: with where they're Paul Verhoeven, you know.

00:42:10,172 --> 00:42:12,619

Chris Baker: But I think there's something about David

00:42:12,659 --> 00:42:17,016

Chris Baker: Fincher that the first film of his that I

00:42:17,116 --> 00:42:18,621

Chris Baker: saw, I think, was the game.

00:42:19,423 --> 00:42:22,833

Chris Baker: And then I was desperate, desperate, to see

00:42:22,893 --> 00:42:25,118

Chris Baker: Fight Club when it was in theaters, but I

00:42:25,178 --> 00:42:27,122

Chris Baker: was way too young and my parents just

00:42:27,162 --> 00:42:27,964

Chris Baker: plainly refused.

00:42:28,471 --> 00:42:33,175

Marc Preston: But I went to Sam you talk about the game,

00:42:33,195 --> 00:42:35,281

Marc Preston: the Michael Douglas movie with the game.

00:42:36,051 --> 00:42:37,181

Chris Baker: Douglas and Sean Penn.

00:42:37,564 --> 00:42:38,190

Marc Preston: Oh, that was great.

00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:41,096

Chris Baker: And just a really, really great cast and

00:42:41,536 --> 00:42:44,121

Chris Baker: there's no one, that I think there's no

00:42:44,161 --> 00:42:45,043

Chris Baker: American filmmaker.

00:42:45,103 --> 00:42:49,533

Chris Baker: That I think it encapsulates what film is

00:42:49,854 --> 00:42:54,623

Chris Baker: and what, what a person can be truthful to

00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:57,127

Chris Baker: about themselves and with the world and how

00:42:57,168 --> 00:42:58,450

Chris Baker: they reckon with the modern world.

00:42:59,233 --> 00:43:03,799

Chris Baker: I think that His films a gone girl is was

00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,347

Chris Baker: hugely influential on me when I was, when I

00:43:06,387 --> 00:43:09,036

Chris Baker: was making, you know, the estates and how I

00:43:09,076 --> 00:43:11,373

Chris Baker: thought about how terrible characters can

00:43:11,433 --> 00:43:13,453

Chris Baker: treat each other and how they can

00:43:13,493 --> 00:43:15,099

Chris Baker: manipulate each other and the plans that

00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,725

Chris Baker: they can have to sort of thwart people.

00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:18,932

Chris Baker: But a lot of it is out of love they're, you

00:43:18,952 --> 00:43:21,599

Chris Baker: know, seven is just, you know, just a

00:43:21,779 --> 00:43:25,293

Chris Baker: perfectly encapsulated, tight film.

00:43:25,653 --> 00:43:29,019

Chris Baker: You know I fight club literally taught, all

00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:30,983

Chris Baker: you know, an entire generation of

00:43:31,023 --> 00:43:34,675

Chris Baker: Millennial men how to Go from being boys to

00:43:34,715 --> 00:43:37,023

Chris Baker: men, and I'm seeing Brad Pitt show up a

00:43:37,063 --> 00:43:38,147

Chris Baker: couple times in the movies You're

00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:41,177

Chris Baker: mentioning here yeah, yes, you know it's.

00:43:41,297 --> 00:43:43,284

Marc Preston: You know it's nice to see somebody at his

00:43:43,424 --> 00:43:45,110

Marc Preston: level that's got the goods.

00:43:45,371 --> 00:43:46,877

Marc Preston: You know it's not just, you know, mr.

00:43:47,198 --> 00:43:48,966

Marc Preston: You know, handsome Hollywood star.

00:43:49,106 --> 00:43:50,050

Marc Preston: Yeah, he's got the stuff.

00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:52,460

Chris Baker: You know, he brings it everything when I,

00:43:52,541 --> 00:43:55,152

Chris Baker: when I read things about him, you know, I

00:43:55,212 --> 00:43:57,822

Chris Baker: think at Astro up before, once upon a time

00:43:57,862 --> 00:43:58,304

Chris Baker: in Hollywood.

00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:00,152

Chris Baker: At Astro was the last movie, I think, that

00:44:00,172 --> 00:44:03,166

Chris Baker: he produced that was released in theaters.

00:44:03,568 --> 00:44:08,436

Chris Baker: He just Really, really, really loves movies

00:44:09,097 --> 00:44:10,600

Chris Baker: and he respects the art form.

00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,045

Chris Baker: And you know, de Niro is the same, and that

00:44:14,365 --> 00:44:17,514

Chris Baker: those people, they're very few of those

00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:17,855

Chris Baker: people.

00:44:18,015 --> 00:44:19,318

Chris Baker: I think Russell Crowe is one of them, I

00:44:19,358 --> 00:44:20,862

Chris Baker: think Harrison Ford was one of them for

00:44:20,902 --> 00:44:23,154

Chris Baker: like 50 years.

00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:25,522

Chris Baker: You know, just just hitting it out of the

00:44:25,562 --> 00:44:27,951

Chris Baker: park over and over and over again, the

00:44:27,991 --> 00:44:29,757

Chris Baker: fugitive is one of my favorite films of all

00:44:29,777 --> 00:44:30,119

Chris Baker: time.

00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,006

Chris Baker: And you know I could go on and on and on

00:44:32,026 --> 00:44:32,788

Chris Baker: about Harrison Ford.

00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:36,520

Chris Baker: My dog is named Dr Richard Kimball, soi

00:44:38,251 --> 00:44:39,635

Chris Baker: Think that there are, you know, there are

00:44:39,675 --> 00:44:43,814

Chris Baker: these, there, just these people that I

00:44:43,854 --> 00:44:45,138

Chris Baker: would, you know I would die to work with.

00:44:45,158 --> 00:44:48,196

Marc Preston: But in terms of directors, david Fincher is,

00:44:48,437 --> 00:44:50,889

Marc Preston: is the number one, top, top, top, top, top

00:44:50,909 --> 00:44:52,977

Marc Preston: top but if you look at the tone of the

00:44:53,017 --> 00:44:56,738

Marc Preston: movie of Of the estate let's say you were

00:44:56,758 --> 00:44:58,885

Marc Preston: to craft another movie similar tone like

00:44:58,906 --> 00:45:00,090

Marc Preston: these these movies were talking about.

00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:03,096

Marc Preston: Yeah who would be kind of kind of a short,

00:45:03,597 --> 00:45:05,200

Marc Preston: very, very, very short list of actors that

00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,031

Marc Preston: you think would be great and fun to Kind of

00:45:08,071 --> 00:45:11,157

Marc Preston: play with for you know a few months making

00:45:11,177 --> 00:45:12,118

Marc Preston: a film like that.

00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,162

Chris Baker: Oh, my gosh dream scenario.

00:45:14,663 --> 00:45:20,287

Chris Baker: I, I love and halfway I think that she's a

00:45:20,327 --> 00:45:23,798

Chris Baker: genius and I'm just obsessed with her.

00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,237

Chris Baker: I Really really love starleys.

00:45:28,634 --> 00:45:31,845

Chris Baker: I think that on and I think that everything

00:45:31,885 --> 00:45:33,370

Chris Baker: she does is so interesting.

00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:36,038

Chris Baker: I I've probably seen young adults she's a

00:45:36,078 --> 00:45:38,952

Chris Baker: great comedic actress also Movie, should it

00:45:38,972 --> 00:45:39,333

Chris Baker: with Seth?

00:45:39,373 --> 00:45:42,322

Marc Preston: Rogen, where she played a oh right policy.

00:45:42,863 --> 00:45:45,069

Chris Baker: She just, it's just, her timing is just on

00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:48,137

Chris Baker: point, you know yeah, and, and you know Mad

00:45:48,178 --> 00:45:51,206

Chris Baker: Max and when she was in Prometheus, I mean

00:45:51,266 --> 00:45:55,256

Chris Baker: these roles where her looks inform her

00:45:55,336 --> 00:45:57,903

Chris Baker: characters in just I don't know if she's

00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:00,229

Chris Baker: just really really good at picking roles

00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:02,415

Chris Baker: for herself, but she just understands her

00:46:03,117 --> 00:46:07,133

Chris Baker: arsenal of you know Tricks and and whatever

00:46:07,213 --> 00:46:10,660

Chris Baker: so well I'm, I'm just continually impressed

00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,795

Chris Baker: by her and I would Really really love to

00:46:14,855 --> 00:46:15,437

Chris Baker: work with.

00:46:16,821 --> 00:46:17,764

Chris Baker: I love Mindy Kaling.

00:46:18,246 --> 00:46:19,510

Chris Baker: I like her new show a lot.

00:46:21,295 --> 00:46:21,555

Chris Baker: There.

00:46:21,595 --> 00:46:23,260

Chris Baker: There's a lot of people out there I mean I

00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,385

Chris Baker: named all women but obviously Brad Pitt is

00:46:25,425 --> 00:46:27,170

Chris Baker: just the number one of all time, because I

00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:30,379

Chris Baker: think you know to feel like I just learned

00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:30,941

Chris Baker: a lot from him.

00:46:31,322 --> 00:46:34,382

Chris Baker: I think that he's just he's lived a very

00:46:34,403 --> 00:46:35,328

Chris Baker: interesting life but he's also made a lot

00:46:35,348 --> 00:46:35,650

Chris Baker: of great movies.

00:46:37,895 --> 00:46:39,900

Marc Preston: Yeah, he never phones it in without a doubt,

00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:40,481

Marc Preston: and we can probably.

00:46:40,501 --> 00:46:41,203

Marc Preston: You cannot be a David.

00:46:41,223 --> 00:46:43,288

Chris Baker: Fincher fan, without being a Brad Pitt fan

00:46:43,308 --> 00:46:43,649

Chris Baker: as well.

00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:47,183

Chris Baker: Well, yeah, as we wrap up, I'm just kind of

00:46:47,203 --> 00:46:48,589

Chris Baker: curious, what are you watching right now,

00:46:48,609 --> 00:46:48,930

Chris Baker: like TV wise?

00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,594

Marc Preston: What are you consuming on a that you're

00:46:50,635 --> 00:46:52,944

Marc Preston: just like that's your entertainment?

00:46:56,243 --> 00:46:58,180

Marc Preston: Well, in terms, of Scripted.

00:46:59,411 --> 00:47:02,701

Chris Baker: I saw there's a film called the Card

00:47:02,761 --> 00:47:03,965

Chris Baker: Counter with Oscar Isaac that I really

00:47:03,985 --> 00:47:04,266

Chris Baker: enjoyed.

00:47:04,286 --> 00:47:10,277

Chris Baker: I thought it was a very strange and

00:47:10,297 --> 00:47:14,509

Chris Baker: beautiful and kind of stoic meditation on,

00:47:14,529 --> 00:47:16,297

Chris Baker: like the state of the modern man you know.

00:47:16,317 --> 00:47:18,647

Chris Baker: I thought it was fantastic.

00:47:21,215 --> 00:47:23,964

Chris Baker: And I saw the lost daughter with Olivia

00:47:24,004 --> 00:47:24,264

Chris Baker: Coleman.

00:47:24,285 --> 00:47:24,586

Chris Baker: That was.

00:47:24,606 --> 00:47:25,689

Chris Baker: It was really, really good.

00:47:25,709 --> 00:47:31,363

Chris Baker: I love, loved Yellow jackets, which I'm

00:47:31,423 --> 00:47:32,546

Chris Baker: almost done with that.

00:47:32,586 --> 00:47:33,569

Chris Baker: That showtime, oh, I've been meaning to

00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:34,010

Chris Baker: catch that I've been.

00:47:35,622 --> 00:47:38,145

Chris Baker: I just kept being Recommended it and I was

00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,851

Chris Baker: finally like you know what, I'm just gonna

00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,647

Chris Baker: start it and my husband and I just can't,

00:47:43,835 --> 00:47:45,382

Chris Baker: can't, stop devouring it.

00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:47,336

Chris Baker: Ozark is one of our favorite shows and

00:47:47,356 --> 00:47:48,961

Chris Baker: we're very happy that that's back on.

00:47:49,791 --> 00:47:51,895

Chris Baker: But the thing, unfortunately, that I watch

00:47:51,915 --> 00:47:53,979

Chris Baker: the most or maybe not unfortunately anymore,

00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,164

Chris Baker: but are the housewives.

00:47:57,391 --> 00:48:00,081

Chris Baker: Vanderpump rules, summer house below deck

00:48:00,663 --> 00:48:03,573

Chris Baker: every iteration of below deck, I am, you

00:48:03,593 --> 00:48:04,816

Chris Baker: know, the bottom line is you need that

00:48:04,856 --> 00:48:05,357

Chris Baker: departure.

00:48:05,398 --> 00:48:07,251

Marc Preston: I mean there it's a lot of stuff I don't

00:48:07,271 --> 00:48:08,134

Marc Preston: watch but it's.

00:48:08,415 --> 00:48:10,122

Marc Preston: But I have my own escapism and that's

00:48:10,162 --> 00:48:11,687

Marc Preston: something that we and I think that's been

00:48:11,727 --> 00:48:13,554

Marc Preston: very clarified At least in this country, in

00:48:13,574 --> 00:48:15,783

Marc Preston: the US, over the last handful of years of

00:48:15,823 --> 00:48:17,450

Marc Preston: we've needed that escapism, you know.

00:48:17,831 --> 00:48:18,954

Chris Baker: I turn off the news.

00:48:19,035 --> 00:48:20,800

Chris Baker: You know I'm watching a scripted show

00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,725

Chris Baker: unless it's really really, really really

00:48:22,785 --> 00:48:24,771

Chris Baker: good, like Ozark or Yellow Jackets, or you

00:48:24,791 --> 00:48:26,016

Chris Baker: know I love Mara Vistown.

00:48:26,056 --> 00:48:26,779

Chris Baker: That was fabulous.

00:48:28,052 --> 00:48:32,257

Chris Baker: The it as a writer watching most scripted

00:48:32,277 --> 00:48:32,999

Chris Baker: stuff in.

00:48:33,259 --> 00:48:36,546

Chris Baker: I'm usually watching the gears shift as

00:48:36,607 --> 00:48:39,294

Chris Baker: this as each scene plays out, and if it's

00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:42,365

Chris Baker: not very good it kind of I can't get into

00:48:42,425 --> 00:48:43,870

Chris Baker: it, I'm just watching the machinations.

00:48:44,271 --> 00:48:46,776

Chris Baker: So the thing about reality television is

00:48:46,796 --> 00:48:48,500

Chris Baker: that, even though it is sort of just as

00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,374

Chris Baker: scripted as many other things, there's just

00:48:51,555 --> 00:48:55,094

Chris Baker: a Strangeness about the human condition

00:48:55,155 --> 00:48:58,400

Chris Baker: that is truly revealed by by these people

00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:00,744

Chris Baker: that decide to open up their homes and

00:49:00,804 --> 00:49:03,875

Chris Baker: lives to All of the world.

00:49:04,076 --> 00:49:06,144

Chris Baker: And and it does feel when I'm watching

00:49:06,184 --> 00:49:07,610

Chris Baker: those shows like Brain Cleaner.

00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:10,677

Chris Baker: But I really don't have to think a lot and

00:49:11,238 --> 00:49:13,985

Chris Baker: I can, I could just kind of check out and,

00:49:14,871 --> 00:49:16,698

Chris Baker: yeah, just just just read into the human

00:49:16,738 --> 00:49:18,946

Chris Baker: experience and a you know there was a show.

00:49:18,966 --> 00:49:19,990

Marc Preston: You're probably gonna know what I'm talking

00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:20,110

Marc Preston: about.

00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:24,231

Marc Preston: There was a show may have been, I Don't

00:49:24,251 --> 00:49:25,935

Marc Preston: know when I caught it it was.

00:49:26,155 --> 00:49:28,059

Marc Preston: It was a scripted show about making

00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:29,422

Marc Preston: something like the Bachelorette.

00:49:29,743 --> 00:49:33,072

Marc Preston: It was a drama Unreal.

00:49:33,554 --> 00:49:34,577

Marc Preston: I gotta be honest with that.

00:49:34,617 --> 00:49:35,239

Marc Preston: That pulled me on.

00:49:35,259 --> 00:49:35,600

Marc Preston: That was it.

00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:36,994

Marc Preston: I was kind of when you really, because when

00:49:37,014 --> 00:49:39,280

Marc Preston: you've worked on sets and you just even the

00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,373

Marc Preston: PAs with their Walking around with a

00:49:41,393 --> 00:49:43,201

Marc Preston: walkie-talkie, you get a sense of like

00:49:43,542 --> 00:49:44,366

Marc Preston: twists and turns.

00:49:44,486 --> 00:49:45,871

Marc Preston: Yeah, oh yeah, indeed, so it's.

00:49:45,991 --> 00:49:47,796

Marc Preston: It's like you start realizing that a lot of

00:49:47,816 --> 00:49:50,122

Marc Preston: these shows they went from calling reality.

00:49:50,142 --> 00:49:51,173

Marc Preston: Now they're called, whether they call them

00:49:51,233 --> 00:49:52,619

Marc Preston: unscripted shows, you know.

00:49:53,651 --> 00:49:56,077

Marc Preston: There is still, there is still theater to

00:49:56,117 --> 00:49:57,741

Marc Preston: them, but it's just a different kind of

00:49:57,781 --> 00:49:58,543

Marc Preston: theater, you know.

00:49:59,532 --> 00:50:01,440

Marc Preston: But what I'm gonna go as we wrap up, here

00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:03,568

Marc Preston: and again, thank you for being generous

00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:03,970

Marc Preston: with your time.

00:50:04,351 --> 00:50:05,234

Marc Preston: I certainly appreciate it.

00:50:05,495 --> 00:50:07,442

Marc Preston: But I got something I call it Preston's

00:50:07,482 --> 00:50:08,145

Marc Preston: Lucky Seven.

00:50:08,385 --> 00:50:09,630

Marc Preston: I like to ask seven questions.

00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:10,673

Marc Preston: I like to ask questions.

00:50:11,134 --> 00:50:12,397

Marc Preston: I used to do this when I had a syndicator

00:50:12,417 --> 00:50:14,162

Marc Preston: radio show many moons ago on ABC.

00:50:14,262 --> 00:50:17,821

Marc Preston: But what is your favorite comfort food?

00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:19,394

Chris Baker: Anything chocolate.

00:50:21,111 --> 00:50:23,016

Marc Preston: You know, my oldest daughter get along very,

00:50:23,096 --> 00:50:23,578

Marc Preston: very well.

00:50:23,758 --> 00:50:25,182

Marc Preston: If there's nothing in the house, chocolate

00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:25,431

Marc Preston: there's.

00:50:25,451 --> 00:50:27,258

Marc Preston: There's a collective sigh like oh no.

00:50:30,112 --> 00:50:32,280

Marc Preston: Now, who are three people.

00:50:32,361 --> 00:50:33,606

Marc Preston: If you could sit down for a cup of coffee,

00:50:34,128 --> 00:50:34,630

Marc Preston: it could be a lot.

00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:35,514

Marc Preston: It could be living or dead.

00:50:36,272 --> 00:50:37,358

Marc Preston: Who would you want to sit down with?

00:50:37,419 --> 00:50:38,887

Marc Preston: And at that table of four people you and

00:50:38,908 --> 00:50:40,572

Marc Preston: three others who would you like to sit down

00:50:40,612 --> 00:50:41,454

Marc Preston: with and chat?

00:50:43,017 --> 00:50:46,787

Chris Baker: You know Barry, barack Obama, david Sideris

00:50:48,471 --> 00:50:51,079

Chris Baker: and Michelle Pfeiffer.

00:50:52,236 --> 00:50:53,639

Marc Preston: That's an interesting table, you know.

00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:54,582

Marc Preston: I'd be more fun actually.

00:50:54,602 --> 00:50:56,025

Marc Preston: Instead coffee, have some beers, you know

00:50:56,266 --> 00:50:57,196

Marc Preston: kind of cut lies, something.

00:50:57,216 --> 00:50:59,182

Marc Preston: Something tells me you know the president

00:50:59,202 --> 00:50:59,965

Marc Preston: would be down with that.

00:51:00,205 --> 00:51:03,727

Marc Preston: Yeah, now who is your celebrity crush when

00:51:03,747 --> 00:51:04,270

Marc Preston: you were a kid?

00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:11,378

Chris Baker: Oh, Well, you know and and and and there

00:51:11,418 --> 00:51:15,748

Chris Baker: was a guy on the OC that I think his no, I

00:51:15,886 --> 00:51:17,881

Chris Baker: know his name is Chris Carmack.

00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:18,577

Chris Baker: I don't know.

00:51:18,816 --> 00:51:20,341

Chris Baker: I think he's on Grey's Anatomy now, but I

00:51:20,381 --> 00:51:21,123

Chris Baker: don't watch Grey's Anatomy.

00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:26,185

Chris Baker: I was in love with him and I mean I love

00:51:26,225 --> 00:51:29,760

Chris Baker: that show, I just ate that show up, but I I

00:51:29,821 --> 00:51:31,947

Chris Baker: couldn't believe someone like that

00:51:32,067 --> 00:51:34,173

Chris Baker: physically could exist and he played a very

00:51:34,233 --> 00:51:36,066

Chris Baker: stupid character and I always found that

00:51:36,127 --> 00:51:36,935

Chris Baker: very attractive.

00:51:38,381 --> 00:51:40,836

Chris Baker: Yeah, that's.

00:51:40,936 --> 00:51:41,357

Marc Preston: It's funny.

00:51:41,438 --> 00:51:42,800

Marc Preston: You mentioned Grey's Anatomy, the.

00:51:43,261 --> 00:51:44,845

Marc Preston: I remember sitting down with Patrick

00:51:44,865 --> 00:51:49,097

Marc Preston: Dempsey for a movie God it was called, was

00:51:49,117 --> 00:51:49,679

Marc Preston: it with honors?

00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,718

Marc Preston: It was years ago With the.

00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:54,782

Marc Preston: Brendan Fraser was in it and so I sat down

00:51:54,802 --> 00:51:54,982

Marc Preston: with him.

00:51:55,243 --> 00:51:56,146

Marc Preston: I'm sitting, look at this guy going.

00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:58,647

Marc Preston: This guy is on the process, man, he's this

00:51:58,667 --> 00:51:59,815

Marc Preston: guy, he's, he's this nicest guy.

00:52:00,016 --> 00:52:01,242

Marc Preston: He's got this cool about him.

00:52:01,402 --> 00:52:03,573

Marc Preston: And here is dr McDreamy years later, you

00:52:03,613 --> 00:52:04,015

Marc Preston: know so.

00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,506

Marc Preston: Now, if you were to find next question,

00:52:08,546 --> 00:52:10,937

Marc Preston: what would be Perfect day for you?

00:52:11,318 --> 00:52:13,924

Marc Preston: Get up, day starts great from stem to stern.

00:52:14,505 --> 00:52:15,728

Marc Preston: What would be a perfect day for you?

00:52:16,496 --> 00:52:17,882

Marc Preston: What would be the component parts of that?

00:52:19,156 --> 00:52:21,883

Chris Baker: Every day is waking up real like right

00:52:22,144 --> 00:52:27,683

Chris Baker: after sunrise, walking my dog, then doing a

00:52:27,723 --> 00:52:30,033

Chris Baker: workout of some kind and kind of getting

00:52:30,074 --> 00:52:33,200

Chris Baker: all those Although all that stress and

00:52:33,481 --> 00:52:35,324

Chris Baker: whatever I drank the night before out of my

00:52:35,364 --> 00:52:38,290

Chris Baker: system and sweating that out and then

00:52:39,655 --> 00:52:42,384

Chris Baker: Writing some really really, really great,

00:52:42,685 --> 00:52:46,260

Chris Baker: great Scenes with great crackling dialogue

00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,264

Chris Baker: that there's just no better jug than that,

00:52:48,364 --> 00:52:51,169

Chris Baker: and then going out for pasta with my

00:52:51,249 --> 00:52:51,530

Chris Baker: husband.

00:52:52,376 --> 00:52:54,361

Marc Preston: Yeah, it's gotta get those carbs and nuts.

00:52:54,401 --> 00:52:55,264

Marc Preston: That's, that's, that's.

00:52:55,284 --> 00:52:55,765

Marc Preston: Hey, man, am I?

00:52:55,865 --> 00:52:56,856

Marc Preston: I'm getting a little older man, I got to

00:52:56,876 --> 00:52:58,299

Marc Preston: keep an eye out for that, but I'll do it

00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:58,600

Marc Preston: still.

00:52:58,721 --> 00:53:00,646

Marc Preston: Hey, you know I don't mind a couple pounds,

00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:06,077

Marc Preston: sure, why not Now, if you were gonna be On

00:53:06,117 --> 00:53:08,563

Marc Preston: an island and you're bringing one album,

00:53:08,884 --> 00:53:11,658

Marc Preston: you're bringing one movie, what are you

00:53:11,678 --> 00:53:12,180

Marc Preston: taking with you?

00:53:12,537 --> 00:53:13,826

Marc Preston: Well you know you're gonna be there for a

00:53:13,866 --> 00:53:14,128

Marc Preston: while.

00:53:14,148 --> 00:53:15,215

Marc Preston: You're gonna be there for a few months and

00:53:15,235 --> 00:53:16,499

Marc Preston: that's the only thing you can listen to,

00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,005

Marc Preston: only thing you can watch, and you're not

00:53:19,025 --> 00:53:19,707

Marc Preston: gonna get tired of it.

00:53:21,298 --> 00:53:23,542

Chris Baker: So the album this is kind of a cheap, but

00:53:23,582 --> 00:53:28,279

Chris Baker: the oh no, yeah, I'm gonna say the album

00:53:28,299 --> 00:53:30,365

Chris Baker: that I would take is Madonna's immaculate

00:53:30,385 --> 00:53:33,359

Chris Baker: collection, because I'm gay and that's what

00:53:33,379 --> 00:53:35,525

Chris Baker: I've, that's just, that's what I have, no

00:53:35,565 --> 00:53:35,987

Chris Baker: other choice.

00:53:36,536 --> 00:53:37,478

Marc Preston: It's a pretty diverse album.

00:53:37,498 --> 00:53:38,259

Marc Preston: There's a lot going on.

00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:39,342

Chris Baker: Yeah, a lot going on.

00:53:39,883 --> 00:53:44,818

Chris Baker: And then the one movie I would take, uh, is

00:53:44,899 --> 00:53:48,161

Chris Baker: probably my best friend's wedding.

00:53:49,986 --> 00:53:50,769

Chris Baker: And then what was the other thing?

00:53:52,461 --> 00:53:54,369

Marc Preston: Just the album and the movie and the movie,

00:53:54,389 --> 00:53:54,730

Marc Preston: that's it.

00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:55,834

Marc Preston: You know, keep yourself entertained.

00:53:57,943 --> 00:53:59,070

Marc Preston: Now, last couple questions.

00:53:59,090 --> 00:54:02,061

Marc Preston: You got a DeLorean, your cruise of back 16

00:54:02,101 --> 00:54:02,763

Marc Preston: year old Chris.

00:54:03,004 --> 00:54:04,529

Marc Preston: What are you going to tell him?

00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:05,493

Marc Preston: If you have, if you've got, you know, an

00:54:05,513 --> 00:54:07,670

Marc Preston: hour to sit down with younger you, where do

00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:08,134

Marc Preston: you got to tell him?

00:54:08,154 --> 00:54:11,626

Chris Baker: Oh, Words of advice start sooner.

00:54:12,047 --> 00:54:13,893

Marc Preston: Yeah, that's great advice for anybody kind

00:54:13,913 --> 00:54:16,139

Marc Preston: of kind of together with that is the idea

00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:16,921

Marc Preston: that you know.

00:54:17,141 --> 00:54:18,806

Marc Preston: Start now at least get going, do it.

00:54:18,866 --> 00:54:20,329

Chris Baker: Don't be afraid, don't.

00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:22,314

Chris Baker: Don't listen to, to what people don't you

00:54:22,334 --> 00:54:22,435

Chris Baker: know.

00:54:23,395 --> 00:54:25,691

Chris Baker: I think things worked out the way they were

00:54:25,711 --> 00:54:26,033

Chris Baker: supposed to.

00:54:26,073 --> 00:54:30,613

Chris Baker: But yeah, I would tell my 16 year old self

00:54:30,633 --> 00:54:30,994

Chris Baker: to start now.

00:54:31,015 --> 00:54:32,523

Chris Baker: Yeah, very nice.

00:54:32,543 --> 00:54:37,025

Marc Preston: And then the last question Now we catch up

00:54:37,045 --> 00:54:38,390

Marc Preston: with years from now and if they, they get

00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:39,193

Marc Preston: the documentary of your life coming out,

00:54:39,213 --> 00:54:41,484

Marc Preston: because you're fabulously Famous, wealthy,

00:54:42,231 --> 00:54:45,029

Marc Preston: hopefully, and you remember, remember a

00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:46,055

Marc Preston: small people down the line, of course, but

00:54:46,816 --> 00:54:49,230

Marc Preston: who would you, who would you like to have

00:54:49,251 --> 00:54:49,975

Marc Preston: narrate the documentary of your life?

00:54:51,619 --> 00:54:53,911

Chris Baker: Oh, I have to because I really love both of

00:54:53,931 --> 00:54:54,775

Chris Baker: their voices, for different reasons.

00:54:54,775 --> 00:54:56,321

Chris Baker: So whoever made it to the voiceover booth

00:54:56,341 --> 00:54:57,906

Chris Baker: and that was still around, because they're

00:54:57,926 --> 00:55:03,000

Chris Baker: both older than me, giovanni Robisi and

00:55:05,772 --> 00:55:07,079

Chris Baker: Delroy lendo I I'm obsessed with nice

00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:08,003

Chris Baker: choices Very good, yeah, actually I think.

00:55:08,023 --> 00:55:09,871

Marc Preston: Giovanni Robisi, he's he's narrated a

00:55:09,891 --> 00:55:11,682

Marc Preston: couple things I've heard before.

00:55:13,457 --> 00:55:15,808

Marc Preston: I narrated the version suicides, which is a

00:55:15,828 --> 00:55:16,853

Marc Preston: very I knew there was something he did,

00:55:16,893 --> 00:55:18,982

Marc Preston: yeah, yep, and you know, actually, one of

00:55:19,002 --> 00:55:20,974

Marc Preston: my favorite characters he ever did.

00:55:21,655 --> 00:55:23,312

Marc Preston: It's one of my favorite movies, sophia

00:55:23,405 --> 00:55:26,184

Marc Preston: Copeland, drawn a blank here in Japan.

00:55:25,895 --> 00:55:27,618

Marc Preston: Oh, lots of translation, lots of

00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:29,493

Marc Preston: translations my favorite movies ever, Uh.

00:55:29,586 --> 00:55:30,058

Marc Preston: I love.

00:55:30,151 --> 00:55:32,152

Marc Preston: His character was just like he wasn't in a

00:55:32,244 --> 00:55:33,194

Marc Preston: big part of the movie.

00:55:35,341 --> 00:55:36,244

Marc Preston: But it's just something.

00:55:36,646 --> 00:55:38,351

Marc Preston: Anything he's in, I'm gonna watch yeah but

00:55:38,371 --> 00:55:38,773

Marc Preston: hey my friend.

00:55:38,793 --> 00:55:39,937

Marc Preston: Thank you, I want to thank you for taking

00:55:39,957 --> 00:55:41,345

Marc Preston: the time to just sit down and chat a little

00:55:41,606 --> 00:55:48,134

Marc Preston: talking story Again, the movie the estate

00:55:48,254 --> 00:55:51,309

Marc Preston: on hulu, I gotta you gotta catch it's fun.

00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:54,424

Marc Preston: I recommend a nice bottle of wine, maybe

00:55:54,464 --> 00:55:55,610

Marc Preston: some, you know, maybe some carbs, sure you

00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:56,535

Marc Preston: know, just make an evening of it certainly.

00:55:56,535 --> 00:55:58,743

Marc Preston: But I want to thank you as really kind of

00:55:58,864 --> 00:56:01,574

Marc Preston: you to take some time with me on a Friday

00:56:01,694 --> 00:56:02,155

Marc Preston: nonetheless.

00:56:02,678 --> 00:56:04,850

Marc Preston: But I I wish you nothing but health,

00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:08,546

Marc Preston: happiness, prosperity.

00:56:08,586 --> 00:56:09,730

Marc Preston: I know great things are coming from you and

00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:10,553

Marc Preston: uh, and hopefully we'll have a chance to

00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:11,015

Marc Preston: catch up down the line.

00:56:13,763 --> 00:56:15,768

Chris Baker: I appreciate this so much and thank you for

00:56:15,809 --> 00:56:17,313

Chris Baker: your support and thank you for taking the

00:56:17,333 --> 00:56:17,534

Chris Baker: time.

00:56:17,594 --> 00:56:18,055

Chris Baker: I really appreciate it.

00:56:20,305 --> 00:56:21,409

Marc Preston: Well, there you go, chris Baker.

00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:21,992

Marc Preston: What a what a cool chat.

00:56:22,012 --> 00:56:22,434

Marc Preston: Really enjoyed it.

00:56:22,454 --> 00:56:25,104

Marc Preston: Uh, you know the people that are out there

00:56:25,124 --> 00:56:26,793

Marc Preston: in the world creating their thing, getting

00:56:26,833 --> 00:56:31,790

Marc Preston: it out there, it's very inspirational,

00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:32,714

Marc Preston: whether it be writing a book, a song, uh,

00:56:32,734 --> 00:56:34,963

Marc Preston: screenplay, a movie, whatever.

00:56:35,023 --> 00:56:36,910

Marc Preston: If you are a creative type, I don't care

00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:38,195

Marc Preston: what you're doing, keep on doing it.

00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,805

Marc Preston: And you know, chris is a prime example.

00:56:40,825 --> 00:56:42,432

Marc Preston: If you do it and you just kind of stick to

00:56:42,452 --> 00:56:48,031

Marc Preston: it, cool things can happen, without a doubt.

00:56:48,051 --> 00:56:49,134

Marc Preston: Once again, the movie is called the estate.

00:56:49,154 --> 00:56:51,105

Marc Preston: It is on hulu, a little something different

00:56:51,165 --> 00:56:52,375

Marc Preston: than you're probably used to seeing.

00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:57,450

Marc Preston: Once again, the estate on hulu.

00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:58,373

Marc Preston: The next few episodes oh man, we got some

00:56:58,413 --> 00:56:58,935

Marc Preston: cool, cool guests coming up.

00:56:59,236 --> 00:57:01,044

Marc Preston: Hey, I'm gonna get on out of here.

00:57:01,084 --> 00:57:02,690

Marc Preston: You have yourself a killer.

00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:03,795

Marc Preston: Rest of the week, be safe.

00:57:07,578 --> 00:57:09,179

Marc Preston: And, uh, we'll check you out next week

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Marc Preston: right here on story and craft.

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