Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine | Ugandan Moving Pictures

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Went to my students, I said,

 

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look, I like this audition.

 

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I'm not right for it, but

I'm gonna do whatever.

 

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I can just do the best I can.

 

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Sometimes the goal is to do the

least embarrassing job you can do.

 

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Announcer: Welcome to Story and Craft.

 

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Now, here's your host, Marc Preston.

 

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Marc Preston: All right, here we go.

 

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Another episode of Story and Craft.

 

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Welcome back.

 

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I'm Marc Preston, and,

uh, glad to have you here.

 

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If this is your very

first episode, welcome.

 

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Glad to have you here.

 

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Uh, today we are sitting down

with actor Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine.

 

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Uh, you might know him from the Shy.

 

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Uh, he was also in Treme, uh, the

Lincoln Lawyer, the new show on Apple tv.

 

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You can check him out in.

 

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Right now is called Smoke.

 

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It is with Taryn Edgerton, Jurnee Smollette, John Leguizamo.

 

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Uh, it is out right now and coming up

soon, I believe, in just a few weeks.

 

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The new season of Dexter Resurrection,

you can check him out there, as

 

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well as Washington Black, which is

coming out on Hulu soon as well.

 

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Today is Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine Day

right here on Story and Craft.

 

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Where are you joining me from today?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I am in my

dressing room at, uh, the Dexter,

 

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uh, resurrection Production Office.

 

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So you might hear some, some,

uh, some background noise.

 

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That's the, the crew.

 

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Marc Preston: Are you in the LA area?

 

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Is that where you are right now?

 

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No,

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: we're in New York.

 

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The series is filming in New

York, so we've been here Oh, okay.

 

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Since January.

 

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Uh, made it through winter

now seeing into spring

 

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Marc Preston: and summer.

 

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So did the, uh, production

just start there or are y'all

 

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kind of midstream right now?

 

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I.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

No, we're at the tail end.

 

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I actually just wrapped and we

have, I think a week, a week

 

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and a half left of filming.

 

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Marc Preston: So where

are you from originally?

 

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Uh uh Where, where,

where do you hail from?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

That's a great question.

 

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Uh, my parents are originally from Uganda.

 

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Uh, both were my.

 

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My parents'.

 

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Parents, my parents', parents', parents.

 

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My parents', parents', parents,

parents were all from Uganda.

 

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I was the first in the family to be

born outside the country in Hanover,

 

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New Hampshire, uh, during my dad's last

exam when he was at Dartmouth College.

 

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Marc Preston: Okay.

 

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So he came over here to

do the college thing.

 

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That was what brought him this way.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

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Both of my parents came for their studies.

 

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Marc Preston: What did

they come here to study?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

They came for university.

 

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My dad was at Dartmouth College where I

was born, uh, in Hanover, New Hampshire.

 

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And from there he went to Harvard Law

School in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

 

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I lived there for a little bit as a kid.

 

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Um, so grew up in the Boston area.

 

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Um, then moved to Stockbridge

in the Berkshires.

 

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My mom was a, uh, psychologist.

 

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She had gone to Boston University

and went to Howard as well.

 

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So education was key for them.

 

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Um.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Marc Preston: Well this begs the question.

 

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You have two academics, uh, or, or

folks who went into a law psychology.

 

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So what was their feeling like, okay, our

son's gonna be doing the acting thing.

 

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Was that like, okay, cool, cool?

 

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Or were they like, uh, why

are you not getting yourself

 

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a, uh, professional degree?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: They've

been really supportive, uh,

 

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throughout, although they might

have been mystified at the onset.

 

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They were always engaged and curious.

 

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Um.

 

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My parents came to see some of

my plays when I was in college.

 

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When I was in grad school, uh, at NYU.

 

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My dad actually came and sat in on

one of the classes and I thought might

 

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have been a, a mistake on my part.

 

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'cause he was like, if you love

this so much, you should find

 

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a way to pay for it yourself.

 

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So he had been helping me out at

that point, but I had, I just had

 

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to take out student loans too.

 

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To, uh, finish up my studies.

 

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'cause he was like, well this

is, you know, we were all sitting

 

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around on the floor and doing

our rolling around exercises.

 

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I, I know you interviewed one of my, um,

former schoolmates Garrett Dilla Hunt.

 

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Marc Preston: Oh, yes, yes.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: He might have

run into Garrett in the hallways and

 

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been like, what the heck is this?

 

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But he was there.

 

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He came to see when I had a

lead role at the Steppenwolf

 

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Theater and the Kennedy Center.

 

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My dad was there, flew from Uganda

to come and see these productions.

 

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So, although it was a shock, uh.

 

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They, they were fully supportive.

 

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And embracive, embracive.

 

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Marc Preston: What kind of law did

your, uh, or does your father practice?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Uh, my father,

both my parents have since passed.

 

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Oh, okay.

 

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My dad was, uh, a banker.

 

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He was the head of the legal department

at the, uh, world Bank for a while.

 

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Uh, worked at the Kuwait Fund, head of,

uh, yeah, so he was a. A finance lawyer.

 

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Marc Preston: Did you pick

up any, uh, osmotically?

 

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Did you pick up any kind of desire

to like, okay, well this law thing

 

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is kind of interesting or psychology.

 

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Was there any kind of, uh, a draw

at any time to something like that?

 

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Or did you, was, was it always performance

and being on stage and, and whatnot?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Well, I think psychology and

 

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acting, the arts, there's, uh.

 

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Uh, a close relationship.

 

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And so I've always

interested in psychology.

 

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I used to read some of my mom's

psych books that she had lying

 

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around during our summer breaks,

um, when she was in Nairobi.

 

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Um, and that just keyed my interest

into the human psyche and how we work.

 

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The why we keep engaging in

self-destructive behavior or you

 

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know, where inspiration comes from.

 

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All those things that were.

 

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Or you know, that that psychology sort

of unravels kinda, it kind of helps

 

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Marc Preston: you to, you know, in

the future of all the people you'll

 

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be working with, it's gonna help you

understand them as well, you know?

 

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Exactly.

 

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Um, you're the first gentleman I've

had the opportunity to sit down

 

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with from as Ug got Uganda correct?

 

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As Uganda?

 

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Yes.

 

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Is there any kind of a tradition there

in the theater arts or, or performance

 

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or storytelling, or is there anything

that, that is kind of organic that's

 

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just sort of part of the culture there?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

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Um, storytelling is rich tradition.

 

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We come from an oral history mm-hmm.

 

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Tradition.

 

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And there's a thing called, which

takes place at weddings where

 

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there's, uh, an orator who comes

out like the mc, and he'll just.

 

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Do these incredible, like off the

riff, you know, poems about the bride

 

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and groom and, and their journey.

 

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Uh, so I, I grew up going to

weddings, traditional weddings,

 

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and seeing how stories and

storytelling was vital and key.

 

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Part of our.

 

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Traditions.

 

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Marc Preston: It seems like a lot of

great cultures that they have an oral

 

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tradition and, and unfortunately like, you

know, whenever you have a lot of colonial

 

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things going on that kind of gets rid of

a lot of that, that's part of the, the

 

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tactic, you know, so it's good that they

managed to kind of hold onto that aspect

 

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of storytelling and whatnot in history.

 

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You went to NYU, uh, correct.

 

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For grad school?

 

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Yes.

 

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I went school to University

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: of

Virginia, university of Virginia for

 

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undergrad and NYU for grad school.

 

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Uh, high school.

 

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I was in boarding school

in Quebec, so Oh, okay.

 

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Got around a bit.

 

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Marc Preston: Were, were

you studying acting?

 

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Was that the, was that

the, the, uh, theater

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: undergrad?

 

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I was studying political

science and theater.

 

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Uh, theater was my major.

 

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Political science was my.

 

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A minor.

 

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And then for, uh, graduate school,

I was at the, uh, the MFA acting

 

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program at Tisch School of the Arts.

 

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Marc Preston: Were, were you

going, okay, I wanna do theater,

 

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I wanna be on the stage, that's

my jam, that's what I wanna do.

 

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Or was there a destination like

to be on screen where you're

 

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like, that's what I want to do?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Interestingly

enough, you know, in grad school there

 

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was people that you thought would

have a trajectory for film and tv.

 

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Um.

 

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Uh, everyone thought Garrett

was, you know, a movie star.

 

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Mm-hmm.

 

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'cause he just had the look, he had

the talent and, uh, I don't know if

 

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you know his incredible singing voice.

 

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This guy can belt.

 

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I can't sing it with a lick, even though

three years of grad school and training.

 

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Well, he's, he's

 

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Marc Preston: kind of

initially a quiet guy.

 

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When you talk to him, he's kind of a

little, you know, he kinda worms up.

 

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If I ever have a chance to

speak with him again, I'm gonna

 

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be like, dude, you held back.

 

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You didn't tell me about

the singing thing you did.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I can't sing.

 

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I have two left feet.

 

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And I think most people, a lot of people

thought I was going to fare better on

 

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film and television for some reason.

 

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I, maybe my voice as well.

 

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Um, but right when I got outta school,

I mean, I couldn't crack a, a, a

 

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job in film and TV was all theater.

 

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I was just doing theater all the time.

 

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Um, my first job was, uh.

 

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Yeah, when I first got outta school,

I was auditioning for like Oliver

 

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Stone, some Woody Allen film.

 

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Uh, like a bunch of like great films

and not, I didn't get any of them.

 

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The first job I ended up getting

was the national tour of Six

 

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Degrees of Separation, uh, which

was, had just been on Broadway.

 

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And so I spent a year traveling

around the country, uh, going from

 

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LA to San Francisco, to Washington

DC to all the major, you know,

 

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Philly, all the major cities.

 

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Performing the play for a year.

 

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Marc Preston: If you were to go back into

your resume and go, okay, this was the

 

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first time when it just, it's not that the

bug bit you, but where you're like, okay,

 

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I'm feeling good about this, this is,

this Rolls media, that this is satisfying

 

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why I decided to become an actor.

 

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I mean, what was that first big role

for you if you were to go back in tie?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

That was my first job.

 

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I got extremely lucky, uh, that my first

job was a lead role in a Broadway play.

 

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1. Um, doing six degrees of separation.

 

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Uh, I didn't realize how lucky I was

until after the fact when the other,

 

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the other came, things that came

afterwards weren't quite as juicy.

 

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Uh, but yeah, I was really fortunate.

 

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My first.

 

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My first break was a lead

role in a a Broadway show.

 

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Marc Preston: Where do you live full-time?

 

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Are you, do you live in

New York full-time now or?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I, I've

been in New York since January

 

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filming on Dexter Resurrection,

but I'm based in Los Angeles.

 

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Marc Preston: Is there any, uh, pull

for you to, you know, because now

 

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with technology and uh, being able

to connect, have meetings, audition,

 

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whatever, have you, you can live anywhere.

 

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Is there any draw for you

to make your way to Africa?

 

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You know, does that feel like home base in

a way, uh, because your parents, or does

 

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this really feel more like home for you?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I feel

like a child of both worlds.

 

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Um, and I've been fortunate as a

result of technology, as you said,

 

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to be able to book jobs from Uganda,

recording them in my mom's bathroom.

 

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Send it to my agent and then

like, unfortunately, the wifi

 

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was strong enough to send that

audition and ended up booking a job.

 

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So yeah, we're, we're living in an age

where, you know, you're not necessarily,

 

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um, tied down to a particular location.

 

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Um, but LA has been home for a while.

 

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Both of my kids were born there.

 

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Uh.

 

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We were thinking of, my wife's

family's from New York and so when

 

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I got this job here, she thought

this is a sign, you know, we

 

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should be moving back to New York.

 

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Uh, I've always wanted to be closer

to the family and I was open to it.

 

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'cause I was like, here, I'm

gonna be possibly working

 

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here for the next few years.

 

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Um, but one taste of winter,

 

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Marc Preston: um, yeah.

 

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When the kids,

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: when the

kids bot talk, you're talking to a

 

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Marc Preston: guy who's got a

hundred steps to the beach, so No.

 

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Oh, cold weather is not my jam.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

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I've gotten soft.

 

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I mean, I grew up in New England,

but now if it gets to 65 degrees.

 

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You might as well.

 

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I mean, I just soft, I got turned

the seat heaters on in the car.

 

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It's just, yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Marc Preston: Oh yeah.

 

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Well now I use the seat heaters for my

back is bothering me and I, you know,

 

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it's like use 'em as a heating pad

more than I'm to warm up, you know?

 

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Yeah.

 

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Now how old are your kids?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Six and eight.

 

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How about yours or is he still young?

 

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Marc Preston: Oh my, I've got a

22-year-old, a 20, uh, and a, uh,

 

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19-year-old and the, the 22-year-old

just graduated last year is teaching

 

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school in New Orleans and my son's about

to graduate and, uh, congratulations.

 

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Oh, thank you.

 

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Yeah, he's graduating.

 

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They both.

 

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Knocked it out in a year,

uh, three and a half years.

 

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My youngest, my 19-year-old who's

down here with me, she is like,

 

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yeah, I just realized, 'cause she

did some studying in Barcelona.

 

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She just realized she can, she's on

a three year program, but she found

 

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out that she can actually graduate

a semester early 'cause she's got.

 

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These extra credits, like, these

kids are way smarter than me.

 

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You know, that's so intimidating

when you realize your kids

 

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are brighter than you are.

 

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You know?

 

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It means you means you've done a good job.

 

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Well, I hope so.

 

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I hope my, my fingers are crossed.

 

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But hey, you don't always end up talking

food at least one time during my show.

 

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Uh, during each episode.

 

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But I'm curious what's like a, a

quintessential Ugandan dish, like a,

 

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uh, me living, coming being from Texas.

 

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Somebody said, what's

a uniquely Texas dish?

 

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I'll say like chicken fried steak.

 

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You know, something like that.

 

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What is something Ugandan, what is

something, uh, quintessential Ugandan.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Well, funny

enough, you mentioned Texas, uh, which

 

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is known for the Longhorn cattle.

 

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And the Longhorn cattle are said to

be, have begun in Uganda, the ANCO cow.

 

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Marc Preston: Really?

 

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Really?

 

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Yes.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Yeah, that's like the origin.

 

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So Uganda's actually close

to Texas in terms of.

 

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Meat and potatoes kind of, uh, fair.

 

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They have a thing rather than potatoes.

 

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They have this thing called mato,

which is steamed, uh, bananas.

 

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Not, not the yellow banana, like we know

like green banana, which is steamed.

 

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And that's like the base,

that's like the potatoes, right?

 

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Right.

 

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It's your starch basically.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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All kinds of stews.

 

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Beef stew, chicken stew,

peanut stew, fish, stew.

 

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Would dress the dish and

then, uh, all sorts of greens.

 

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So you would, you'd, you'd feel

at home if you were in Uganda.

 

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Marc Preston: That's one

thing I love about doing this.

 

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I end up learning something,

uh, pretty much every time.

 

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You know something?

 

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I didn't know Longhorn

Cattle coming from Uganda.

 

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That is very cool.

 

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In fact, there's a little, uh, there's

a little, you know, 'cause I live on

 

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an island where they've got a little.

 

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Oh, I got like zip lining and,

and horse ride horseback riding.

 

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There's, you know, stuff for

folks to do and, uh, they have

 

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some Longhorn cattle there.

 

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And my, my daughter and I just

happened to drive by and I'm like,

 

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I realize I, I grew up in Texas,

been for, you know, my whole life.

 

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Never actually was up close

and personal with a longhorn.

 

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Steer there.

 

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I'm like, oh, okay.

 

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This is what they look like up

close and personal, you know?

 

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And my family went to the University of

Texas, so that's their, their mascot.

 

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So, you know, I gotta tell them, tell

them there's something I learned.

 

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Um, I'm

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: actually

heading to Texas and Uganda is

 

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having, there's a Ugandan convention.

 

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In Austin.

 

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Really.

 

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Okay.

 

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So just to, just to make it clear,

to drive home the connection

 

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between Uganda and Texas,

 

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Marc Preston: that that's pretty Uganda

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: and co conference

about Longhorn cattle and, you know, the

 

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tradition and cultures in Austin, Texas,

the week of June, weekend of June 19th.

 

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Marc Preston: Now if you're a

beef eater, you gotta check out,

 

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uh, which I've never been there.

 

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Uh, I've tried to go there, but they

have a long line usually, but it's

 

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a place called Franklin Barbecue.

 

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People start lining up in the morning

for lunch and they're usually sold out,

 

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I think by like 3:00 PM or something.

 

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But, uh, the last time I was in

Austin was during COVID, so everything

 

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goes outta out of kilter there.

 

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But if you go there, that's, that's

the station on the cross you gotta hit

 

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when it comes to barbecue in Texas.

 

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And I always do the show before I.

Before I, before I have lunch, so

 

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I'm like hungry thinking about it.

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Well,

but glad to sweat your appetite.

 

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I'm, I'm, I'm actually, uh, an anomaly.

 

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'cause I am, I'm one of the few

people of, of Ugandan descent

 

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who are actually a vegan.

 

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So they just, okay, okay.

 

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They don't understand like no dairy even.

 

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So

 

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Marc Preston: I was gonna ask

you, I was like, well, my.

 

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We're getting an education on Uganda.

 

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Was it ever a, a colonial, uh, was there

ever any kind of European, like, you know,

 

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seems like Africa's been littered with all

these, you know, once upon a time, former

 

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fill in the blank colony or, or whatever.

 

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Did Uganda ever have any kind

of colonial influence at all?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Um, I am

fortunate to be, uh, be able to trace

 

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my family lineage over 500 years.

 

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My father was part of the

royal family of Van, so.

 

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Our story begins before the British

even set foot in Uganda, uh, Uhhuh.

 

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There are kingdoms throughout the country.

 

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Uh, and we didn't really, it wasn't

considered a country, it was just

 

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kingdoms throughout the country.

 

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Mm-hmm.

 

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Which, you know, uh, were

splintered into in, into.

 

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The continent was carved up by foreigners.

 

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Yeah.

 

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And, uh, a lot of conflict

resulted in it, in our place.

 

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But yeah, there was a brief period

where the British were there.

 

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But, um, my, my history

traces back further than that.

 

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All of our cell phones, the,

the cult on comes from Congo.

 

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Uh, still happening to this day.

 

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It's like a lot of the minerals, vital

minerals are, are, are being used to, uh,

 

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fuel this conversation that we're having.

 

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Marc Preston: The dichotomy of

like enjoying the benefit of

 

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this, but going, okay, we got

this because fill in the blank.

 

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It's bunch of knuckleheads.

 

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But uh, it's such a rich

and interesting history.

 

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Whenever I have an opportunity

to speak with someone, uh, from

 

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that neck of the woods, I always

find it very interesting to learn.

 

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I've only had Ethiopian food one time and

where I live now, they don't really have

 

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a big diversity of different kind of.

 

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Cuisines and I'm kinda like,

okay, I wanna, I wanna try.

 

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I love trying different stuff,

you know, it's the cheapest

 

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way to travel in my mind.

 

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You know.

 

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Um, you met your wife.

 

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Were y'all in New York when y'all

met, or uh, uh, were you in LA

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: We met,

we met in Los Angeles at, uh, the

 

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Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

 

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They have a Friday night jazz series and,

uh, I saw her across the way and caught my

 

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eye and just went up and said hello and.

 

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Now we have two kids.

 

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Marc Preston: Very nice.

 

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So is she, is she in the, is

she in the industry as well?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: No, not at all.

 

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She works in fashion, um, sort

of behind the scenes doing, um.

 

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The, um, she manages the sort of

the website, the online portal

 

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for, uh, a fashion company.

 

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So anytime you hover your mouse,

they, they, they track everything.

 

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Marc Preston: Uh, you

mentioned the jazz thing.

 

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Speaking of, uh, jazz, uh, is

that something you're, is that

 

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something you're really into?

 

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Are you, is jazz kind of your jam?

 

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Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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And my son, uh, we, Nick, we

named, his middle name is Coltrane.

 

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Uh, he's a big John Coltrane fan.

 

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Marc Preston: I spent 20 years,

uh, I'm from Dallas originally, but

 

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I spent the last oh, 20, a little

over 20 years in New Orleans.

 

435

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I know there's the Chicago Jazz thing,

there's the New Orleans Jazz, there's

 

436

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different pockets, but, uh, was there

any specific, besides John Coltrane,

 

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uh, were there any kind of like.

 

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00:18:45,765 --> 00:18:49,425

Genres of jazz that you find

are kind of really grab you.

 

439

00:18:49,785 --> 00:18:53,175

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Um, I

spent, uh, four years working in New

 

440

00:18:53,175 --> 00:18:57,675

Orleans on this TV series, Tremaine,

so I got a nice, oh, wait, wait.

 

441

00:18:57,675 --> 00:18:57,975

I didn't

 

442

00:18:57,975 --> 00:18:59,505

Marc Preston: even, I

did not even see that.

 

443

00:18:59,510 --> 00:19:00,585

I, I, you know what?

 

444

00:19:00,585 --> 00:19:02,295

I auditioned for that a few times.

 

445

00:19:02,565 --> 00:19:05,055

That would, that was a great

production and, uh, yeah.

 

446

00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,590

What was Treme like for you?

 

447

00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:09,379

'cause that was a, that was a big

show in New Orleans and it was, it

 

448

00:19:09,379 --> 00:19:13,010

really captured, I think, kind of

the flavor of New Orleans a little

 

449

00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:15,709

bit more realistically, you know,

than a lot of stuff out there.

 

450

00:19:15,709 --> 00:19:17,449

Well, what, what was that

experience like for you?

 

451

00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:20,300

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: No, there's no

better way than sort of discovering a

 

452

00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:22,520

city than, than being on a show sometimes.

 

453

00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,360

'cause you get windowed into access into

things that you might not necessarily see.

 

454

00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:28,129

I played a sous chef.

 

455

00:19:28,380 --> 00:19:31,920

So I got to hang out in all these

great restaurants, in the kitchens, and

 

456

00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,570

we'd always get carte blanche whenever

we would go out, uh, to find dining.

 

457

00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:40,500

Um, and of course the music

scene is unparalleled.

 

458

00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,260

Uh, we were filming there the year the,

um, new and Saints won the Super Bowl.

 

459

00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:47,340

Oh yeah.

 

460

00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:49,680

It was like, it felt like you were

in the center of the universe.

 

461

00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:51,600

Marc Preston: There was

a lady who was the chef.

 

462

00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,050

Right.

 

463

00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:53,190

And that was kind of storyline.

 

464

00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:53,430

Okay.

 

465

00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:53,940

See, I now,

 

466

00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:56,760

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: and I

played her sous chef on the.

 

467

00:19:57,540 --> 00:19:58,440

Marc Preston: Now it's coming back to me.

 

468

00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,290

I don't always trust my memory,

but you know, I'm trying to think.

 

469

00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:05,400

The di uh, uh, um, God, the

director I auditioned for, um.

 

470

00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:08,130

I'm trying to remember names.

 

471

00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:12,210

Tall guy, actor, um, uh, who

was married to Susan Sarandon.

 

472

00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:14,160

Um, I'm drawing a blank on it.

 

473

00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:14,340

Okay.

 

474

00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:15,030

His name will come to me.

 

475

00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,430

I remember, if you remember

Second Line Studios.

 

476

00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:18,390

Tim Robbins.

 

477

00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:19,050

Tim Robbins, yeah.

 

478

00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:23,280

That's, he brought me back in her call

back and it was over, uh, at, uh, second

 

479

00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,530

Line Stages or Second Line Studios.

 

480

00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:27,870

It was such a great show and it really.

 

481

00:20:28,205 --> 00:20:29,554

For, for a moment.

 

482

00:20:29,585 --> 00:20:30,965

'cause this is post-Katrina.

 

483

00:20:30,965 --> 00:20:34,385

It captured a lot of what

was going on very accurately.

 

484

00:20:34,504 --> 00:20:38,465

You know, as far as, uh, you know, the

impact of the storm and what it had on

 

485

00:20:38,465 --> 00:20:42,695

the city and the resonating effects,

which kind of today are still going on.

 

486

00:20:42,695 --> 00:20:46,564

But, uh, some of the, the people

created the wire, I think were

 

487

00:20:46,564 --> 00:20:47,675

involved in that, if I'm not mistaken.

 

488

00:20:47,675 --> 00:20:48,230

David

 

489

00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:48,784

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Simon?

 

490

00:20:49,534 --> 00:20:49,804

Yeah.

 

491

00:20:49,804 --> 00:20:51,455

Was the, was who.

 

492

00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:54,885

Yeah, those guys, the same

guys from The Wire were the

 

493

00:20:54,885 --> 00:20:57,014

ones who were behind, uh, tme

 

494

00:21:04,095 --> 00:21:04,935

Marc Preston: The Smoke Project.

 

495

00:21:04,935 --> 00:21:05,655

How did that come along?

 

496

00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:07,665

Is this this kind of one of

your situations where, you

 

497

00:21:07,665 --> 00:21:08,865

know, come in and audition?

 

498

00:21:08,865 --> 00:21:11,865

Or did you, did somebody reach out

to you and go, Hey, we got this thing

 

499

00:21:11,865 --> 00:21:13,485

happen and we want you to be a part of?

 

500

00:21:14,325 --> 00:21:20,565

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Uh, funny

enough, I teach at USC uh, a class where.

 

501

00:21:21,105 --> 00:21:25,755

We do like self-tape auditions and make

short films, and I try to talk them

 

502

00:21:25,755 --> 00:21:29,595

through the process of whenever I get

an audition and I, I got this audition

 

503

00:21:29,595 --> 00:21:36,315

for smoke, uh, and the character so

far removed from any experience I've

 

504

00:21:36,315 --> 00:21:39,135

ever had or anything I could even

imagine what life would be like.

 

505

00:21:39,705 --> 00:21:43,635

Um, uh, Dennis Lehane describes

the character as the, the

 

506

00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:45,015

loneliest man on the planet.

 

507

00:21:45,585 --> 00:21:45,765

Uh.

 

508

00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:49,830

So I went to my students.

 

509

00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:51,870

I said, look, there's

this, I got this audition.

 

510

00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,460

I'm not right for it.

 

511

00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,960

Uh, but I'm gonna do whatever.

 

512

00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,400

I can just do the best I can.

 

513

00:21:56,550 --> 00:22:02,130

Sometimes the goal is to do the

least embarrassing job you can do.

 

514

00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:07,890

So that was my, my goal was

just the least embarrassing.

 

515

00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:10,740

So I, I showed them the

self tape that I did.

 

516

00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,540

I was like, you know.

 

517

00:22:13,305 --> 00:22:13,935

I don't know.

 

518

00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:16,755

Then I got a callback, told

them about the callback.

 

519

00:22:16,755 --> 00:22:20,055

I was like, I have no idea

what they saw, but here's what

 

520

00:22:20,055 --> 00:22:21,345

I'm gonna do for the callback.

 

521

00:22:22,215 --> 00:22:27,225

Um, and I did the callback and I

think it was the fastest response

 

522

00:22:27,225 --> 00:22:28,935

I'd ever, I've ever gotten to.

 

523

00:22:28,935 --> 00:22:32,264

1. Like a job, like within the hour or so.

 

524

00:22:32,745 --> 00:22:33,195

Marc Preston: Really

 

525

00:22:33,524 --> 00:22:35,564

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: all like

saying, and it's for a series

 

526

00:22:35,564 --> 00:22:37,725

regular role, like a starring role.

 

527

00:22:37,725 --> 00:22:40,185

Usually that'd have to go,

gets cleared by the network.

 

528

00:22:40,185 --> 00:22:40,725

Marc Preston: Network.

 

529

00:22:40,725 --> 00:22:43,935

Yeah, I was about to say, those kind of

things usually are, so they just called

 

530

00:22:43,935 --> 00:22:45,104

you up, said, dude, you nailed it.

 

531

00:22:45,225 --> 00:22:47,054

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Well,

luckily Dennis Lehan got a little

 

532

00:22:47,054 --> 00:22:52,754

bit of clout, so he's a Yeah, full.

 

533

00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:56,970

Blanc to do whatever he, not

do whatever he wants, but he

 

534

00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:58,379

can clearly make the call.

 

535

00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,370

So, um, yeah, it was just through an

audition that I didn't think I had a shot

 

536

00:23:02,370 --> 00:23:05,250

at getting and somehow landed the role.

 

537

00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:09,240

Marc Preston: But where do you fit

in terms of the storyline without

 

538

00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,501

giving anything away, if you would?

 

539

00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:11,280

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

540

00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:15,660

Uh, um, yeah.

 

541

00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:19,740

Uh, Dennis Lehe told me because I was

like baffled, I was like, I don't know.

 

542

00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:21,480

I don't have a window into this character.

 

543

00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:21,780

I don't.

 

544

00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:25,455

I don't, I don't, I can't even imagine

what this guy went through 'cause he is

 

545

00:23:25,455 --> 00:23:28,815

gone through hell and back basically.

 

546

00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:33,855

Um, and he just told me that he's

the loneliest man on the planet.

 

547

00:23:34,575 --> 00:23:35,955

There's a huge void there.

 

548

00:23:36,555 --> 00:23:44,055

And we discover to very nefarious ways he

goes and steps he takes to fill that void.

 

549

00:23:44,445 --> 00:23:44,685

Yeah.

 

550

00:23:44,685 --> 00:23:48,885

The story is ultimately about love loss.

 

551

00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:50,550

And revenge.

 

552

00:23:50,790 --> 00:23:52,455

So we get to see my character sort of.

 

553

00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,270

Go through that arc.

 

554

00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:56,190

Marc Preston: Where, where did

y'all shoot this, by the way?

 

555

00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:57,720

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

We shot it in Vancouver.

 

556

00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,120

Marc Preston: Seems like a lot of folks

I speak to these days are all like,

 

557

00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,070

yeah, Vancouver v Vancouver comes up.

 

558

00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:06,000

Apparently there's a hotel where

everybody seems to stay at in Vancouver,

 

559

00:24:06,150 --> 00:24:08,790

uh, of all the different productions

going on, from what I understand.

 

560

00:24:08,845 --> 00:24:10,080

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah, yeah.

 

561

00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:12,330

Um, yeah, we shot it in Vancouver.

 

562

00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:14,670

Uh, it's incredibly gorgeous up there.

 

563

00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:20,190

We shot through springtime, um, uh,

March through July, I think it was.

 

564

00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:21,120

Um.

 

565

00:24:21,945 --> 00:24:24,405

So it was just stunning.

 

566

00:24:25,125 --> 00:24:25,304

Yeah.

 

567

00:24:25,304 --> 00:24:26,804

To be up there during that time of year.

 

568

00:24:27,044 --> 00:24:29,115

Marc Preston: I've never been to

Vancouver, but everybody I speak

 

569

00:24:29,115 --> 00:24:32,565

with these days seems to have done

a swing through Vancouver, you know?

 

570

00:24:32,595 --> 00:24:32,685

Mm-hmm.

 

571

00:24:33,135 --> 00:24:34,845

Um, you've done this for a while.

 

572

00:24:35,115 --> 00:24:35,325

Uh.

 

573

00:24:36,855 --> 00:24:37,695

Are you point a bank

 

574

00:24:37,695 --> 00:24:38,175

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: card?

 

575

00:24:38,565 --> 00:24:42,495

97 I think it was, or you've been 95.

 

576

00:24:42,495 --> 00:24:44,385

Sorry, I think it was 95.

 

577

00:24:44,385 --> 00:24:45,645

I can tell you the exact date.

 

578

00:24:45,645 --> 00:24:49,514

January 27th, 1995.

 

579

00:24:49,995 --> 00:24:50,385

Marc Preston: Crazy.

 

580

00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:51,465

I still remember.

 

581

00:24:51,855 --> 00:24:55,245

Uh, my, my first was actually

for doing voiceovers to a GTE

 

582

00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:56,745

commercial with Patrick Stewart.

 

583

00:24:57,075 --> 00:24:59,385

You know, it was, was, but

hey, however you get it, you

 

584

00:24:59,385 --> 00:25:00,405

get it, you know, so, yeah.

 

585

00:25:00,825 --> 00:25:03,885

But no, it's, but you've been doing it

long enough to where now you, you kind of

 

586

00:25:03,885 --> 00:25:07,784

have a sense of like what you wanna do,

what would, what you haven't done that you

 

587

00:25:07,784 --> 00:25:12,585

wanna do, or it's something you have done,

you wanna, you know, be a film, uh, or tv

 

588

00:25:12,585 --> 00:25:15,615

or a series, or a directing or anything.

 

589

00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:18,345

Is there anything on the radar you're

like, God, I have not done this.

 

590

00:25:18,524 --> 00:25:20,385

I want to do this, or I wanna do it again.

 

591

00:25:20,985 --> 00:25:24,735

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I gotta confess

the, some of the biggest jobs I've got,

 

592

00:25:24,915 --> 00:25:31,665

you know, just like smoke or even on the

shy, were things were not on my radar,

 

593

00:25:31,845 --> 00:25:36,675

were not something I thought was in

even my wheelhouse that I didn't think

 

594

00:25:36,675 --> 00:25:40,335

I could, I had the skillset to do so.

 

595

00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:46,140

Uh, funny enough, the things that I

think I'm, I'm right for, I haven't

 

596

00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:50,220

got, but the things I'm, I'm like

not even close remotely close to the

 

597

00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:54,930

character for somehow they end up,

you know, landing at my doorstep.

 

598

00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:58,800

So I am open to being

pleasantly surprised.

 

599

00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:58,890

I see.

 

600

00:25:59,175 --> 00:26:04,665

Because my own personal expectations of

not, um, I'm still not sure how, what they

 

601

00:26:04,665 --> 00:26:08,685

saw in some of the, I'm still baffled,

like some of the things I've landed.

 

602

00:26:09,225 --> 00:26:10,455

Marc Preston: Isn't that a weird paradigm?

 

603

00:26:10,455 --> 00:26:13,155

I mean, I, I know I've done stuff

where I'm like, oh, you kinda walk

 

604

00:26:13,155 --> 00:26:14,355

it going, well, that was an audition.

 

605

00:26:14,355 --> 00:26:15,885

I mean, you know, don't

think anything of it.

 

606

00:26:16,335 --> 00:26:17,205

And then you book it.

 

607

00:26:17,205 --> 00:26:19,545

And then other ones you're

like, I nailed this thing.

 

608

00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:19,995

Oh, there's.

 

609

00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:22,430

I, I was in the zone and you don't get it.

 

610

00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:25,670

So it's just kind of this weird, you

know, what's that phrase, man plans,

 

611

00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:27,320

God laughs kind of a thing, you know?

 

612

00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,030

It's like you just gotta

go in and do the thing.

 

613

00:26:29,030 --> 00:26:30,170

And you get it, you get it.

 

614

00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:32,810

But you know, you've had a

great constellation of stuff.

 

615

00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,850

The shy, that's one thing I've not seen.

 

616

00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:35,930

It's on my list.

 

617

00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:36,800

So is Dexter.

 

618

00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,230

There are a few shows

that are on the list.

 

619

00:26:39,495 --> 00:26:41,895

You know, and you know, there's

so much stuff out there these days

 

620

00:26:41,895 --> 00:26:44,189

that I haven't had a chance to, it's

possible to keep up with everything.

 

621

00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:44,790

Yeah.

 

622

00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:44,990

Yeah.

 

623

00:26:45,014 --> 00:26:45,705

It's impossible.

 

624

00:26:45,705 --> 00:26:49,274

I mean, there's so much, there's a,

there's so much great stuff, uh, that,

 

625

00:26:49,365 --> 00:26:52,875

you know, I'm almost embarrassed to say

some things I haven't seen, but the,

 

626

00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:56,670

uh, but Dexter, the, the, the reboot,

I mean, I. No, it's not a reboot.

 

627

00:26:56,670 --> 00:26:58,590

It's, it's, this is the

one where the we're, yeah.

 

628

00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:58,920

It's a

 

629

00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,760

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: franchise now.

 

630

00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,430

Various iterations of the show.

 

631

00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:04,285

So it's, it's, it's, uh, yeah.

 

632

00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:05,070

Not a reboot.

 

633

00:27:05,075 --> 00:27:06,600

It's like, it's a literally franchise.

 

634

00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,880

It's like Star Trek has

different iterations.

 

635

00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:10,170

Marc Preston: Yeah, true, true, true.

 

636

00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:10,560

Yeah.

 

637

00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:12,510

I lost track after a while.

 

638

00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:15,720

You know, I was like, you know, my son

is big into the, uh, Marvel universe.

 

639

00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,220

I'm like, I, he tries to explain it to me.

 

640

00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:18,300

I'm like, I, my head hurts.

 

641

00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,750

I'm like, okay, can we, 'cause this is

the older guy and me going, can we just.

 

642

00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,140

Get a list in order of which of how

I'm supposed to watch everything.

 

643

00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:25,560

You know?

 

644

00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:28,740

By the way, what do your kids think,

you know, or have they, you know, seen

 

645

00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:32,880

you on TV or in film or something, you

know, do they have any kind of feedback?

 

646

00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,180

Do they see you as an actor, do

they, or does it, is it kind of weird

 

647

00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,830

for them to see you on, on screen?

 

648

00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,240

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I just came from

seeing my daughter do a school play today.

 

649

00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,460

Uh, a play that the, her and her

classmates, along with her teacher

 

650

00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:49,980

wrote, they did the original story, uh.

 

651

00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,560

To their costumes and, uh,

staged these things over several

 

652

00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,379

weeks and I was blown away.

 

653

00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:00,930

Uh, yeah, it was just incredible.

 

654

00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:04,860

Um, so my daughter has definitely

got the, sort of the bug.

 

655

00:28:05,129 --> 00:28:09,600

She likes to help me study my lines,

uh, like read through the script.

 

656

00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:09,930

Marc Preston: Okay.

 

657

00:28:11,075 --> 00:28:12,155

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

And she even sometimes.

 

658

00:28:12,155 --> 00:28:12,425

So you

 

659

00:28:12,425 --> 00:28:13,505

Marc Preston: have a young reader?

 

660

00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:13,750

Yeah.

 

661

00:28:14,165 --> 00:28:14,525

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

662

00:28:14,675 --> 00:28:16,505

She likes to do rewrites too.

 

663

00:28:16,505 --> 00:28:18,395

She'll write her own

version of the scripts.

 

664

00:28:19,145 --> 00:28:21,045

Uh, and my son Now is this, is

 

665

00:28:21,045 --> 00:28:22,715

Marc Preston: this a 6-year-old or The

 

666

00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:23,310

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: 8-year-old?

 

667

00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:24,071

Marc Preston: 8-year-old.

 

668

00:28:24,305 --> 00:28:24,665

Okay.

 

669

00:28:25,145 --> 00:28:27,815

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: But my

6-year-old is, is like a superstar.

 

670

00:28:27,815 --> 00:28:31,385

He just, he's the kind of person that

my, my daughter is more reserved,

 

671

00:28:31,955 --> 00:28:37,475

uh uh and you know, a bit more shy,

but my son is the extrovert and.

 

672

00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,310

Walks into the room and, and

all the focus goes to him.

 

673

00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:43,020

He's just like a superstar.

 

674

00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,730

So he, he has his own.

 

675

00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:44,850

So

 

676

00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:46,890

Marc Preston: which one were you

more like when you were young?

 

677

00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:49,667

Were you more gregarious or were you more

kind of in your, in, in your own head?

 

678

00:28:49,667 --> 00:28:49,668

No,

 

679

00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:49,980

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: no.

 

680

00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,910

I was the quiet, I was the quiet

kid on the fly, on the wall.

 

681

00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:56,340

I like preferred to be

a behind the camera.

 

682

00:28:56,635 --> 00:29:01,045

Uh, documenting all of our family

occasions and yeah, sort of disappearing.

 

683

00:29:01,585 --> 00:29:02,935

Marc Preston: Do you have

any brothers or sisters?

 

684

00:29:03,205 --> 00:29:03,715

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I do.

 

685

00:29:03,715 --> 00:29:05,065

I'm the eldest of four.

 

686

00:29:05,155 --> 00:29:08,395

Marc Preston: Do they live in,

uh, in New York or in New England?

 

687

00:29:08,425 --> 00:29:12,745

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: They're

all over, uh, in South Carolina,

 

688

00:29:12,745 --> 00:29:15,865

in la in, uh, Maryland.

 

689

00:29:16,305 --> 00:29:19,275

So yeah, we're, we're all over the place.

 

690

00:29:19,365 --> 00:29:21,255

Marc Preston: But you're the

only actor in the family, right?

 

691

00:29:22,395 --> 00:29:22,515

Yes.

 

692

00:29:22,515 --> 00:29:25,935

Usually it's just one odd kid out, you

know, that decided to do this thing.

 

693

00:29:26,025 --> 00:29:26,295

You know?

 

694

00:29:26,835 --> 00:29:30,405

I'm curious though, like for your kids,

do they, have you had a chance to take

 

695

00:29:30,405 --> 00:29:34,365

them back to Uganda to show them, to

kind of like let, or are you waiting

 

696

00:29:34,365 --> 00:29:37,095

till they're just a little bit older

to appreciate it a little bit more?

 

697

00:29:37,305 --> 00:29:39,585

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: No, my

daughter's been three times.

 

698

00:29:39,975 --> 00:29:41,010

My son's been twice.

 

699

00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,365

Both the kids were baptized in Uganda.

 

700

00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,050

So we have a strong connection at home.

 

701

00:29:47,379 --> 00:29:49,449

Marc Preston: Do you still have a

big extended family out that way?

 

702

00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:50,199

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yes.

 

703

00:29:50,199 --> 00:29:53,500

Very big extended family that,

that welcomes us with open

 

704

00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:54,760

arms every time we come back.

 

705

00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,439

Uh, so it's been really great to

have, um, my kids forming their

 

706

00:29:59,439 --> 00:30:05,980

bond with their cousins over there

and connecting with, uh, food.

 

707

00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:11,050

Like there's nothing like fruit

and vegetables in Uganda when you

 

708

00:30:11,050 --> 00:30:12,790

go there and you taste a mango.

 

709

00:30:13,665 --> 00:30:17,565

Or even, you know, and you come back

to the states, you're just like, it

 

710

00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:19,545

tastes like paper here compared to like

 

711

00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:19,870

Marc Preston: Yeah.

 

712

00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:20,055

Yeah.

 

713

00:30:20,055 --> 00:30:25,755

I know a lot of our produce is more

bread, uh, to be more durable, if

 

714

00:30:25,755 --> 00:30:28,605

you will, for lack of a better way of

putting it when it gets into the grocery

 

715

00:30:28,605 --> 00:30:31,305

and uh, make it bullet, I think the

phrase bulletproof or something like

 

716

00:30:31,305 --> 00:30:32,745

this thing about tomatoes or whatever.

 

717

00:30:32,805 --> 00:30:37,035

And that's funny 'cause I grew some of

my own tomatoes once, uh, a couple times.

 

718

00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:38,325

One very unsuccessfully.

 

719

00:30:38,325 --> 00:30:38,535

One.

 

720

00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:39,645

I got some, I'm like, wait a minute.

 

721

00:30:39,675 --> 00:30:42,225

This is a little bit different than

what I'm getting at the grocery.

 

722

00:30:42,225 --> 00:30:43,185

You know, it's like, wait a minute.

 

723

00:30:43,185 --> 00:30:43,395

You know?

 

724

00:30:43,395 --> 00:30:45,825

So there, there's this whole

other world out there, you know?

 

725

00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:49,605

Do you do any kind of cooking or

anything that, that like where

 

726

00:30:49,605 --> 00:30:52,815

you kind of keep that part of your

culture alive around the house?

 

727

00:30:53,625 --> 00:30:56,685

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I am

very poor on the cooking front.

 

728

00:30:57,254 --> 00:30:59,715

Uh, my wife's got all

the, the skillset on that.

 

729

00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:02,325

My daughter now is starting

to like, make her own omelets

 

730

00:31:02,415 --> 00:31:04,004

and I can make french toast.

 

731

00:31:04,175 --> 00:31:04,264

Well,

 

732

00:31:04,955 --> 00:31:06,575

Marc Preston: that's all that

makes any difference in the world.

 

733

00:31:06,575 --> 00:31:07,385

It's a good Sunday morning.

 

734

00:31:07,385 --> 00:31:08,315

A stack of french toast.

 

735

00:31:08,315 --> 00:31:09,695

Kid's gonna be plenty happy, you know?

 

736

00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:12,335

But what, where's your, uh,

wife's family from, by the way?

 

737

00:31:12,335 --> 00:31:15,754

Is she a, does she have any

connection to Uganda by any chance?

 

738

00:31:15,754 --> 00:31:18,034

Or is she a straight up American kid?

 

739

00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:20,310

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Bed-Stuy do or die.

 

740

00:31:21,179 --> 00:31:21,360

Okay.

 

741

00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:24,060

Marc Preston: Need say

no more there, you know?

 

742

00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:26,250

But so what, what do

you have coming up next?

 

743

00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:30,120

What's the, what's the next thing you're

working on that you can tell us about?

 

744

00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:30,425

You know?

 

745

00:31:30,425 --> 00:31:30,625

Yeah.

 

746

00:31:30,625 --> 00:31:31,320

What you got coming up.

 

747

00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:31,350

Uh,

 

748

00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:37,379

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I feel like I

have this perfect trifecta of things

 

749

00:31:37,379 --> 00:31:41,429

that have been like the biggest things

I've ever worked on, about to like.

 

750

00:31:42,629 --> 00:31:43,199

Come out.

 

751

00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:47,189

One is this documentary Memories

of Love Returned, which I, I've

 

752

00:31:47,189 --> 00:31:49,139

spent the past 22 years working on.

 

753

00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:54,149

Uh, I was fortunate to have really Stephen

Soderberg come on as executive producer.

 

754

00:31:54,689 --> 00:32:00,929

It's been garnishing awards at

festivals on multiple continents.

 

755

00:32:01,439 --> 00:32:05,550

Uh, just screened in New York, uh,

screening in Washington, DC this weekend.

 

756

00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,419

Um, that, and then my.

 

757

00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:13,150

Uh, smoke is premiering,

uh, the Apple TV series.

 

758

00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:18,400

I'm starring on premieres at Tribeca,

and then Dexter Resurrection is

 

759

00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,580

premiering on, uh, July 11th.

 

760

00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,520

So all three things will be

on screen at the same time.

 

761

00:32:27,945 --> 00:32:29,085

Uh, over the coming months.

 

762

00:32:29,085 --> 00:32:30,435

So I, so what you're trying to say is

 

763

00:32:30,435 --> 00:32:31,455

Marc Preston: you're not busy at all.

 

764

00:32:31,455 --> 00:32:33,525

You're just kind of sitting

around the house and, uh,

 

765

00:32:35,145 --> 00:32:36,315

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I

couldn't be more grateful.

 

766

00:32:36,315 --> 00:32:42,765

I mean, you know, this, we've gone through

a huge, huge, uh, um, structural change

 

767

00:32:42,765 --> 00:32:44,535

in the business after the double strikes.

 

768

00:32:44,895 --> 00:32:48,315

I have plenty of friends who haven't

worked since before the strikes,

 

769

00:32:48,915 --> 00:32:51,345

so I'm counting my blessings to.

 

770

00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:56,040

Be busy at this point because

it's, it's, it's, it's really

 

771

00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,060

tough out there right now.

 

772

00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:59,490

Marc Preston: So now, when

does the documentary come out?

 

773

00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,260

Memories of Love Returned, right.

 

774

00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:01,875

That's the name of it.

 

775

00:33:02,715 --> 00:33:04,425

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah, it's

been hitting, it's been on the festival

 

776

00:33:04,425 --> 00:33:06,345

circuit since October of last year.

 

777

00:33:06,765 --> 00:33:15,285

Uh, it's screened in, uh, from LA to

New York to Washington DC I was just

 

778

00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:17,025

up in the Berkshires last weekend.

 

779

00:33:17,445 --> 00:33:22,545

Uh, it was in London and Lagos,

Nigeria and Burkina Faso.

 

780

00:33:22,545 --> 00:33:27,375

So it's, it's been doing quite the

run and, um, yeah, hopefully it'll.

 

781

00:33:27,705 --> 00:33:30,405

Get some distribution so it

can be seen by a wider audience

 

782

00:33:30,705 --> 00:33:32,085

beyond the festival circuit.

 

783

00:33:32,175 --> 00:33:33,705

Marc Preston: It's a Ugandan story, right?

 

784

00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:36,675

Uh, uh, the, um, it was about

a photographer, I think.

 

785

00:33:36,675 --> 00:33:40,274

I mean, pardon my, I I'm try to

bring back, uh, what I read about

 

786

00:33:40,274 --> 00:33:43,875

it, but it was, it's, it's about a

photographer's work or a studio or

 

787

00:33:43,875 --> 00:33:46,635

something like that, that you explored.

 

788

00:33:46,635 --> 00:33:47,565

Is that kind of what it's about?

 

789

00:33:47,955 --> 00:33:49,695

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: It's

about Ugandan photographer

 

790

00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:55,815

whose work spanned from the 1950s.

 

791

00:33:56,879 --> 00:33:59,850

Up till 2006 or five decades of work.

 

792

00:34:00,389 --> 00:34:02,580

And he was a bit of a

rock star in his region.

 

793

00:34:02,969 --> 00:34:06,120

Uh, 'cause he was the only

photographer, uh, for his district.

 

794

00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:10,859

So thousands of people would come to his

studio to photograph, be photographed.

 

795

00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,500

He would also travel to weddings.

 

796

00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:14,609

He had a motorcycle.

 

797

00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:15,000

He was

 

798

00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,029

Marc Preston: Oh, so, so this is a

photographer, like of events and whatnot.

 

799

00:34:18,029 --> 00:34:20,609

He's not necessarily like

an Ansel Adams out doing.

 

800

00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:22,440

Pastoral pictures and whatnot.

 

801

00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:26,190

This, this is actually somebody

that recorded events and whatnot.

 

802

00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:29,490

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: He would say

the Ansel Adams of portrait photography.

 

803

00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,121

Okay.

 

804

00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,900

Because he captured people in

incredibly beautiful landscapes.

 

805

00:34:34,409 --> 00:34:37,530

Uh, there's a beautiful wedding

photograph of this couple.

 

806

00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,010

They're standing on a, a grass

thatch mat, and in the background

 

807

00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:44,010

is just miles of horizon.

 

808

00:34:44,325 --> 00:34:46,935

Of this, you know, almost like an

Ansel Adam photograph where you

 

809

00:34:46,935 --> 00:34:49,875

see this mountain range way in the

background and these rolling hills.

 

810

00:34:50,295 --> 00:34:52,245

So he captured not just incredible.

 

811

00:34:52,785 --> 00:34:57,585

Photos of people celebrating moments of

love, but also captured them in their

 

812

00:34:57,825 --> 00:35:01,995

natural environments, uh, in addition

to shooting them in their studio.

 

813

00:35:02,595 --> 00:35:06,435

Uh, and I had mounted a large scale

outdoor exhibit of his work in the first

 

814

00:35:06,435 --> 00:35:12,195

exhibit of its kind in his village,

um, which displayed over 5,000 images.

 

815

00:35:12,795 --> 00:35:15,990

Uh, and you can imagine

how all of us carry our.

 

816

00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:21,630

Thousands of photos on our phones

and imagine if we've all lost

 

817

00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:23,370

our pho photos somehow or not.

 

818

00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:23,460

Mm-hmm.

 

819

00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:28,140

But imagine if five decades worth of

phone photos were lost from a whole

 

820

00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:29,910

village, like from a whole town.

 

821

00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:35,009

And if those pictures somehow resurfaced,

so that's what, is that what happened?

 

822

00:35:35,009 --> 00:35:35,220

I mean,

 

823

00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:37,620

Marc Preston: they, like all of

his, the body of his work was.

 

824

00:35:37,965 --> 00:35:40,335

Just nobody knew where it was,

had it just kind of resurfaced.

 

825

00:35:40,335 --> 00:35:40,695

Is that

 

826

00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,395

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: He was, he was

a, like a portrait photographer in the

 

827

00:35:43,395 --> 00:35:48,134

sense that he would make his photos

and give the prints to his subjects.

 

828

00:35:48,255 --> 00:35:50,835

He didn't have a public

display of all of his work.

 

829

00:35:50,835 --> 00:35:51,555

He didn't have a book.

 

830

00:35:51,555 --> 00:35:52,485

He wasn't published.

 

831

00:35:53,265 --> 00:35:53,384

Oh, okay.

 

832

00:35:53,384 --> 00:35:57,675

So this was the first time the community

was getting to see this vast body of

 

833

00:35:57,675 --> 00:36:03,525

work, thousands upon thousands of images

and discovering long lost family members,

 

834

00:36:04,065 --> 00:36:07,455

seeing people who'd passed, uh, seeing.

 

835

00:36:07,964 --> 00:36:11,805

Uh, there was a young man, Johnson

Macon, whose father and mother had passed

 

836

00:36:11,805 --> 00:36:14,895

away at a young age who had never seen

a photograph of his parents before.

 

837

00:36:15,884 --> 00:36:16,245

Uh,

 

838

00:36:16,335 --> 00:36:17,745

Marc Preston: and discovered

that at the exhibit.

 

839

00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:21,525

Was his impression of himself, was

he just, okay, I'm a por portrait

 

840

00:36:21,525 --> 00:36:22,755

photographer, that's what I do.

 

841

00:36:22,755 --> 00:36:25,845

But it seems like the story

you're telling is he's like,

 

842

00:36:25,845 --> 00:36:27,285

again, he's kind of an archivist.

 

843

00:36:27,285 --> 00:36:32,180

He is kind of a storyteller for a visual

storyteller for, you know, uh, yeah.

 

844

00:36:32,295 --> 00:36:32,325

I

 

845

00:36:32,325 --> 00:36:34,395

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

wouldn't say it was inadvertent.

 

846

00:36:34,665 --> 00:36:35,085

Uh, I don't know.

 

847

00:36:35,085 --> 00:36:36,615

That would be a good way to describe him.

 

848

00:36:36,675 --> 00:36:37,965

'cause he was an artist.

 

849

00:36:38,055 --> 00:36:38,460

Uh mm-hmm.

 

850

00:36:38,595 --> 00:36:41,805

He was intentional in his

work and he loved what he did.

 

851

00:36:42,315 --> 00:36:45,195

Uh, and he managed to do it for 50 years.

 

852

00:36:46,035 --> 00:36:48,735

Uh, and collected and kept

his work and preserved it.

 

853

00:36:48,885 --> 00:36:53,205

Uh, unfortunately he passed away before

I was able to share his work further.

 

854

00:36:53,505 --> 00:36:57,945

Um, but I, this documentary is

my way of keeping my promise

 

855

00:36:57,945 --> 00:36:59,235

to getting his work out there.

 

856

00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:08,565

Marc Preston: Before we get running, I

always got what I call my seven questions.

 

857

00:37:08,565 --> 00:37:10,065

I like to kind of throw on the back end.

 

858

00:37:10,065 --> 00:37:12,135

Uh, we, we always talk again.

 

859

00:37:12,135 --> 00:37:13,695

We've talked food a

little bit earlier, but.

 

860

00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:19,650

The first question I got for you is,

what is your favorite, your comfort food?

 

861

00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:21,900

Something that just good day or bad day.

 

862

00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,870

It just, it just is what

you, it makes you feel good.

 

863

00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:30,630

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Uh, you

mentioned it earlier, uh, Ethiopian food.

 

864

00:37:31,259 --> 00:37:31,529

Yeah.

 

865

00:37:31,529 --> 00:37:35,910

One of my favorite things to do is

wherever I am in the world, is to find

 

866

00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:39,720

the local Ethiopian restaurant, try

it out, and then rate it and see, you

 

867

00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,210

know, where it falls within the, uh.

 

868

00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:46,169

All the Ethiopian cuisines

I've tried all over the world.

 

869

00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:50,730

Uh, I can't must say that the, the

best has been, of course, in Ethiopia.

 

870

00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:51,899

Yeah.

 

871

00:37:52,169 --> 00:37:56,399

Um, but there's been some, you know,

there's a great place in Brooklyn, I

 

872

00:37:56,399 --> 00:38:00,779

think Ross, uh, vegan Ethiopian spot.

 

873

00:38:00,839 --> 00:38:03,990

Um, that's like our Sunday tradition.

 

874

00:38:04,319 --> 00:38:08,459

Me and the family go to our favorite

Ethiopian restaurant, awash in.

 

875

00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,009

Break bread together.

 

876

00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:11,370

Marc Preston: Yeah.

 

877

00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:15,480

I was a big fan of, uh, Anthony Bourdain

is, it seems like the peanuts are a lot.

 

878

00:38:15,944 --> 00:38:18,285

Or used a lot more in cooking there,

which I think is kind of cool,

 

879

00:38:18,285 --> 00:38:21,464

you know, but the breads as well,

like the way you, I don't know.

 

880

00:38:21,464 --> 00:38:23,654

See, you can tell 'em I haven't

had lunch yet 'cause I'm getting

 

881

00:38:23,654 --> 00:38:23,955

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: hungry.

 

882

00:38:23,955 --> 00:38:24,015

Yeah.

 

883

00:38:24,015 --> 00:38:26,475

I don't think they have a, I don't think

there's, I don't think there's a peanut

 

884

00:38:26,475 --> 00:38:28,154

dish in Ethiopian food that I'm aware of.

 

885

00:38:28,365 --> 00:38:32,115

Um, but they use a lot of, you

know, beans and legumes and.

 

886

00:38:32,145 --> 00:38:34,634

Yeah, that are my favorites.

 

887

00:38:35,145 --> 00:38:37,065

Marc Preston: Well, I do have to

say my only Ethiopian experience

 

888

00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:39,705

was when I was at Texas Tech

University in Lubbock, Texas.

 

889

00:38:39,705 --> 00:38:42,825

So I don't know if that would be a

hotbed of Ethiopian food necessarily.

 

890

00:38:42,915 --> 00:38:44,830

So I just remember there

was, I'll let you know

 

891

00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:47,775

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: when I go to, when

I go to Austin in a couple weeks, what?

 

892

00:38:47,775 --> 00:38:49,605

But I know I've been to Austin before.

 

893

00:38:50,279 --> 00:38:53,130

And I found an Ethiopian restaurant

there that I really loved.

 

894

00:38:53,279 --> 00:38:54,424

I can't remember the name of it, but,

 

895

00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:57,029

Marc Preston: oh, it

Austin's a great eating town.

 

896

00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:57,509

Yeah, Austin.

 

897

00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:58,650

It's just a neat place.

 

898

00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:00,630

I really love Austin, you're

gonna have a great time.

 

899

00:39:00,765 --> 00:39:03,540

The, the next question I got for you,

if you're gonna sit down at a table for

 

900

00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:06,900

a few hours, you're gonna talk story

with, uh, three people, you, and so

 

901

00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:10,770

four of y'all at the table, living or

not, who would you like to be sitting at

 

902

00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:12,750

that table with you, uh, talking story?

 

903

00:39:13,830 --> 00:39:16,859

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Um,

that's a great question.

 

904

00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:16,920

Uh.

 

905

00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:24,600

I have to say, you know, one of the

biggest influences on me was, uh, Gandhi,

 

906

00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:31,830

um, and his book, uh, my experiments,

his autobiography, my experiments with

 

907

00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:34,470

the truth really transformed my life.

 

908

00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,300

So if I was, I could say

that he would be one.

 

909

00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:42,030

But you know, these people, when you

think about going back in time to try

 

910

00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:44,970

to talk to people, for me that's always.

 

911

00:39:45,885 --> 00:39:49,875

Like, how would you explain to them,

like how things have transformed,

 

912

00:39:50,265 --> 00:39:53,445

you'd be trying to explain to

them like, like how life has

 

913

00:39:53,445 --> 00:39:54,795

changed so much that I don't know.

 

914

00:39:54,795 --> 00:39:58,815

That you could have, you'd have to

almost go back in time to, to like do

 

915

00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:02,265

a clean slate so you could, so yeah.

 

916

00:40:02,265 --> 00:40:04,515

I, I don't even know if I want,

well, you know, I think some of those

 

917

00:40:04,515 --> 00:40:08,445

Marc Preston: people probably under, if

the ones that understood human nature

 

918

00:40:08,475 --> 00:40:12,615

very well and the way things can change,

probably not saying, could predict, but

 

919

00:40:12,615 --> 00:40:14,055

could go Yeah, I could see that coming.

 

920

00:40:14,335 --> 00:40:17,485

You know, I can see you electing

that guy or doing this thing, or

 

921

00:40:17,485 --> 00:40:21,145

you know, Gandhi or a lot of those

folks understood the human condition,

 

922

00:40:21,205 --> 00:40:22,495

the, the good, the bad, the ugly.

 

923

00:40:22,495 --> 00:40:24,805

You know, so maybe they, but yeah,

it'd be kind of hard to explain.

 

924

00:40:24,805 --> 00:40:27,685

It's like, yeah, we got this, this phone

thing here low, which is, you know,

 

925

00:40:27,895 --> 00:40:30,775

got all the information at fingertips,

yet we're somehow less educated.

 

926

00:40:30,865 --> 00:40:31,915

Dunno how that's possible.

 

927

00:40:31,945 --> 00:40:35,485

So Gandhi would be a wonderful one, but

who else would you like to sit down with,

 

928

00:40:35,575 --> 00:40:39,385

uh, uh, that you think, not just with

you, but you know, it's kind of watching

 

929

00:40:39,385 --> 00:40:41,005

their conversation together as well.

 

930

00:40:41,355 --> 00:40:45,075

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah, somebody

I'm still in awe of is Paul Robeson.

 

931

00:40:45,645 --> 00:40:49,995

Uh, like how he managed to do what

he did in the time that he did.

 

932

00:40:50,505 --> 00:40:53,655

Uh, uh, yeah.

 

933

00:40:53,775 --> 00:40:59,265

Um, the Creative Mind of Duke

Ellington, like, uh, I love

 

934

00:40:59,265 --> 00:41:00,675

his, not his autobiography.

 

935

00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,935

Music is my mistress.

 

936

00:41:02,595 --> 00:41:08,925

Um, I'm trying to think of people

beyond artists, but artists are the

 

937

00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:10,635

ones coming to mind at the first.

 

938

00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:10,770

Hmm.

 

939

00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:12,270

In the forefront.

 

940

00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:19,109

Um, I had a chance to meet Anthony

Bourdain when we were working on reme.

 

941

00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:20,040

Marc Preston: Oh yeah.

 

942

00:41:20,105 --> 00:41:20,910

He, oh yeah.

 

943

00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:24,569

He wrote, oh, that he wrote the,

uh, yeah, he wrote the things

 

944

00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:25,379

happened in the restaurant.

 

945

00:41:25,379 --> 00:41:27,569

He was actually writing though

that part of the screenplay?

 

946

00:41:27,629 --> 00:41:27,899

Correct.

 

947

00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,379

Okay.

 

948

00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:28,799

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Yeah.

 

949

00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:32,460

So he got to meet and he, you

know, if we're talking about

 

950

00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:36,930

people who have passed, uh,

and he sort of set the bar for.

 

951

00:41:37,485 --> 00:41:41,265

Those road shows, uh,

traveling around the world?

 

952

00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:42,165

Well, I thought

 

953

00:41:42,345 --> 00:41:45,105

Marc Preston: to my mind, he was

his own kind of poet, you know, and,

 

954

00:41:45,105 --> 00:41:49,005

and there's a, there's a meme that's

floating around that, that says he tried

 

955

00:41:49,005 --> 00:41:52,815

with all of his might to prove kinda

like we're more alike than different,

 

956

00:41:52,815 --> 00:41:54,255

and to not be afraid of one another.

 

957

00:41:54,285 --> 00:41:56,295

You know, that kind of a

thing, you know, culturally.

 

958

00:41:56,355 --> 00:41:57,915

And, uh, I think he, you know.

 

959

00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,180

I just, I just think he, he's one fellow.

 

960

00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:01,650

I always wish I had an

opportunity to speak.

 

961

00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:04,980

I've, I had a chance to speak with a lot

of folks either worked with him and, or,

 

962

00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:09,150

you know, like, uh, we're also, you know,

chefs who were known on TV and whatnot.

 

963

00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:12,900

But, but of course writing

was where he kind of broke out

 

964

00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,819

from just working in a kitchen.

 

965

00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:15,210

Yeah.

 

966

00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:17,549

But it kind of came full circle

and brought it back, you know.

 

967

00:42:17,549 --> 00:42:21,060

So did he have any input or

feedback with you as far as, you

 

968

00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,580

know, watching the performance

and go, okay, this is kind of how.

 

969

00:42:24,285 --> 00:42:27,075

You conduct yourself in the kitchen,

you know, 'cause you know it's

 

970

00:42:27,075 --> 00:42:30,435

its own culture, you know, those

kitchens can be their own world.

 

971

00:42:30,435 --> 00:42:33,400

Did he have any advice for you

whenever you were Yeah, his,

 

972

00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:37,815

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: his book, his

book on, you know, kitchen Confidential

 

973

00:42:38,115 --> 00:42:39,645

or Kitchen Confidential was my Bible.

 

974

00:42:39,645 --> 00:42:41,535

During that time, I would just.

 

975

00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:46,350

Pouring through that and the, the secrecy

revealed in the book and also on set.

 

976

00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:48,210

Were just illuminating.

 

977

00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,740

Uh, yeah.

 

978

00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,050

Marc Preston: Now, if we were to go

back when you were a young man and

 

979

00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:55,440

you had your very first celebrity

crush, somebody saw as like, oh my

 

980

00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,110

God, I got just hard to believe.

 

981

00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:59,250

They're, they exist in the world.

 

982

00:42:59,250 --> 00:43:00,510

I want to know them.

 

983

00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:02,880

You know, who was your

first celebrity crush?

 

984

00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:04,680

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Wow.

 

985

00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:05,610

Um.

 

986

00:43:07,365 --> 00:43:10,515

I had have to say probably Janet Jackson.

 

987

00:43:11,475 --> 00:43:16,484

Uh, yeah, I think that was

probably one of the first,

 

988

00:43:17,174 --> 00:43:17,415

Marc Preston: yeah.

 

989

00:43:17,415 --> 00:43:20,745

Uh, one of the first concerts I ever

saw with Think was her Black Cat tour.

 

990

00:43:20,865 --> 00:43:22,455

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: I've

never seen her in concert.

 

991

00:43:22,665 --> 00:43:25,185

Um, but yeah, we're

around the same age-ish.

 

992

00:43:25,305 --> 00:43:26,924

Uh, so we, yeah.

 

993

00:43:26,924 --> 00:43:30,524

But I remember seeing her on,

uh, when she was act, doing a

 

994

00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:31,694

lot of acting stuff as a kid.

 

995

00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:31,799

Yeah.

 

996

00:43:32,729 --> 00:43:33,600

Marc Preston: Oh yeah, that's right.

 

997

00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,430

She did do a, she did do a lot of acting.

 

998

00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:36,270

I forgot about that.

 

999

00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:37,830

Um, with different strokes.

 

1000

00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:39,390

Was it You're going real old school?

 

1001

00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:40,904

I was going, uh, that was, I'm giving

 

1002

00:43:40,904 --> 00:43:41,520

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: away my age.

 

1003

00:43:41,524 --> 00:43:41,745

Yeah, yeah.

 

1004

00:43:43,649 --> 00:43:44,129

Marc Preston: No, no.

 

1005

00:43:44,129 --> 00:43:44,609

Different strokes.

 

1006

00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:46,379

That was, that was my, uh, yeah.

 

1007

00:43:46,379 --> 00:43:47,339

Different strokes and all that.

 

1008

00:43:47,399 --> 00:43:50,250

That was when I was, that

was elementary school for me.

 

1009

00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:50,399

Yeah.

 

1010

00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:51,479

Was it Thursday night?

 

1011

00:43:51,509 --> 00:43:53,430

NBC must watch had a, you know.

 

1012

00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:54,290

All those shows.

 

1013

00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:58,550

Now it, the next question I got for you,

if you were to define, uh, like you're

 

1014

00:43:58,550 --> 00:44:01,790

gonna be living on an exotic island, a

beautiful place, you really love being,

 

1015

00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:03,170

you're gonna be there a whole year.

 

1016

00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:06,020

So somewhere you want to be,

but there's no streaming.

 

1017

00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,190

So if you wanna listen to music,

you gotta bring one CD or a box set.

 

1018

00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:14,360

You can do that, uh, and that you

can listen to over and over again.

 

1019

00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,060

The same thing with a movie you

can watch over and over again.

 

1020

00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,920

So what would that CD be?

 

1021

00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,839

And what would that movie that DVD be that

you would bring with you to the island?

 

1022

00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,230

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Um, I

think the artists I probably had

 

1023

00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:33,100

on replay the most was Miles Davis.

 

1024

00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:39,129

Um, and if I had to choose one album, uh.

 

1025

00:44:40,575 --> 00:44:43,395

Porgy and Bess blows my

mind every time I hear it.

 

1026

00:44:43,634 --> 00:44:43,964

Marc Preston: What now?

 

1027

00:44:43,964 --> 00:44:47,625

What movie do you always go back to,

you know, back, you know, kinda one of

 

1028

00:44:47,625 --> 00:44:50,444

those movies where if it comes on tv,

you're just gonna keep on watching it.

 

1029

00:44:50,504 --> 00:44:52,575

You can watch it over and over,

not really get tired of it.

 

1030

00:44:53,294 --> 00:44:54,825

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Well, with two kids.

 

1031

00:44:55,695 --> 00:45:01,365

I, my taste in TV viewing has

been sort of pushed to the side.

 

1032

00:45:02,475 --> 00:45:07,425

I can't even say what I watch, you know,

I don't have a, I don't have access to

 

1033

00:45:07,425 --> 00:45:11,685

the, to viewing my own viewing stats.

 

1034

00:45:11,685 --> 00:45:12,945

It's really what the kids watch.

 

1035

00:45:13,425 --> 00:45:17,835

Um, but you know, I've

had, I've had the DVD set.

 

1036

00:45:18,569 --> 00:45:21,150

For a homicide life on the street

 

1037

00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:21,870

Marc Preston: Uhhuh

 

1038

00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:24,240

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: that I've

wanted to watch from beginning to end.

 

1039

00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:28,230

And I, I haven't made it through the box

set yet, so if I was on an island i'd,

 

1040

00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:29,580

I'd take that box set and try to get, oh,

 

1041

00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:30,325

Marc Preston: okay.

 

1042

00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:31,830

I just talked to Reed

Diamond the other day.

 

1043

00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:33,210

He was, uh, a Olivias on that.

 

1044

00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:33,509

Yeah.

 

1045

00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:37,290

Now, the next question I got, if you were

to define, I mean, a perfect day from the

 

1046

00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:38,605

time you get up to the time you go to bed.

 

1047

00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,600

All the different com or, or just a few

big component parts that go, okay, if

 

1048

00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,360

this happens, that's a perfect day for me.

 

1049

00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,200

What would that be?

 

1050

00:45:47,335 --> 00:45:54,000

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: A perfect day

for me is being with my wife and kids

 

1051

00:45:54,270 --> 00:46:00,780

in a whole, like new surrounding,

traveling with my camera and tow, uh.

 

1052

00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:05,910

Yeah, we just came from the Berkshires,

just a weekend getaway where I film

 

1053

00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:09,900

a screening and I took the kids to

where my, I grew up and my old stomping

 

1054

00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,819

ground, and we stopped by a farm.

 

1055

00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:14,670

They got to play with some calfs.

 

1056

00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:14,819

Mm-hmm.

 

1057

00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:16,650

That was.

 

1058

00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:20,759

Just so idyllic and I was able to

document, take pictures of those,

 

1059

00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:24,509

those those moments that they'll

hopefully treasure at a later date if

 

1060

00:46:24,509 --> 00:46:27,270

they're not wiped off this, the cloud.

 

1061

00:46:28,649 --> 00:46:31,680

Um, but yeah, I, I love

traveling with my family.

 

1062

00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,330

That's like the perfect days being

out with them, with no sort of

 

1063

00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:41,669

responsibilities other than just taking

in, uh, our surroundings and the food and.

 

1064

00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:43,740

The people and the places,

 

1065

00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,590

Marc Preston: wherever the wind blows

you at is kind, say that's what you do.

 

1066

00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:50,040

Yeah, I, those are the kind of days that

I like the, I think somebody I talked

 

1067

00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,850

to a few weeks ago said it best wake up

without anything that you have to do.

 

1068

00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:57,300

You just kind of wake up whenever you want

and then to see where the day takes you.

 

1069

00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:58,230

And I like that.

 

1070

00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:03,240

Now, if you weren't doing this,

if the opportunity to act was not

 

1071

00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,110

there for you, uh, what else could

you see yourself doing that would

 

1072

00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:08,820

bring you joy that you would enjoy?

 

1073

00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:11,940

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Well, when

I'm not acting, I'm behind the

 

1074

00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:16,080

camera and I get immense joy from.

 

1075

00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:19,980

Being behind the camera, uh,

directing this film for the

 

1076

00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,840

past 22 years, working on that.

 

1077

00:47:22,350 --> 00:47:25,590

Uh, I'm like the family documentarian,

so I don't know if that counts

 

1078

00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:30,210

'cause it's still in the arts, but

yeah, I know when I grow old and uh,

 

1079

00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:32,580

I'll still have a camera on in tow.

 

1080

00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,050

Marc Preston: Does it annoy your kids?

 

1081

00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:35,685

You know, like, oh, you

know, you is gotta go tape.

 

1082

00:47:35,985 --> 00:47:39,090

You know, are they like, or do they

kind of ham it up for the camera?

 

1083

00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:41,880

Or are they kinda like, oh God

again, dad with a camera thing?

 

1084

00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:44,970

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: They haven't

got sick of me with a camera yet.

 

1085

00:47:45,375 --> 00:47:48,585

We love to make like,

experimental films together.

 

1086

00:47:49,035 --> 00:47:52,424

So they love, they love that whole

process of creating stuff for the camera.

 

1087

00:47:52,904 --> 00:47:53,955

Marc Preston: Um, very cool.

 

1088

00:47:54,015 --> 00:47:57,915

You know, luckily my kids haven't tired

of me yet either, so that makes me happy.

 

1089

00:47:58,275 --> 00:47:59,955

Um, now the last question I got for you.

 

1090

00:47:59,955 --> 00:48:03,674

If you were to jump into, uh, that

DeLorean, uh, and travel back in

 

1091

00:48:03,674 --> 00:48:06,375

time, you're, you're gonna go back

and have a few minutes with you at

 

1092

00:48:06,375 --> 00:48:10,335

16 years old and you got a piece of

advice to take that moment, make it

 

1093

00:48:10,335 --> 00:48:13,545

a little bit better for yourself or

put yourself on a different track.

 

1094

00:48:13,665 --> 00:48:13,754

Uh.

 

1095

00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,730

What would that, what would that

piece of advice be to 16-year-old you?

 

1096

00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:24,270

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine: Um, I had a

similar question from, from that I just

 

1097

00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:25,830

tried to, that I just answered to that.

 

1098

00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:27,690

I'll try to rehash it here.

 

1099

00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:35,040

But, uh, to think of your life as an

obstacle course, uh, and that sometimes

 

1100

00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,390

you'll be your greatest obstacle.

 

1101

00:48:38,130 --> 00:48:38,160

Okay.

 

1102

00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:40,110

Um, yeah.

 

1103

00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:41,370

That nothing's gonna be handed to you.

 

1104

00:48:42,165 --> 00:48:44,655

Uh, don't expect things to be

handed to you or the path to be

 

1105

00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:48,795

easy, but if you think of this as

like the, the greatest obstacle

 

1106

00:48:48,795 --> 00:48:50,265

course you're about to endure and.

 

1107

00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:53,010

Start it.

 

1108

00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:54,720

It'll make it all the

more fun and enjoyable.

 

1109

00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,980

Marc Preston: I like that.

 

1110

00:48:55,980 --> 00:48:56,400

I like that.

 

1111

00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:56,610

Yeah.

 

1112

00:48:56,610 --> 00:48:57,240

It's funny.

 

1113

00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:00,420

We do tend to get in, get in our

way or we bring people into our

 

1114

00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:02,970

life that try to get in our way too.

 

1115

00:49:03,465 --> 00:49:07,171

Um, and Tara, I I, I so appreciate the

opportunity to sit down with you, you,

 

1116

00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:10,350

you busy clearly with all the wonderful

projects you got coming out, so I

 

1117

00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:11,910

appreciate you sharing some time with me.

 

1118

00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:14,550

But, uh, I wish you nothing but

the best of luck, my friend.

 

1119

00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:17,130

Hopefully you have a chance

to catch up down the line and,

 

1120

00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:18,450

uh, I certainly appreciate it.

 

1121

00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:19,529

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine:

Thanks for having me.

 

1122

00:49:21,779 --> 00:49:22,049

Marc Preston: Okay.

 

1123

00:49:22,049 --> 00:49:22,620

There you go.

 

1124

00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:27,990

Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine, my

very first Ugandan guest.

 

1125

00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,189

Uh, what a pleasure.

 

1126

00:49:29,279 --> 00:49:31,230

Enjoyed sitting down

and chatting with him.

 

1127

00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:32,580

A busy, busy guy.

 

1128

00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:33,359

We talked about it.

 

1129

00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:37,080

Uh, Dexter Resurrection coming

out in just a few weeks, uh,

 

1130

00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:38,939

though right now the new show.

 

1131

00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:43,439

Called Smoke is on Apple TV

as we speak, so check it out.

 

1132

00:49:43,439 --> 00:49:46,859

I, I got one episode in so far,

my son and I were watching it the

 

1133

00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:48,600

other day, so go check it out.

 

1134

00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,620

It is good stuff.

 

1135

00:49:49,799 --> 00:49:50,669

His character.

 

1136

00:49:51,045 --> 00:49:52,215

It'll surprise you.

 

1137

00:49:52,335 --> 00:49:53,625

I don't wanna give anything away though.

 

1138

00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:54,765

I don't like spoilers.

 

1139

00:49:54,915 --> 00:49:55,575

Uh, do me a favor.

 

1140

00:49:55,575 --> 00:50:00,134

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1141

00:50:00,134 --> 00:50:01,605

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1142

00:50:01,634 --> 00:50:03,435

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1143

00:50:03,435 --> 00:50:04,575

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1144

00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:08,174

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1145

00:50:08,235 --> 00:50:09,855

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1146

00:50:10,154 --> 00:50:14,985

Also, story and craft pod.com,

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1147

00:50:14,985 --> 00:50:16,485

possibly wanna know about the show.

 

1148

00:50:16,485 --> 00:50:17,745

It is all right there.

 

1149

00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,550

Okay, I'm gonna jump on out of here.

 

1150

00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:20,270

Uh, do me a favor.

 

1151

00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:23,570

Have a wonderful 4th of July weekend

if you celebrate, if you were in

 

1152

00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:25,700

the US and, uh, have a safe weekend.

 

1153

00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,260

Be careful with those fireworks.

 

1154

00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:30,800

And as always, thank you so much

for making what I got going on here.

 

1155

00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,770

Part of whatever you've got

going on means a lot to me.

 

1156

00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,140

Alright, thanks again for being here.

 

1157

00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:40,220

We will see you next week right

here on Story and Craft.

 

1158

00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,060

Announcer: That's it.

 

1159

00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,750

For this episode of Story and Craft, join

Marc next week for more conversation.

 

1160

00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,160

Right here on Story and Craft

Story and Craft is a presentation

 

1161

00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:51,630

of Marc Preston Production's.

 

1162

00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:56,940

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Preston, associate producer.

 

1163

00:50:57,020 --> 00:51:02,030

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1164

00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:06,290

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1165

00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:07,880

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1166

00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,180

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1167

00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:15,470

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1168

00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,910

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1169

00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:17,985

See you next time.

 

1170

00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:20,750

And remember, keep telling your story.